Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread

[Doro]

Thanks Harks, "playing your role" just as important off field as it is on.
Not sure I totally agree with absolving all of the people you mention with any responsibility for the situation we found ourselves in 4 yrs ago....Not an issue.
Time will tell if all of this hard work translates to on field success, but I am extremely confident.

Agreed, not sure you can just scapegoat the people showing up for a chat over cucumber sandwiches once a month and not the people employed to actually run the club.

 

[Arr0w]

True, but may I suggest to a point.

Are there Premiership teams of the last three years, one feels to be built on a platform for sustained success? I don't. Just havent that Hawthorn, Geelong nor Sydney feel about them.... To me.

Really hard getting all of ones ducks in a row, but just seems to me that's what we're trying to build.... Trying.

I agree with you in part.

Dogs were the perfect storm, total buy in, but just for one year. The coach has been the same, players +/- the same, gameplan +/- the same, but buy in faded, evident by the Stringer saga plus a couple of other negative situations

Tigers and WC seem to be united, so the next couple of years will be interesting

 

[thylacine60]

would be interesting to poll supporters on whether they would take a single flag if it meant disappearing into the wilderness again straight after.....

 

[HARKER]

would be interesting to poll supporters on whether they would take a single flag if it meant disappearing into the wilderness again straight after.....

Would make for an interesting question all right.
Start a poll Thy. Good idea.

 

[HARKER]

I agree with you in part.
Dogs were the perfect storm, total buy in, but just for one year. The coach has been the same, players +/- the same, gameplan +/- the same, but buy in faded, evident by the Stringer saga plus a couple of other negative situations
Tigers and WC seem to be united, so the next couple of years will be interesting

It will be interesting but right now it's somewhat difficult to see any team manufacturing what they like to call a 'dynasty'

The three that have mostly performed very well and been competitive for quite a long time, seem to be in a position that may not allow them to be the dominant force they had been. I'm talking about Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn.

Teams Melbourne, Brisbane and ourselves are positioned quite well to build into something special.
As you said earlier, it may not come about for the players alone but for the culture that has been implemented at the clubs. Such a tricky path to navigate though, when high standards haven't been in place for a long time.

 

[thylacine60]

Would make for an interesting question all right.
Start a poll Thy. Good idea.

wouldn't have a clue how to, mate - might need provisos like we don't sink straight back to the bottom and retain our core team - bit like the dogs - I'd take it

 

[HARKER]

wouldn't have a clue how to, mate - might need provisos like we don't sink straight back to the bottom and retain our core team - bit like the dogs - I'd take it

Do you mind if I do then, on your behalf?
I'd love to see what people think and the reasons why.

It will be seen as being premature for sure, but in context, it's a very valid question.

 

[Arr0w]

would be interesting to poll supporters on whether they would take a single flag if it meant disappearing into the wilderness again straight after.....

I think right now, many would say yes, especially most of the mid 30's and under.

I would prefer to remain competitive such as the Swans even though they have only won 2 in the last 2 decades, rather the the Crows type competitive

 

[Soapy V]

not sure about that, soap - no group/club in the league has less familiarity with winning than this one - and the confidence, buzz and fun that comes with it

Normally I’d agree Thy but there is something about this group. People were worried about last year. I wasn’t. They understand where they are what they need to do. They are working hard and get along so well.

I truly believe that we will keep improving and once we get on a roll watch out.

 

[therubbernub]

Our rise up the ladder won't come about for players alone.

There are many other reasons that contribute to success and at a distance we are ticking quite a few of those boxes right now.
Yes, we do have list gaps now matter how wants to sell that we haven't, but given recent trade/draft showings (other than a couple of notable absentees) the pieces are being put into place and it's hard because it's clear we aren't particularly subscribing to attaining a player just for the players skill-sets. It's culture we're trying to develop as much as the players. That's not easy.

One thing that's pretty clear to me is that the club is reaching for sustained success on the ground and off it. Again, it's not easy....but if we get it right.

The culture takes time I agree. But this is the 4th year. 8 years is a lifetime for an afl player, so IMO 4 years will be enough time for everyone to adapt and have forgotten the wicked old ways. those that are left from the bad ol days - Simpson, Kreuzer, Murphy, Daisy, Ed, Cripps are all unconditionally on board with the new culture and indeed leading it. All the other players have known little else other than the Bolton way. I dont expect that there is anything left of the old culture. Perhaps I am being the optimist, but I just dont see it.

 

[therubbernub]

Don't need the best coach, players or gameplan......

Just need total buy in....

Yes - I think the doggies showed this. Total buy in '16 >>>>premiership. Lost that and now are in no mans land

 

[thylacine60]

Do you mind if I do then, on your behalf?
I'd love to see what people think and the reasons why.

