The next big thing: Varcoe vs Yarran

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Yarran, on the other hand, makes poor decisions, is a poor defender, has a bad attitude from what I've seen in interviews, and for a supposed silky skilled player, misses a lot of targets. Not overly strong in a contest, either.

What makes him a poor defender? The fact that he's a forward pocket and must be?

What makes him have a poor attitude? What interviews of his have you seen to give you that impression? He's always been very quiet and reserved in his interviews? Is it the fact he's an Indigenous player from a troubled background that he must be have a poor attitude?

He's strong overhead but doesn't go as hard as he should at ground level, I'll give you that much.

He does not make poor decisions. He's got a license to do whatever he wants to out on the ground, because he's so damaging with his run and disposal. When you take the risks that he does, of course there are times it won't come off. By and large though, the benefit to the team far exceeds the negatives.

I do have concerns about his handballing but by foot he's generally excellent.

To say he's been rubbish is ridiculous. He kicked 14 goals from 8 games last year (which translates to over 40 goals a season) but suffered a soft tissue injury, missed 3 weeks and struggled to recapture that form. Still kicked 5 goals in 5 weeks but injured his ankle which spelled the end of his season.

Not a great season but promising for a second year player, cut short by injury.

So far this season, after a horrid first up game where he suffered his first hard tag, he's gone on to pick up 24 and 22 possessions off half back and been in our best half dozen in both games.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Yarran is a beautiful kick of the football, and i'll challenge you to find a respectable poster who disagrees

After approximately 0.000001 seconds of searching, I found one.

and for a supposed silky skilled player, misses a lot of targets

Yarran has one of those sneaky aesthetically pleasing kicks which aren't actually that good. It always looks great off of the boot because his style looks pretty, but it doesn't always end up anywhere useful.

 

[Silvagnis]

Yarran's been rubbish so far.

Yarran, on the other hand, makes poor decisions, is a poor defender, has a bad attitude from what I've seen in interviews, and for a supposed silky skilled player, misses a lot of targets. Not overly strong in a contest, either.

As I said, I said he's been mostly rubbish so far. He could prove me wrong and become "the next big thing", though I'd be amazed if he even reached Heath Shaw levels, let alone Andrew McLeod (comparing with other rebounding HBFers).

LOL.

Just LOL.

Yarran would have more class, pace and touch than his equivalent flanker, outside mid and half forward on Essendon's list. Carlton wouldn't swap Yarran for a Zaharakis, Melsham, Colyer or Heppell if you paid us off. Jet. His flaws are easier rectified than the ones that saw Hurley overlooked four times. Workrate and endurance can be improved.

 

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[Kong]

What makes him a poor defender? The fact that he's a forward pocket and must be?

What makes him have a poor attitude? What interviews of his have you seen to give you that impression? He's always been very quiet and reserved in his interviews? Is it the fact he's an Indigenous player from a troubled background that he must be have a poor attitude?

He's strong overhead but doesn't go as hard as he should at ground level, I'll give you that much.

He does not make poor decisions. He's got a license to do whatever he wants to out on the ground, because he's so damaging with his run and disposal. When you take the risks that he does, of course there are times it won't come off. By and large though, the benefit to the team far exceeds the negatives.

I do have concerns about his handballing but by foot he's generally excellent.

To say he's been rubbish is ridiculous. He kicked 14 goals from 8 games last year (which translates to over 40 goals a season) but suffered a soft tissue injury, missed 3 weeks and struggled to recapture that form. Still kicked 5 goals in 5 weeks but injured his ankle which spelled the end of his season.

Not a great season but promising for a second year player, cut short by injury.

So far this season, after a horrid first up game where he suffered his first hard tag, he's gone on to pick up 24 and 22 possessions off half back and been in our best half dozen in both games.

Fair enough, I don't rate him, but I've only seen the Richmond game, parts of the Gold Coast game and parts of the Collingwood game, plus a few over the two years before 2011.

Agree to disagree. I'm not saying he'll always be poor, I just think he has been from what I've seen so far.

LOL.

Just LOL.

Yarran would have more class, pace and touch than his equivalent flanker, outside mid and half forward on Essendon's list. Carlton wouldn't swap Yarran for a Zaharakis, Melsham, Colyer or Heppell if you paid us off. Jet. His flaws are easier rectified than the ones that saw Hurley overlooked four times. Workrate and endurance can be improved.

I could present to you Lance Franklin and Dennis Armfield and you'd try to convince me your club had the better player.

 

[La Dispute]

Yarran makes poor decisions

lol.

 

[blues4flag]

Fair enough, I don't rate him, but I've only seen the Richmond game, parts of the Gold Coast game and parts of the Collingwood game, plus a few over the two years before 2011.

Did your opinion of him change today?

 

[Kong]

Slightly.

Everybody can have a standout game, even Mark Bolton did each year against Sydney, or Aaron Henneman had a few in 2001.

However, as I posted elsewhere, credit where it's due; if he performs to that level each week, he'll be a very good player.

