The diving thread

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yeah like Plowman and SPS have done this year already. Same as Oliver Rance and Papley

Plowman took a knee twice after being caught in the perfect winding position.

 

[Scanlens Man]

Teia Miles of Hawthorn. Commentators mentioned he'd had problems with his knees in 2017.

Playing like he did on Sunday (3 frees from the dropping the knees to lower the body) he's going to have problems with his neck

 

[smeltitdeltit]

Teia Miles of Hawthorn. Commentators mentioned he'd had problems with his knees in 2017.

Playing like he did on Sunday (3 frees from the dropping the knees to lower the body) he's going to have problems with his neck

Yeah that's not diving dude. Think you're in the wrong thread

 

[Mr_Moogle]

he's a handy player, but embarrassing your club. Wonder if his teammates will have something to say to him? We all recall the 'no dickheads' policy- the plural means they are allowed just one papley, I suppose.

Their dickhead spot is reserved for Tippett.

 

[bungee]

Their dickhead spot is reserved for Tippett.

Oh, you're just sore because the Tippet transfer uncovered Crows cheating.

 

[Love the Drake]

So to the *don flog and all others who questioned kruezers concussion because he played the following week. Do we now question Ben brown and the kangaroos medicos integrity?

 

[bungee]

You do have a point about Hawkins- oppo players knows he is able to be sucked in and exploit it. It is his responsibility to rise above these tactics.

As for paps, what are your thoughts about ballantyne? Did you see him as a victim when he played? These types of players hit the deck and exploit umpires not being certain about level of force. I reiterate that 95% of players keep their feet after such incidents- this tactic doesn't sit well with me!

I never liked Ballantyne and I do like Papley so it's hard to be objective. I don't think Papley deliberately gets in the face of other players as much. He's more about playing his own game than winding up the opposition. I can understand defenders disliking that he's getting opportunistic goals on them but that's not worth punching someone. Now if it was Will Langford, I could well have understood McVeigh giving that bastard a good kick in the balls but credit to him that he restrained himself. So I think there are two types of players who get frees from such punches. The first are guys who frustrate their opponents like Papley or Mills and Rampe did on the weekend by getting under Duncan and Hawkin's guard in general play. That's just frustration and a player needs the discipline to focus on beating them in play rather than lashing out (Mind you, Hawkins was battling it out pretty much on his own against the best defence in the comp so I could see why he was getting frustrated). The second types are the little pricks like Ballantyne or more recently Langford who goad their opponents looking for a soft free. Those types don't outplay their opponents, they just annoy them and pester them. That's not sporting in my book and I'd be happy to see them sorted out in the car park.

 

[Dez!]

So to the *don flog and all others who questioned kruezers concussion because he played the following week. Do we now question Ben brown and the kangaroos medicos integrity?

If it becomes a continuous thing like the Blues then yes.

 

[Love the Drake]

If it becomes a continuous thing like the Blues then yes.

Please enlighten me on your conspiracy theory re the blues.

Can't wait to hear this..

 

[Farm Boy]

Noticed that on the weekend. Maybe not so much a dive but weak in the knees. To be fair though, Anthony Miles too manages to milk a few frees.

That "weak in the knees" - is exactly what I mean. That is what I call diving. I don't mean diving specifically in the Lindsay Thomas mould (where he literally dives), but in this case I mean Miles is diving. Not Anthony, but this young kid at Hawthorn. But you're right. A better description of it would be that he is dropping his knees before impact, and he is always leading into the tackle with his head. The result is that he gets caught high. I am sick to death of these players leading into contests with their head. I feel like reaching through the screen and smashing them with a right cross to the jaw.

 

[Topkent]

That "weak in the knees" - is exactly what I mean. That is what I call diving. I don't mean diving specifically in the Lindsay Thomas mould (where he literally dives), but in this case I mean Miles is diving. Not Anthony, but this young kid at Hawthorn. But you're right. A better description of it would be that he is dropping his knees before impact, and he is always leading into the tackle with his head. The result is that he gets caught high. I am sick to death of these players leading into contests with their head. I feel like reaching through the screen and smashing them with a right cross to the jaw.

