The Liberal Party - How long? - Part 2

[Cookie]

The next Liberal PM hasn't even been born yet.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Can we all call the libs the urban part of the national party, the failing political part of news corp and whatever fossil fuel company is wearing the strap on?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I have no words.

It kinda sucks that we don't have a functional opposition.

Albanese is using this complete dissolving of any meaningful opposition as a once-in-a-century opportunity to still not do much.

 

[QuietB]

Albanese is using this complete dissolving of any meaningful opposition as a once-in-a-century opportunity to still not do much.

There does need to be a viable solution to Australia’s energy challenge.

The difference is Labor is at least looking for a solution.

The Liberals are pure protectionism. Which from my understanding is about the most un-liberal thing possible

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The next Liberal voter hasn't even been born yet.

Fixed it for you.

 

[mellowyellow]

The next Liberal PM hasn't even been born yet.

The following insights are worth a listen to.

 

[SSSSSS]

Albanese is using this complete dissolving of any meaningful opposition as a once-in-a-century opportunity to still not do much.

Albo needs to get rid of his PR team. A lot of his achievements have flown under the radar.

He's run a steady ship and knocked off a few wins after inheriting a decade long absolute cluster**** of rorts and mismanagement.

He's not flashy and he's not doing anything out of the ordinary but I'll take a million little positive changes over a term of selling pieces of our country to appease your big wig mates.

 

[1990crow]

Libs aiming for Net Zero seats.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Albo needs to get rid of his PR team. A lot of his achievements have flown under the radar.

He's run a steady ship and knocked off a few wins after inheriting a decade long absolute cluster**** of rorts and mismanagement.

He's not flashy and he's not doing anything out of the ordinary but I'll take a million little positive changes over a term of selling pieces of our country to appease your big wig mates.

Don't get me wrong, I give daily thanks to the almighty we don't have PM Peter Dutton, but Albo could do so much more. This really is a once in a century opportunity, but Albanese just isn't that guy.

 

[Festerz]

Geez how spineless is Sussan Ley? Went into that party meeting supporting Net Zero and now she’s up the front spruiking its abandonment while those colleagues she counted as her supporters are celebrating her failure.

Does she really think that will save her leadership? Too late for that - her time is over as it probably was from day one of her leadership. But she could have at least gone out with courage and dignity by sticking to a principle, just one. In the end she has none.

Anyone who has watched that great movie 'The Lion in Winter' and/or the US series West Wing knows this quote well:

Geoffrey:"Why you fool - as if the way one fell down mattered!?"

Richard: "When the fall is all there is,.. it matters'.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Have we heard from Senator Bragg today?

 

[Festerz]

Albo needs to get rid of his PR team. A lot of his achievements have flown under the radar.

Agree.

But what would be the point, strategically? - to satisfy the relatively few people like us who give a damn about politics between elections and chatter about it on social media platforms like this one? Fact is that most of them/us have already made up their mind on whether the Albanese Government is a good one so why waste money and firepower preaching to those who are already committed to a team.

The smart thing surely is to save up the ammunition until the weeks before an election and when the majority of people are are in the mood to contemplate who to vote for. That's when the accounting is done.

Until then leave it up to the media to tell their story about the issues, the successes and the failures rather than joining a pointless partisan shitfight. And as a poster said in this thread earlier, it's the media that sets the agenda by what they choose to report on and what they choose to ignore.

 

[Festerz]

And poor Anne Ruston. The Senator from South Australia who backed the Net Zero target commitment and one of the few who argued for retaining it in yesterday's Liberal Party meeting - standing there looking solemn in the background while Tehan and Ley did their gold medal winning policy backflips.

I worked with Anne for a while on a couple of projects before she entered Parliament. I wonder how soon before she is back working full time on the family rose farm in the Riverland - thinking of her former colleagues as she lops off the spent blooms with freshly sharpened secateurs

 

[pjcrows]

Ley is a hopeless leader with no spine, no vision and negative charisma. The definition of a temporary place-holder.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

There does need to be a viable solution to Australia’s energy challenge.

The difference is Labor is at least looking for a solution.