I maintain he won't be "the next big thing". I don't think either player will be.

 

[Kong]

Maybe that would count for something had you not criticized his attitude with no basis, which is anything but poor.

Posting here rather than on the Carlton board.

His poor attitude is based on games I saw in 2009 and possibly 2010, where he wouldn't put in the effort to chase his man. It's similar to Courtenay Dempsey at Essendon, and I've been filthy on him until this year for the same reasons.

There was also an interview I saw with him, Betts and Garlett where they were talking about who was fastest. Rather than having a bit of banter and stirring each other up, or doing the modest thing and bigging the others up, Yarran proclaimed the others had nothing on him. Call that immaturity or poor social norms, I think it's a reflection for a poor attitude.

On top of that, there's the constant holding of players behind play that I've noticed this year, especially at the ground on Saturday. I know a lot of players do it - including Andrew Welsh for us - but I think it's an admission of defeat, and against the spirit of the game.

 

[Team Mo']

Posting here rather than on the Carlton board.

His poor attitude is based on games I saw in 2009 and possibly 2010, where he wouldn't put in the effort to chase his man. It's similar to Courtenay Dempsey at Essendon, and I've been filthy on him until this year for the same reasons.

There was also an interview I saw with him, Betts and Garlett where they were talking about who was fastest. Rather than having a bit of banter and stirring each other up, or doing the modest thing and bigging the others up, Yarran proclaimed the others had nothing on him. Call that immaturity or poor social norms, I think it's a reflection for a poor attitude.

What is banter?

To use such a small sample size (which is complete bullshit anyway) is laughable. That's like me judging you off this one bad post. Wouldn't be "mature" would it?

 

[blues4flag]

Posting here rather than on the Carlton board.

His poor attitude is based on games I saw in 2009 and possibly 2010, where he wouldn't put in the effort to chase his man. It's similar to Courtenay Dempsey at Essendon, and I've been filthy on him until this year for the same reasons.

There was also an interview I saw with him, Betts and Garlett where they were talking about who was fastest. Rather than having a bit of banter and stirring each other up, or doing the modest thing and bigging the others up, Yarran proclaimed the others had nothing on him. Call that immaturity or poor social norms, I think it's a reflection for a poor attitude.

On top of that, there's the constant holding of players behind play that I've noticed this year, especially at the ground on Saturday. I know a lot of players do it - including Andrew Welsh for us - but I think it's an admission of defeat, and against the spirit of the game.

The first one is fair enough but the last two, the middle one in particular, are nit picking.

He's definitely been far more consistent with his chasing this season. Was an issue of mine in the past but improved fitness and maturity has seen him working hard.

It was an interview with two of his best mates at the club - what's wrong with a bit of big-noting. There's an interview up from the preseason where he handled himself very well.

As for holding a player behind the play, without having noticed him do it myself, every defender at every level of football does it. Hardly an admission of defeat, just getting away with what you can.

It wasn't a one off on the weekend. He's been very good since a poor effort in the opening round. Can't read much into GC but last fortnight has been very promising.

 

[Kong]

Yep, and as I said in my original post:

Yarran, on the other hand, ... has a bad attitude from what I've seen in interviews

The only thing I'd change being "in interviews", to "in general".

It's just my assessment from what I've seen so far.

If he continues to play like he did on the weekend, week after week, he'll be a good player.

 

[Team Mo']

Yep, and as I said in my original post:The only thing I'd change being "in interviews", to "in general".

It's just my assessment from what I've seen so far.

Have any examples that aren't baloney? Seriously you cannot judge anyone's "attitude" if you don't know them on any level. And what is a "bad attitude" anyway? Is he angry all the time? Hard to deal with? doesn't train well? doesn't do the team things well?

What are you basing his bad attitude off other then you "feel?"

On topic I'd take Yarran.

 

[blues4flag]

Yep, and as I said in my original post:The only thing I'd change being "in interviews", to "in general".

It's just my assessment from what I've seen so far.

If he continues to play like he did on the weekend, week after week, he'll be a good player.

He'll be a very good player. To quote the coach, still early doors but the signs are promising.

 

[Kong]

Have any examples that aren't baloney? Seriously you cannot judge anyone's "attitude" if you don't know them on any level. And what is a "bad attitude" anyway? Is he angry all the time? Hard to deal with? doesn't train well? doesn't do the team things well?

What are you basing his bad attitude off other then you "feel?"

Dude, did you completely miss my post above?

Take it or leave it. I have said far, far harsher things about Courtenay Dempsey, who's very similar in ability and (in my opinion) attitude.

Lack of accountability is one of my biggest pet peeves in football. It's junior level stuff, and until this year Dempsey wasn't doing it, and carried himself like he was Michael Jordan out there.

It's an assement you make from observing something or someone, like anything in life. You don't have to agree with it, that's fine.

 

[DVD Player]

Yarran is justifying his selection at number 6. And if carlton had their time again, I don't think there would be any hesitation selecting him over Rich.