The Match Committee's Selection Process - Puzzled...

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Am not intending this to be a match committee witch hunt or a slag-off session on Will Langford, but really still puzzled at to why he was selected.

Players always talk about the difference between getting fit and match fit, so the decision puzzles me that he came in with not a single game this year.

Secondly, some players that are very naturally gifted can walk into a first match and with their elite skills and decision making, get straight into the groove e.g. someone like Pendles. This is definitely not Langers, as his issue even when fully match fit is his decision-making and execution.

His stats absolutely were no surprise to me. One kick, eight handballs, one mark, two tackles, two one percenters, one clanger...

He didn't seem to have a hard tag role on Cotchin or Martin, so what was the match committee thinking in selecting him?

 

[Teamwork Talks]

Clarkson does this every year - puzzling team selections.
I think he is experimenting.
He also does weird things when we are well ahead in games. Just experimenting again.

 

[flinchfree]

I think it's often not a case of why a particular player is selected for firsts football, but a desire to season the replacement at a lower level under less pressure so you can be sure to correctly develop him.....
When Cousins comes in, I doubt he leaves.
Same with Hanrahan.

While it's easy to say they wouldn't do worse than some of the players ahead of them in the senior team, you still can't get the development in game time, teaching of game plan, honing of skills, building of tanks, growth in instinct and IQ, and other stuff I'm sure I can't think of for a young player coming through if rushed into the pressure of senior footy.

Langers plays because his long term replacement isn't considered ready, and to play him early would be detrimental to the plan for a successful career.
Same with TOB. Limited footballer place carding at the moment.
But the new guys aren't ready, and will certainly play when they are.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I think that you also have to consider that we have a few kids that many of us think are better than they actually are. Harry Morrison is a prime example, even though he played. Will be a decent player in time most likely but is miles off it right at the moment. I don't think Clarko wanted to select two inexperienced kids given the outs. Plus Langford gave him some flexibility if he needed to lock down on Martin at some point.

That said, I would have liked to see Glass play. Langford is going backwards very quickly as a footballer and must be running out of chances.

 

[arupist]

Did Langford actually tag Martin?

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Did Langford actually tag Martin?

I don't think so, not for prolonged periods anyway. But then, Martin didn't really do too much damage. He set them up a couple of times early but was just workmanlike after that.

I am only guessing as to why Clarko included him.

 

[Birdofprey]

Did Langford actually tag Martin?

SLB posted to me that he ran with him second half. It was probably one of the only sensible explanations I could come up with as to why Langford was included.

Happy to be corrected. Watched on TV - always see less of the game.

 

[Davo23]

SLB posted to me that he ran with him second half. It was probably one of the only sensible explanations I could come up with as to why Langford was included.

Happy to be corrected. Watched on TV - always see less of the game.

No, that's not right. I saw Shiels at times and Langford at other times with Martin during the game.
A few times Howe was against him at centre bounces.

We didn't have a run-with player on Martin, Clarko doesn't play that way, neither do most clubs.

 

[detox]

Only thing I can think of, is that he is an experienced player that knows our structures. Clarko might have banked on the importance of bringing in someone who will know where to stand and know which area of our zone/press to defend. I think this is why Duryea is getting games ahead of glass.

We have talented box Hill Mids. Cousins, Lovell, JOR and to a lesser extent Worpel are ready to be tested. Langford is not the answer.

 

[Baz_hawk]

Langford played less than 80 minutes. That's a pretty good sign of how underdone he was.

Baffling decision.

 

[Birdofprey]

No, that's not right. I saw Shiels at times and Langford at other times with Martin during the game.
A few times Howe was against him at centre bounces.

We didn't have a run-with player on Martin, Clarko doesn't play that way, neither do most clubs.

Good.

