Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread Part 2

[Blue_Fusion]

Has been disapointing because he is a MUCH better player than so far seen - maybe injured - I dont know...has genuine pace and is a beautiful kick - plus has (like Martin) mongrel factor and smarts.

How many games have you seen him display these qualities as a midfielder?

 

[Blue_Fusion]

the bolded are players with X factor - the rest are depth.

Setters isn't depth....

 

[AlecDuncan]

…while having watched all of Kemp's available U18 games, I would compare him to Brendan Goddard.

Knightmare: plays like Bontompelli.

 

[JustaBattler]

How many games have you seen him display these qualities as a midfielder?

He hasnt been played as a pure midfielder at Carlton, he has been played as a HFF / midfield rotation - originally swapping with Martin - and then stepping in for Martin as a forward.

if you want to see what he can do against quality opposition as a midfielder - he pretty much destroyed Collingwood's midfield in the 2019 prelim when he was put in there to replace all their injured players.

 

[Arr0w]

I disagree, no problem recruiting him but one of the selling points was as a midfielder, we've got class in cunners sps and setters, pace in cunners and Dow and power in Stocker and kemp, all not getting time in the middle. The inside midfield did not need adding to. Hopefully he's shuffled outside.

He will play more on the outside, but that doesn't mean he won't rotate through CBA

 

[blueboy25]

Fabulous how today's supporters are able to witness the birth of a phenomenon the way us old farts watched Doormat, Sticks & Diesel. Just be prepared for your kids and grandkids to come at you with "Ok, we get it. Sam Walsh, Sam Walsh. He was the best you ever saw. You saw his first game, blah, blah, blah. Shut the fu** up about Sam Walsh!"

My kids are getting sick and tired of me telling them the story about how Jimmy Plunkett racked up 34 touches in a Elimination Final win against Adelaide in 2001.

 

[Arr0w]

Williams showed, in a final, and other games through his career, that he is more than capable of playing in any arc

He is carrying an injury/niggle that has hampered him

Let's just keep the powder dry

 

[Funk]

He hasnt been played as a pure midfielder at Carlton, he has been played as a HFF / midfield rotation - originally swapping with Martin - and then stepping in for Martin as a forward.

if you want to see what he can do against quality opposition as a midfielder - he pretty much destroyed Collingwood's midfield in the 2019 prelim when he was put in there to replace all their injured players.

PRELIMINARY FINAL @ MCG (not racking up possessions playing a cellar dwelling hack team in Alice Springs)
25 possessions (22 kicks!!!)
16 CP’s
10 clearances
6 tackles
1 goal

So yeah - probably why we recruited him as a MID.

 

[katmanblue]

Because few of our midfielders have class and/or pace.

Williams offers both (but probably isn't a FT midfielder).

That's what it says on the packet. What's inside has been a mixed bag.

 

[katmanblue]

Now, could we have more top flight mids if Dow, Cunners, SPS etc had had better development? Sure.

But.... a) that's a whole other argument b) I don't want to open up that can of worms and c) we're better of focusing on what we have now rather than wistfully dreaming of what might have been.

Too late. The cat's bolted.

 

[ferrisb]

Williams isn't close to being an established first choice mid either.

He's also been a bit of a turnover merchant and his fitness is not up to it either.

For the most part, he plays his best and most damaging footy off half back.

Hey, I agree with you. And said so in my original post.

I think the club had spare $, identified a free agent, who had all the elements of an A+ mid, except.... You know... He isn't a mid....

 

[zeeCFC]

Knightmare: plays like Bontompelli.

Wouldn't say he has the hand skills of Bont. Goddard a good comparison

 

[ferrisb]

It's dark and you're wearing sunglasses.

I don't suppose you're currently 106 miles from Chicago?

 

[katmanblue]

He hasnt been played as a pure midfielder at Carlton, he has been played as a HFF / midfield rotation - originally swapping with Martin - and then stepping in for Martin as a forward.

if you want to see what he can do against quality opposition as a midfielder - he pretty much destroyed Collingwood's midfield in the 2019 prelim when he was put in there to replace all their injured players.

There's no way he can play full time mid at his current fitness levels. This is my issue.

Guy came to new club with big contract out of shape. Not a good start.

Hope he improves this aspect as it will effect every other aspect of his performance.

 

[thylacine60]

There is only so many "yeah...nah" that one can take.

yep........nope.......

 

[BigFrizz36]

Williams showed, in a final, and other games through his career, that he is more than capable of playing in any arc

He is carrying an injury/niggle that has hampered him

Let's just keep the powder dry

Keeping powder dry is not a great strength of many on this board.
Finger pointing, laying blame and jumping to unfounded conclusions.........well that's a different story.

 

[Arr0w]

Kemp is almost as tall and as big as Cripps, runs faster, kicks better - he will be playing proper rotations midfield HFF/wing as soon as he has built his tank.

Could play genuine KPP, now 195+

 

[azlou]

There's no way he can play full time mid at his current fitness levels. This is my issue.

Guy came to new club with big contract out of shape. Not a good start.

Hope he improves this aspect as it will effect every other aspect of his performance.

I think if they keep playing him midfield at his current fitness levels he will continue to get injured through fatigue

 

[no fate]

That is Carlton mad supporter and future Blue Matthew Rowell to you.

I love the sentiment, but you have a better chance of finding a one ended stick than that happening. The AFL has made damn sure that he's in for the long haul, sending his best mate and a stack of other high draftees up to GC with him. It would be Coniglio situation times 10 with Rowell. Let's give up on that idea.

 

[Jimmae]

Down the track, yes I would expect him to play midfield. By the end of his u18 year he was playing inside mid and apparently at a much higher standard than what he was for victoria in the televised matches.

Are you sure you're thinking of Kemp? Because he had surgery in July that year, and AFAIK his last game in the TAC was in April.

 

[JustaBattler]

Could play genuine KPP, now 195+

no doubt

 

[juzz88]

Could play genuine KPP, now 195+

 

[JustaBattler]

It's dark and you're wearing sunglasses.

I don't suppose you're currently 106 miles from Chicago?

Carlton's future is so bright - Ive got to wear sunglasses.

 

[JustaBattler]

There's no way he can play full time mid at his current fitness levels. This is my issue.

Guy came to new club with big contract out of shape. Not a good start.

Hope he improves this aspect as it will effect every other aspect of his performance.

I dont know what is wrong wiht him atm tbh and that is enough acronyms for tonight too - I think he is being played forward too much - thats for sure.

 

[juzz88]

Carlton's future is so bright - Ive got to wear sunglasses.

YEEEEEEEEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!