The Antifa Thread

[Socrates2]

It’s an elderly man you moron.

Regardless of who he is, there is no excuse for a pack of masked thugs to clobber him over the head with an iron bar....no excuse for ANYONE to be doing that too ANYONE.

Do you have it in you too repeat that last bit?

Why is some shiz in America so important to you I could show you hundreds of videos of neo-nazis assaulting people why don't you bag them? Your two videos are way out of proportion with what's really happening and it's a form of propaganda that you've fallen for. You're either letting other people tell you what to think or you're paranoid. You still have a chance to turn it around and become a good guy.

 

[Echoes]

Also , if the neo-nazis organized a march in your suburb, which they did in Brunswick a while ago, what would you do?

Mate half hours drive away from me, Melbourne blow ins Neil Ericsson and Blair Cottrell (actual Nazis) staged a mock beheading to wind up Muslims...so don’t carry on as though you are on an island under siege from this stuff.

And you know what I would do?

Let police handle it.

It’s when they don’t, or have been instructed to stand down by Antifa sympathisers like Ted Wheeler, and it’s just a free for all, that’s when I support people doing what they have too to protect themselves.

 

[Echoes]

Why is some shiz in America so important to you I could show you hundreds of videos of neo-nazis assaulting people why don't you bag them? Your two videos are way out of proportion with what's really happening and it's a form of propaganda that you've fallen for. You're either letting other people tell you what to think or you're paranoid. You still have a chance to turn it around and become a good guy.

So you don’t have it in you?

Ok. Fair enough.

 

[Socrates2]

So you don’t have it in you?

Ok. Fair enough.

Mate half hours drive away from me, Melbourne blow ins Neil Ericsson and Blair Cottrell (actual Nazis) staged a mock beheading to wind up Muslims...so don’t carry on as though you are on an island under siege from this stuff.

And you know what I would do?

Let police handle it.

It’s when they don’t, or have been instructed to stand down by Antifa sympathisers like Ted Wheeler, and it’s just a free for all, that’s when I support people doing what they have too to protect themselves.

I don't care if people intimidate nazis, which they don't, they are scum.I think some people get caught up in 'politics' and forget the difference between right and wrong these days.

 

[Echoes]

I think some people get caught up in 'politics' and forget the difference between right and wrong these days.

Including Antifa?

 

[Socrates2]

Including Antifa?

No , they are definitely coming from the right place, they are good hearted young people standing up to scum bags. I only speak of the Australian group who are mainly vegans and pacifists I would guess.

 

[Echoes]

No , they are definitely coming from the right place, they are good hearted young people standing up to scum bags. I only speak of the Australian group who are mainly vegans and pacifists I would guess.

You are a troll.

 

[CM86]

No.

How about you and CM, Bradesmaen, step back and stop personally attacking me like a pack of dogs, then accusing me of having issues when I show signs of having a gutful and look to want to fight back.

Make me...

 

[Stax on the mill]

You are a troll.

Yes, he’s either a troll, or else the lift doesn’t quite reach the top floor with Soc. Probably a bit of both.

 

[Socrates2]

Yes, he’s either a troll, or else the lift doesn’t quite reach the top floor with Soc. Probably a bit of both.

You guys are all mixed up in the head, this antifa paranoia is laughable, you're all so brainwashed you can't ave a proper discussion. Antifa in Australia is a bunch of vegan teenagers and you let right wing media brainwash you.What else would you expect from people that like the crap Andrew Bolt does?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

This thread has devolved into one lunatic wanting to organise a fight over the internet.

It has gone nowhere since posters asked why a bunch of people are scared of a group that has done nothing in Australia.

 

[Stax on the mill]

This thread has devolved into one lunatic wanting to organise a fight over the internet.

It has gone nowhere since posters asked why a bunch of people are scared of a group that has done nothing in Australia.

Ah yes Mr innocence himself. You’re like the guy who arrives late to a bit of push and shove between 2 blokes, one of whom is your mate. Everything has quietened down, peace has been restored and everyone is going their separate ways. No harm done.

But you decide that you want to get in on the action, even though the original disagreement had nothing to do with you. So what do you do? Of course, the only option available to you. You run up behind the bloke disagreeing with your mate, and belt him from behind. Then naturally all hell breaks loose, and what had been a minor skirmish which had petered out, flares up again. Hypocrite much.

 

[Socrates2]

Here's a story about antifa (in America, dont get confused) from the bbc, interestingly 'they were dormant ' until the rise of Donald trump and the alt right. They are a counter protest group and don't use violence unless attacked.They also follow Alt right groups on the internet and have been successful in 'doxing ' by getting violent racists sacked from their job.

BBC Radio 4 - Seriously..., Seriously... - Seven things you need to know about Antifa

The anti-fascist movement has been making the headlines, but what is it?