It will be seen as being premature for sure, but in context, it's a very valid question.

go go go

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I’ll take a flag, thank you very much.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

flag me up mother****ers

 

[thylacine60]

I’ll take a flag, thank you very much.

like swagger with that?

 

[Metalcrusher]

would be interesting to poll supporters on whether they would take a single flag if it meant disappearing into the wilderness again straight after.....

A flag is a flag is a flag … they are hard to come by and even if you have a great 22 …. luck needs to be on your side as well.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

like swagger with that?

I feel for the younger supporters and commend them for sticking with us.

Ask them.

What is it now.....24 years sine we won a flag, when I was 24, had seen us win 4 live, 8 in 30 years total on planet Houston.

 

[thylacine60]

A flag is a flag is a flag … they are hard to come by and even if you have a great 22 …. luck needs to be on your side as well.

watch this

 

[Metalcrusher]

I ate the marshmallow at 00:02 ….. FML

 

[thylacine60]

be the young girl with the red hair who got instant gratification or the little fella who jammed in two!! hopefully people watch the clip and get the context

 

[Soapy V]

I’ve waited too long. I grew up when we would win every 4-5 years. I want lots of flags and for the rest to fear us. I want the powerhouse back. [emoji35]

 

[Metalcrusher]

I’ve waited too long. I grew up when we would win every 4-5 years. I want lots of flags and for the rest to fear us. I want the powerhouse back. [emoji35]

Join the queue … it starts in Darwin

 

[therubbernub]

True, but may I suggest to a point.

Are there Premiership teams of the last three years, one feels to be built on a platform for sustained success? I don't. Just havent that Hawthorn, Geelong nor Sydney feel about them.... To me.

Really hard getting all of ones ducks in a row, but just seems to me that's what we're trying to build.... Trying.

Were they so dominant - it could be that those premiership era's were at a time when there were few other challengers. The hawks had the organised sabotaging of the draft system by the AFL preventing rebuilds by other clubs to protect them. The Cats had a golden run raping the father son rule and then there is the * rumour. The Swans were gifted the COLA and all sorts of assistance, and had a before his time coach in Roos.
Now every club has a good coach and the influence of the Swans/Hawks Leading Teams culture has been spread far and wide via the assistants who worked under roos and particularly Clarkson with the Leading Teams . look at them-

Adam Simpson ...ex Clarkson assistant
Don Pyke. ...ex Adam Simpson assistant (former clarkson assistant)
Chris Fagan. ...ex Clarkson assistant
Brendon Bolton. ...ex Clarkson assistant
John Worsfold. ...ex Parkin assistant, Captain under Malthouse
Ross Lyon. ... ex parkin assistant
Chris Scott. ...assistant at freemantle under Harvey
Stuart Dew. ... ex roos assistant
Leon Cameron.- ex Clarkson assistant
Simon Goodwin...- ex Roos assistant
Brad Scott ...- Ex Malthouse assistant
Damien Hardwick - ex Clarkson assistant
Alan Richardson..- Ex Malthouse assistant
John Longmire..- ex Roos assistant
Luke Beveridge - ex Clarkson assistant
Nathan Buckley - ... Ex Malthouse assistant
Alistair Clarkson
Ken Hinkley- assistant to bomber Thompson

There are no weak coaches on that list- all have proven themselves in various ways, and most of them bring the influence and culture from other great coaches

 

[therubbernub]

In mid 2015, on an ABC show called the Offsiders, the guest was Clarkson.
He was asked what he thought the secret to sustained success was....nobody more qualified to answer yeah?

He said it centred on what he called the 6 Pillars that made up his football club....
1. President of a United Board
2. Club CEO
3. Football Manager
4. Recruiting Manager
5. Coach
6. Captain.

They met every week and walked out knowing exactly what each had to do.
Bolton was part of his team when Clarkson said this....

I have been watching patiently see Carlton tick every box mentioned above since the end of 2015....
Culminated late last year with the appointment of Lloyd, Cripps and Docherty.

Nothing's certain but a foundation for what we all want has been set through very committed hard work over 3 difficult years.....

I cannot wait to see the presence of belief and confidence in our players out on the field.

interesting- he didnt mention Russel

 

[therubbernub]

Good post B if i Know and chances are many insiders would see it similarly.



Make no mistake, most of our issues have stemmed from having a poor board. Don't blame Malthouse, nor Ratten, nor Hughes, nor Rogers, nor Swann, nor Trigg....nor even the boot-studdder. If we have somehow magically transformed that unit into one you've addressed that Hawthorn had, then good times....and good times for a long time.... will come. It cannot be for luck. It really never is.

Did I miss the fact that the board was changed? Unless I am mistaken the board that made all those bad decisions is largely the same one that has made all the good appointment of recent times