Opinion The 'Carlton related stuff that doesn't need it's own thread' thread

[Stamos]

You will soon

That we added Gibbons a midfield player, and then added Deluca as a midfield player?

But there's a difference between adding 1 and adding 2

 

[HARKER]

Stop adding layers

Your original post was about why we added more mids, while we did the exact same thing with Gibbons
None of us know the truth, as to what and who told Deluca what. Just like some ITK have stated that SOS was overruled on others and Deluca was selected.

Layers?

Given your example we already had Gibbons, so why did we need Deluca? BTW - We also had Murphy and ECurnow.
We had first pick in the draft and sell it any way you want - We ****ed it up...and 'especially' so if we promised 18 months and gave 6...Terrible.

 

[Arr0w]

That we added Gibbons a midfield player, and then added Deluca as a midfield player?

But there's a difference between adding 1 and adding 2

Different to adding Newnes, Martin both that can play through the middle, then adding draftees that can do the same?

Deluca was the wrong pick, no matter what position he plays

 

[RoyalParade]

De Luca wasn't promised anything, signed a 6 month contract.

The intention may of been for us to keep him, but things change.

 

[Gavstar]

We look a bit of a rabble at the moment on recruiting matters with the failed bid to get Papley and the narrative being built by the press that we go back on our word (Ellis and Deluca). Without SOS would we have got Martin?

Looks like Liddle will need to make some serious plays next year if we are going to take him seriously as our list manager......

 

[Arr0w]

Layers?

Given your example we already had Gibbons, so why did we need Deluca? BTW - We also had Murphy and ECurnow.
We had first pick in the draft and sell it any way you want - We f’ed it up...and 'especially' so if we promised 18 months and gave 6...Terrible.

Go on the witch hunt Harks, when you find out if anyone conveyed that to Deluca, let me know

 

[Arr0w]

De Luca wasn't promised anything, signed a 6 month contract.

The intention may of been for us to keep him, but things change.

And this is how simple it is....

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Delucas kicking technique and balldrop would never hold up in the AFL, tried his guts out but when you've got talented players available/developing where he was playing you pick them any day. Might have ended up a good tagger but thats about it. On with the show, blues to smash Tigs by 42 round 1

 

[DangerousD]

Wondering who the doomdayers will blame for this one

I think you know.

 

[BigFrizz36]

Gibbons trained with us and had a full head of steam leading into the season.
Deluca had little time to get prepared and then be AFL ready mid-season.

That's still not the point though;
Gibbons as a rookie knew he had a full season to make good.
Deluca (according to him) was told he'd be on the list next year, but that didn't come to be. Maybe he's lying.....but if he isn't.....what do you think?

Deluca's quote was very vague "I'm pretty sure we'd spoken about it earlier before being drafted" sounds more to me like someone clutching at straws. He clearly had a contract till the end of 2019 and didn't impress enough during that period to be given another one.
Maybe no-one was telling lies but an ex player is sour that he is no longer on the list. Where is the media frenzy about the swans player who had the exact same thing happen to him?

 

[Stamos]

Different to adding Newnes, Martin both that can play through the middle, then adding draftees that can do the same?

Deluca was the wrong pick, no matter what position he plays

OK, Deluca was the wrong pick, this has already been proven.

I would say that this is just as much on fit, as ability (either way, a massive stuff-up by the Club), but also that picking a mature player in the mid-season draft without a fit list-wise, is very different to how you pick in the 18 year olds in the ND.

 

[DangerousD]

SOS didn't want Deluca, he was over-ruled.
This has been stated by several reliable posters.

It has and I have no reason not to believe it’s true. What’s confusing though, who delisted him? If the club and recruiting team knew SOS was leaving, would they allow SOS to overrule others in delisting him?

Whoever was responsible for his recruitment, I think, they were all on the same page, that he wasn’t required next year.

It was a botched draft for us

 

[Stamos]

Deluca's quote was very vague "I'm pretty sure we'd spoken about it earlier before being drafted" sounds more to me like someone clutching at straws. He clearly had a contract till the end of 2019 and didn't impress enough during that period to be given another one.
Maybe no-one was telling lies but an ex player is sour that he is no longer on the list. Where is the media frenzy about the swans player who had the exact same thing happen to him?

There was media about the Swan (forget his name) at the time, and Deluca kept training with us.
Also, there is difference between pick 1, where you have complete choice, and other picks.

 

[Arr0w]

OK, Deluca was the wrong pick, this has already been proven.

I would say that this is just as much on fit, as ability (either way, a massive stuff-up by the Club), but also that picking a mature player in the mid-season draft without a fit list-wise, is very different to how you pick in the 18 year olds in the ND.