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[CM86]

Ah yes Mr innocence himself. You’re like the guy who arrives late to a bit of push and shove between 2 blokes, one of whom is your mate. Everything has quietened down, peace has been restored and everyone is going their separate ways. No harm done.

But you decide that you want to get in on the action, even though the original disagreement had nothing to do with you. So what do you do? Of course, the only option available to you. You run up behind the bloke disagreeing with your mate, and belt him from behind. Then naturally all hell breaks loose, and what had been a minor skirmish which had petered out, flares up again. Hypocrite much.

Didn't you and two others do that yesterday?...

One was even trying to guilt the mods into banning me...

Let's not pretend that sides were picked for any other reason than supporting the ideologies rather than the posts.

 

[WA ROO]

Around we go again
Is this a merry go round or an apologists circle jerk?

 

[Engimal v3]

Why is some shiz in America so important to you I could show you hundreds of videos of neo-nazis assaulting people why don't you bag them? Your two videos are way out of proportion with what's really happening and it's a form of propaganda that you've fallen for. You're either letting other people tell you what to think or you're paranoid. You still have a chance to turn it around and become a good guy.

Why can't you discuss Antifa without trying to deflect?

I have no problem admitting that people have been hurt and killed by people for right wing causes. I even have no problem saying that Antifa (and associated groups) are a very minor problem in this country in comparison to the United States.

What I do have a problem with is people pretending that violence from the left simply doesn't happen, or respond to every instance by trying to blame the "opposition". Antifa is real and Antifa assaults people. The reason we're addressing it and not neo-nazi violence is that this is a thread about Antifa, and not about neo-Nazis.

What your doing is essentially going into a Richmond gameday thread after a loss, and screaming: "Well North Melbourne lost too! Why aren't we talking about that instead?! You're all insane for talking about Richmond losing!"

 

[Stax on the mill]

Didn't you and two others do that yesterday?...

One was even trying to guilt the mods into banning me...

Let's not pretend that sides were picked for any other reason than supporting the ideologies rather than the posts.

Don’t think so. Pretty sure I only said to put you on “ignore”, as it was patently obvious that you were baiting Echoes in an attempt to get him carded. You continued in the same vein this morning.

Anyway, I would have thought you were pretty well Teflon coated against getting banned.

Precisely accurate, as far as picking sides. That’s why I had a shot at your mate for innocently pretending otherwise, whilst at the same time disingenuously fanning the flames.

 

[Socrates2]

Why can't you discuss Antifa without trying to deflect?

I have no problem admitting that people have been hurt and killed by people for right wing causes. I even have no problem saying that Antifa (and associated groups) are a very minor problem in this country in comparison to the United States.

What I do have a problem with is people pretending that violence from the left simply doesn't happen, or respond to every instance by trying to blame the "opposition". Antifa is real and Antifa assaults people. The reason we're addressing it and not neo-nazi violence is that this is a thread about Antifa, and not about neo-Nazis.

What your doing is essentially going into a Richmond gameday thread after a loss, and screaming: "Well North Melbourne lost too! Why aren't we talking about that instead?! You're all insane for talking about Richmond losing!"

Nah mate, I'm saying Antfa are relatively harmless, who cares if a few neo nazis get pushed when they are looking for trouble compared to the cold blooded mass murder of the alt right Christchurch killer.You sound ridiculous are are pretending antifa are violent by posting 2 videos.Keep it real son and get some perspective.

 

[CM86]

Why can't you discuss Antifa without trying to deflect?

I have no problem admitting that people have been hurt and killed by people for right wing causes. I even have no problem saying that Antifa (and associated groups) are a very minor problem in this country in comparison to the United States.

What I do have a problem with is people pretending that violence from the left simply doesn't happen, or respond to every instance by trying to blame the "opposition". Antifa is real and Antifa assaults people. The reason we're addressing it and not neo-nazi violence is that this is a thread about Antifa, and not about neo-Nazis.

What your doing is essentially going into a Richmond gameday thread after a loss, and screaming: "Well North Melbourne lost too! Why aren't we talking about that instead?! You're all insane for talking about Richmond losing!"

I just think the right wing extremist violence should be talked about more.

Antifa has been used as a boogeyman to distract from the very real threat of right wing extremism. Extremism that has become more prevalent in politics and police.

Yes there are violent aspects of Antifa. Yes that's unacceptable.
But when the global conversation is almost entirely about the violence of Antifa, rather than right wing extremism, then we have a problem.

In this thread, people genuinely believe Antifa to be worse and more dangerous than right wing extremism.

So yes the violence of Antifa deserves a discussion, especially as its escalating.
But its hard to have a genuine discussion when there are so many lies and falsehoods being constantly pushed.

What do you think can and should be done about Antifa? Are you concerned that we will see similar escalations here in Australia as have been seen overseas?