Seriously one of them will lead with the head as a bloke like Mumford chooses to bump rather than tackle and will never walk again and the AFL won't take it seriously until it happens

 

[Farm Boy]

Seriously one of them will lead with the head as a bloke like Mumford chooses to bump rather than tackle and will never walk again and the AFL won't take it seriously until it happens

Absolutely spot on. A neck will be snapped and I am surprised it hasn't happened already. There will be no rule that will rectify it either, even when it happens. Beyond changing the rules nothing will prevent a near certain death in the future. It is just a matter of time. Here is how I see AFL. I understand the head is off limits, but the old rules were unregulated, and players knew full well the consequences of leading in with their head - so they didn't. But now it is advantageous to lead in with the head - because you draw a free kick (because the head is sacrosanct). This idea of mitigating the risk of head injuries has actually increased the likelihood of head injuries.

 

[Topkent]

Absolutely spot on. A neck will be snapped and I am surprised it hasn't happened already. There will be no rule that will rectify it either, even when it happens. Beyond changing the rules nothing will prevent a near certain death in the future. It is just a matter of time. Here is how I see AFL. I understand the head is off limits, but the old rules were unregulated, and players knew full well the consequences of leading in with their head - so they didn't. But now it is advantageous to lead in with the head - because you draw a free kick (because the head is sacrosanct). This idea of mitigating the risk of head injuries has actually increased the likelihood of head injuries.

Oh yeah, you wouldn't lower your head if choppy pickett mark ricciuto or Voss were on the same field as you

 

[dickballsack]

That "weak in the knees" - is exactly what I mean. That is what I call diving. I don't mean diving specifically in the Lindsay Thomas mould (where he literally dives), but in this case I mean Miles is diving. Not Anthony, but this young kid at Hawthorn. But you're right. A better description of it would be that he is dropping his knees before impact, and he is always leading into the tackle with his head. The result is that he gets caught high. I am sick to death of these players leading into contests with their head. I feel like reaching through the screen and smashing them with a right cross to the jaw.

that 'weak at the knees' you call is actually a move taught to footballers if they're about to be tackled with no option to give off, not for a free but to dribble the ball out for another contest (but at best can draw a free), in contrast if they do have someone nearby to give off they're taught to lift their arms to give the ball off. this is now leading to players being taught to tackle the arms not the body - which in turn is causing head knocks during tackles. if you feel so aggressive that you want to reach through a tv screen to hit someone you should actually go out and play in a local comp.

 

[Topkent]

that 'weak at the knees' you call is actually a move taught to footballers if they're about to be tackled with no option to give off, not for a free but to dribble the ball out for another contest (but at best can draw a free), in contrast if they do have someone nearby to give off they're taught to lift their arms to give the ball off. this is now leading to players being taught to tackle the arms not the body - which in turn is causing head knocks during tackles. if you feel so aggressive that you want to reach through a tv screen to hit someone you should actually go out and play in a local comp.

Haha wrong. They lower there point of gravity and drive their shoulder into the tackle in some cases taking an arm off the ball to accentuate contact. It ruins the spectacle of the game

 

[Farm Boy]

that 'weak at the knees' you call is actually a move taught to footballers if they're about to be tackled with no option to give off, not for a free but to dribble the ball out for another contest (but at best can draw a free), in contrast if they do have someone nearby to give off they're taught to lift their arms to give the ball off. this is now leading to players being taught to tackle the arms not the body - which in turn is causing head knocks during tackles. if you feel so aggressive that you want to reach through a tv screen to hit someone you should actually go out and play in a local comp.

Lowering your body and leading in with your head is a tactic taught to AFL players. I don't see many local players doing it. If they do- then they are stupid. Rules in local leagues are vague, and there is more of a likelihood that leading in with your head will result in your head getting knocked off. Also, you say that lowering the body is a tactic that players are taught if they are about to be tackled with no option but to give off. Ok, well, if that is the case then it isn't a very good tactic, because I look at one of the better players in the game who is able to extract the football under duress - and sometimes being tackled by multiple opponents, and that is Clayton Oliver, or Patrick Cripps. These guys aren't lowering the their body weight. Actually, they are doing the opposite, they are remaining upright and using their core strength. More often than not they extract the football. So lets not pretend that lowering ones body and leading with the head is anything other than a tactic to draw a free kick. And it is a tactic that comes about because it is advantageous to do so - because you may get a free kick.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Credit to flashcrow

 

[Struggle]

Credit to flashcrow

Puts the Dusty fend off to shame

 

[Topkent]

Credit to flashcrow

That's not even a dive that's a boss umpire. Imagine if it was paid a free by the field umpire and the goal ump had to step in an say 'nah it was me mate'

 

[99cents]

Credit to flashcrow

Please tell fleshcrow that the goal umpire pushed the player in the back

 

[Danger!Selwood]