To be fair to SLB, I think he meant going to Martin more often than not in second half, rather than the "hard tag" my own post implied.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Only thing I can think of, is that he is an experienced player that knows our structures. Clarko might have banked on the importance of bringing in someone who will know where to stand and know which area of our zone/press to defend. I think this is why Duryea is getting games ahead of glass.

We have talented box Hill Mids. Cousins, Lovell, JOR and to a lesser extent Worpel are ready to be tested. Langford is not the answer.

Surely Whitey could have played instead then?

Whilst he does not have Langers' speed or kamikaze attack on the ball, he is a better decision-maker, is better off both feet and can play midfield, forward and back.

???

 

[TylerDurden]

He set him up to fail. Point blank.

 

[Dew2KFC2Flag08]

Langford played less than 80 minutes. That's a pretty good sign of how underdone he was.

Baffling decision.

Where do you get the time on ground stats?

 

[RoughysMullet]

I think you’ll find Clarko most definitely has his ‘favourites’.. pretty much any of the fringe from the 3peat.. Langford, Duryea, schoenmakers.. all have to move heaven and earth for clarko to drop them

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

I think you’ll find Clarko most definitely has his ‘favourites’.. pretty much any of the fringe from the 3peat.. Langford, Duryea, schoenmakers.. all have to move heaven and earth for clarko to drop them

There's a match committee that makes the selection to stop this very sort of thing isn't there?

 

[Davo23]

Good.

To be fair to SLB, I think he meant going to Martin more often than not in second half, rather than the "hard tag" my own post implied.

Or he lives in South Australia and watches on TV!

 

[Agent Smith]

Clarko wants to take the pressure off the team by strategically losing games at certain points of the year, hence he conveniently drops games to mates such as Hardwick. It's all part of his master plan.

 

[Baz_hawk]

Where do you get the time on ground stats?

AFL app.

Here's Langford's game stats

 

[Sixpence]

AFL app.

Here's Langford's game stats:

That's a little too small to read ...

 

[Baz_hawk]

That's a little too small to read ...

Hmmmm Imgur definitely resized that image for some reason. I'll re-upload.

 

[TylerDurden]

There's a match committee that makes the selection to stop this very sort of thing isn't there?

But ultimately it’s his call.

 

[savagelunchbox]

Good.

To be fair to SLB, I think he meant going to Martin more often than not in second half, rather than the "hard tag" my own post implied.

Around the ground, whenever Martin and Langford were in the same area, Langford went to Martin.

Martin had a Burgoyne-like effort game when Hawthorn were at the top and were playing a lesser side. He did what was needed, but never got close to top gear.

There was no need to 'hard tag' Martin, but when you posted the question, Langford's most obvious role was to run with Martin without as such negating him. It was probably more 'let him take you to the ball' as opposed to a 'tagging' role.

 

[Numtums]

The baffling decision for me is not Langford (although he was always going to be not match fit). I'm puzzled as to why on a known 30 degree day did we go so tall?

And how does TOB keep a spot on our list, let alone in the best 22? He's terrible!

I can kind of see the we're playing Richmond, send in a Bull like Langford. But with Frawley returning, Brand was not needed.

We'd have been better playing Glass instead and having a rookie replace TOB.

Trying to run Richmond off their feet was going to be the only way we realistically were going to beat them on a dry, fast, track! After all, we have no KPF that will take 4 or 5 contested marks and kick a bag.

And it's madness that some posters can't see how Schoey gets a run over TOB. One makes a contest and creates decoy leading space. (And is a beautiful kick for goal) One... I'm not really sure what he bring to the side forward or back.

 

[burton5]

Not sure why some here are espousing the readiness of Worpel for senior football. Has kicked a few in the VFL matches but wasn't in the best few apparently against Williamstown on the weekend. I would put Cousins, JOR, Langford, Lovell, Morrison and Glass all yards ahead of
him at the moment and would place him slightly behind/on par with Teia Miles and Willsmore for senior selection. Make him earn his spot rather than picking him on the basis of perceived potential.


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