The Liberals are pure protectionism. Which from my understanding is about the most un-liberal thing possible

But it is very National.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Tasmania and even Essendon might have made and won a final before this mob see power again.

 

[nut]

I just watched Dan Tehan….. x2 speed and he is still painfully slow to listen too.

 

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

Albanese is using this complete dissolving of any meaningful opposition as a once-in-a-century opportunity to still not do much.

Did you ever consider that Albanese is a big part of why the Coalition is imploding?

 

[Theseventhhamster]

A conservative thesis for keeping a net zero target.

It has been a thesis of mine for many years that in practice conservative doesn't mean what it used to. Hardly anyone in the GOP is a conservative any more. Too many who claim to be conservative currently in the Liberal Party also fall foul of this IMO.

As if the case in the other anglo countries, the talent on the conservative side are squatting in the nominal left party.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Did you ever consider that Albanese is a big part of why the Coalition is imploding?

They could implode out of existence and he'll still not do a singe ****ing thing of substance.

 

[SSSSSS]

Don't get me wrong, I give daily thanks to the almighty we don't have PM Peter Dutton, but Albo could do so much more. This really is a once in a century opportunity, but Albanese just isn't that guy.

I get that but at the same time with the world as crazy as it is with the madman in the Oval Office and the continuous sabre rattling in the Kremlin and Beijing, maybe a bit of stability isn't the worst thing in the world.

 

[SSSSSS]

Agree.

But what would be the point, strategically? - to satisfy the relatively few people like us who give a damn about politics between elections and chatter about it on social media platforms like this one? Fact is that most of them/us have already made up their mind on whether the Albanese Government is a good one so why waste money and firepower preaching to those who are already committed to a team.

The smart thing surely is to save up the ammunition until the weeks before an election and when the majority of people are are in the mood to contemplate who to vote for. That's when the accounting is done.

Until then leave it up to the media to tell their story about the issues, the successes and the failures rather than joining a pointless partisan shitfight. And as a poster said in this thread earlier, it's the media that sets the agenda by what they choose to report on and what they choose to ignore.

Yeh I can agree with that strategically but I do think it's a moral failure of the modern centre-left to continually try and take the 'moral highground', all the while extreme fringe voices on the right continue to attract impressionable disenfranchised young men.

Labor should be looking to capitalise on the weakness of the LNP and go for a more aggressive media campaign in the future.

 

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

They could implode out of existence and he'll still not do a singe ****ing thing of substance.

Our voting system has the huge positive of protecting us from the worst predations of the right wing
Sadly it is a two edged sword and keeps Labor policy from being Labour policy.

Menzies and Howard both slowly ground the country down to what they desired with term after term after term of small but constant erosion and restructuring.

I'd like Labor to do that for a decade or two.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Our voting system has the huge positive of protecting us from the worst predations of the right wing
Sadly it is a two edged sword and keeps Labor policy from being Labour policy.

Menzies and Howard both slowly ground the country down to what they desired with term after term after term of small but constant erosion and restructuring.

I'd like Labor to do that for a decade or two.

Right now Albo has all the power required to make meaningful change so that workers can afford to live near where they work, he could end the horrifically cruel poverty of unemployment, he could do something about the free-range mental illness cluster****. He could do any number of things to greatly improve the nation and instead he'll do incrementally **** all and continue the bullshit. But at least he's pretend to care.

 

[nut]

Right now Albo has all the power required to make meaningful change so that workers can afford to live near where they work, he could end the horrifically cruel poverty of unemployment, he could do something about the free-range mental illness cluster*. He could do any number of things to greatly improve the nation and instead he'll do incrementally * all and continue the bullshit. But at least he's pretend to care.

I agree

He should make childcare more affordable.
He should make TAFE course free.
He should increase bulk billing.
He should release pressure off power prices on everyone.
He should make investments in renewables more attractive.
He should tighten corporate tax rules and make them pay more.
He should reduce the cost of home batteries.
He should deliver tax cuts.
He should strengthen our relationship with our big trading partners and rebuild our relationships with our neighbours.