I never liked Ballantyne and I do like Papley so it's hard to be objective. I don't think Papley deliberately gets in the face of other players as much. He's more about playing his own game than winding up the opposition. I can understand defenders disliking that he's getting opportunistic goals on them but that's not worth punching someone. Now if it was Will Langford, I could well have understood McVeigh giving that bastard a good kick in the balls but credit to him that he restrained himself. So I think there are two types of players who get frees from such punches. The first are guys who frustrate their opponents like Papley or Mills and Rampe did on the weekend by getting under Duncan and Hawkin's guard in general play. That's just frustration and a player needs the discipline to focus on beating them in play rather than lashing out (Mind you, Hawkins was battling it out pretty much on his own against the best defence in the comp so I could see why he was getting frustrated). The second types are the little pricks like Ballantyne or more recently Langford who goad their opponents looking for a soft free. Those types don't outplay their opponents, they just annoy them and pester them. That's not sporting in my book and I'd be happy to see them sorted out in the car park.

Nah papley kicked a goal and ran 10 metres and bumped Duncan in the back as he was walking away. Then Duncan whacks him in the guts and Papley goes down quicker than a 2 buck hooker. He's a grub.

 

[99cents]

I never liked Ballantyne and I do like Papley so it's hard to be objective. I don't think Papley deliberately gets in the face of other players as much. He's more about playing his own game than winding up the opposition. I can understand defenders disliking that he's getting opportunistic goals on them but that's not worth punching someone. Now if it was Will Langford, I could well have understood McVeigh giving that bastard a good kick in the balls but credit to him that he restrained himself. So I think there are two types of players who get frees from such punches. The first are guys who frustrate their opponents like Papley or Mills and Rampe did on the weekend by getting under Duncan and Hawkin's guard in general play. That's just frustration and a player needs the discipline to focus on beating them in play rather than lashing out (Mind you, Hawkins was battling it out pretty much on his own against the best defence in the comp so I could see why he was getting frustrated). The second types are the little pricks like Ballantyne or more recently Langford who goad their opponents looking for a soft free. Those types don't outplay their opponents, they just annoy them and pester them. That's not sporting in my book and I'd be happy to see them sorted out in the car park.

this is a considered response. I would suggest that paps might grow accustomed to the villain role and start to revel in it, a la ballas. I do feel he is looking for soft frees, minimal contact that he can milk. Anyway, on to the weekends matches- every player has a chance to redeem themselves (except those suspended!)

 

[bungee]

Nah papley kicked a goal and ran 10 metres and bumped Duncan in the back as he was walking away. Then Duncan whacks him in the guts and Papley goes down quicker than a 2 buck hooker. He's a grub.

And Duncan's a fool who let himself be baited and let his side down. Which one do you think will be regretting the incident this weekend ?

As I said before, Geelong can ill afford to be losing players to suspension coming into finals. Normally they should have Richmond's number but the sheer number of outs will be a real challenge this weekend. It's not just a regular match either, this one's shaping up to determine who can take one of the coveted top two spots. If Geelong can't get players back on the park (and I mean fully fit players) there's a real question mark as to whether they can even hold onto the top four. That'd be a real pity as Geelong at their best are capable of beating anyone. If I was Scott I'd be telling the players to keep very firmly on the right side of the line.

Looking forward to Danger v Martin this weekend but Paddy's going to be asked a lot without the support of his captain. Good luck with this one. I hope you can scrag a win against the odds.

 

[bungee]

this is a considered response. I would suggest that paps might grow accustomed to the villain role and start to revel in it, a la ballas. I do feel he is looking for soft frees, minimal contact that he can milk. Anyway, on to the weekends matches- every player has a chance to redeem themselves (except those suspended!)

Paps reckons he models his game on Paul Puopolo. But I agree he will never be popular, small forwards rarely are, so he might as well play the complete villain. Fans from other teams usually just hate small forwards for being there, especially the effective ones (Stevie J still irks me for just being there). They naturally get more frees through being short in the middle of tall bodies and they scurry around at the feet of the big boys like buzzards around a lion kill trying to steal themselves a feed. They are by nature bottom feeders and scavengers. They don't get the respect of the graceful marking forward, the high flyer in pack marks, the fast leader to space or the test of sheer strength in a marking contest. But don't for a minute think Papley isn't brave. He goes in hard and puts his body on the line. He's also not a bad contested mark for his size and a good long kick. In the long run he'll probably play more midfield anyway. He hits contests hard, he has a good burst of speed and is building a good tank, something the Swans value.

 

[bungee]

Credit to flashcrow

Feels a hand, takes a dive only to find it was the ump. Classic.