 

[CM86]

Don’t think so. Pretty sure I only said to put you on “ignore”, as it was patently obvious that you were baiting Echoes in an attempt to get him carded. You continued in the same vein this morning.

Anyway, I would have thought you were pretty well Teflon coated against getting banned.

Precisely accurate, as far as picking sides. That’s why I had a shot at your mate for innocently pretending otherwise, whilst at the same time disingenuously fanning the flames.

He isn't a child...
You shouldn't have higher standards for me than you do for him.

 

[Engimal v3]

I just think the right wing extremist violence shpuld be talked about more.

Antifa has been used as a boogeyman to distract from the very real threat of right wing extremism. Extremism that has become more prevalent in politics and police.

Yes there are violent aspects of Antifa. Yes that's unacceptable.
But when the global conversation is almost entirely about the violence of Antifa, rather than tight wing extremism, then we have a problem.

In this thread, people genuinely believe Antifa to be worse and more dangerous than right wing extremism.

So yes the violence of Antifa deserves a discussion, especially as its escalating.
But its hard to have a genuine discussion when there are so many lies and falsehoods being constantly pushed.

What do you think can and should be done about Antifa? Are you concerned that we will see similar escalations here in Australia as have been seen overseas?

I'd argue that right wing extremism is talked about more. In particular, I disagree with this comment you've made:

But when the global conversation is almost entirely about the violence of Antifa, rather than tight wing extremism, then we have a problem.

If I go to any mainstream media source, I'm much more likely to find an article on the alt-right, neo-nazis, white supremacists, etc. than Antifa. I get 18k results if I look for pages on ABC.net.au mentioning "alt right". If I do the same for "far right", I get 13k, and for "neo nazi" I get 23k.

I get only 80 (eighty) when I do the same for "Antifa". I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that the focus is on Antifa, most media organisations and politicians seem quite reluctant to even mention that they exist, and are also very cautious when attributing blame to them.

I think the solution to Antifa is obvious: enforce the law. Assault is already illegal, as is the damage of private property. We're lucky here in Australia that our law enforcement is not fearful of these groups, or fearful from political backlash for going against a left-leaning group.

 

[showdownhero]

Nah mate, I'm saying Antfa are relatively harmless, who cares if a few neo nazis get pushed when they are looking for trouble compared to the cold blooded mass murder of the alt right Christchurch killer.You sound ridiculous are are pretending antifa are violent by posting 2 videos.Keep it real son and get some perspective.

'Nazis' and 'pushed' doing a lot of work here

 

[CM86]

I'd argue that right wing extremism is talked about more. In particular, I disagree with this comment you've made:


If I go to any mainstream media source, I'm much more likely to find an article on the alt-right, neo-nazis, white supremacists, etc. than Antifa. I get 18k results if I look for pages on ABC.net.au mentioning "alt right". If I do the same for "far right", I get 13k, and for "neo nazi" I get 23k.

I get only 80 (eighty) when I do the same for "Antifa". I wholeheartedly disagree with the notion that the focus is on Antifa, most media organisations and politicians seem quite reluctant to even mention that they exist, and are also very cautious when attributing blame to them.

I think the solution to Antifa is obvious: enforce the law. Assault is already illegal, as is the damage of private property. We're lucky here in Australia that our law enforcement is not fearful of these groups, or fearful from political backlash for going against a left-leaning group.

You're right. Especially with the media. That was a crazy exaggeration from me.

In terms of social media, comments on news stories, posts on sites like this. Any conversation about right wing extremism nearly always has Antifa brought up.

Very much like right wing extremism being brought up in this thread.

Andy Ngo was punched once and had some eggs thrown at him, and there is a global outcry about the immediate need for action against Antifa.

Right wing extremists have been killing people, and we talk about the need for free speech.
After James Fields drove his car into a crowd, this was followed by too much of the media and social media talking about trump and Antifa.

 

[Patrick Bullet]

Here's a link to his articles https://quillette.com/author/andy-ngo/
He's got a definite right to far right bent with Islamophobia and Jordan Peterson praise and he's a Trump man and we all know now about Trump. I don't know about the rest of the writers .At that protest he was carrying on like ' A current Affair' reporter. Anyway that was America, we live in Australia.

Thanks. I get that you think this guy is far right. I'm not disputing that. You mentioned earlier that he writes for a far right website. All I was trying to do is work out which website you thought was far right. Was it Quillette? i.e., Do you think Quillette is far right? If so, please explain why.

 

[Socrates2]

'Nazis' and 'pushed' doing a lot of work here

Again one small isolated incident in a foreign country not relevant to Australia. The guy copping it was a right wing provocateur who provoked people for hours and got what he asked for. I would have squirted silly string on the Alt right 'martyr ' myself.Not comparable to Christchurch and neo nazi attacks in the slightest. Keep posting the same footage if you want to make a fool of yourself and get some perspective champ.