Massive stuff up? Using a late pick that didn't work out isnt a massive error, many/most clubs have similar results with picks in the 4th round and beyond

Will neither make or break sustained success

 

[Stamos]

Massive stuff up? Using a late pick that didn't work out isnt a massive error, many/most clubs have similar results with picks in the 4th round and beyond

Will neither make or break sustained success

Pick 1 in the mid-season draft is not the same as a late pick, though.
And for it to fail in 11 rounds of football is pretty bad.

 

[thylacine60]

Wondering who the doomdayers will blame for this one

it's wrong if we incinerated he would get longer - it's business if we think he isn't the future - it's sad that his life has been disrupted for a 6 months contract - rejection is a rotten, horrible thing - it's strength by us if we think we can fill his spot with a more quality player - it would be interesting to see whereabouts we were with the martin & eddie negotiations when we took him - I'm tipping they may not have even been on the horizon...........

 

[thylacine60]

Pick 1 in the mid-season draft is not the same as a late pick, though.
And for it to fail in 11 rounds of football is pretty bad.

stamos serious question - are you ok?

 

[SammaGilberto]

What I'm picking up is we'll welcome Deluca back in 6yrs time, roll out a back to the future video for him. Favourite son...

 

[Jabba73]

can't see us applauding our numbers and then 'punishing' the individual charged with attaining the members and financial result.

Yet we are applauding the list rebuild and quality of players drafted and traded over the last 5 years and punishing the guy charged with overhauling the list so it is finals capable.

 

[bluemahogany]

Deluca was always luck to get another gig after how he left in 2006.

 

[thylacine60]

De Luca wasn't promised anything, signed a 6 month contract.

The intention may of been for us to keep him, but things change.

he suggested it was suggested - ultimately it has to be on the contract - the verbal proviso "let's see how you perform" is a very wide-flung one........

 

[HaydossJ]

It's just bad all round.
Does not reflect well on the Club at all.

Doesn’t reflect poorly on the club at all IMO. There are no guarantees in this industry and Josh is sooking it up because he wasn’t good enough. ‘I wouldn’t have taken the opportunity if it was a guaranteed 6 months’.. What rubbish.

 

[Gethelred]

Dodgy by the club then.

Don't like the way the club has done a few things lately.

I do not like the club to go back on their word either, but this isn't suburban footy where everyone has to look each other in the eye later. This is the AFL, and this is a career for Deluca just as it was for SOS, Bolton, Trigg.

Unfortunately, people are cut from lists every year. You can debate the initial appointment certainly, but more people fail to make the grade than do.

As a tangent, this is part of why I was rather irate upon hearing that Pickett has been offered a 3rd chance at an AFL career. How many kids given just one of those chances would've worked their arses off to try and get some niche role in an AFL team? How many chances does Pickett want to steal from someone else, who is willing to do the work required?

Layers?

Given your example we already had Gibbons, so why did we need Deluca? BTW - We also had Murphy and ECurnow.
We had first pick in the draft and sell it any way you want - We f’ed it up...and 'especially' so if we promised 18 months and gave 6...Terrible.

Come on Harks. You post like you're hinting at some vast conspiracy, but then back off when someone accuses you of it.

Again, it's not a small time gig. You 'promise' someone something; tell me, did he have it on his contract? This is a business as much as it is a sport. I do not like the reality that unless it's on your contract they - the club - are not beholden to their word with regards to a player, but the fact of the matter is that players are cut for all kinds of reasons.

Deluca was, on exposed from, not good enough; if he was played out of position, he was done so by both senior coaches. It's a sad reality, but not everyone can play AFL. He was a mid season pickup; he was not really good enough. That's unfortunately the end of the story. He has every reason to feel disappointed, but why you're choosing to hit the club upside the head for it is bemusing.

Linking all these things together when they're tangential to each other is rather silly. While I expect there to be rather a lot of supposition to be going on (given none of us are inhouse) this is pushing it.

 

[NavySteel]

You may have missed the point though;

If Deluca was told he'd have the 18 months as he suggests and we reneged on our promise - This isn't good thing.




As above. Many individuals leave this club in a very unsatisfactory manner.
It's just the way we seem to do things and have been doing for quite a while now. I don't know why.

I read the article - to have reneged isn't a great look, but I'm sure this isn't the only time this has happened and not only at Carlton. It's never a done deal until the black and white is in front of you.

The media picking and choosing what to write about is what my point was about; to be in profit $6mil, $5mil more than last year should be published. If it was a Collingwood or Hawthorn posting these figures, we would certainly hear about it.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

There’s only one way to decide this.

Does it pass the pub test?