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[ferball]

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If you can't tell the difference between Russia pre the revolution and the USSR I dunno what to say.

 

[ferball]

You know that there are Russian military units that are the same as the Azov battalion yeah? The Wagner group has Nazi roots for example.

Focusing on just the Ukrainian nazis is not really playing fair.

Ignoring the fact that Ukrainian Nazis exist and are part of a transnational far right network that convinced Brenton Tarrant to murder women and children in their place of worship just across the ditch is even less fair.

IMO since the war this fact has been downplayed by the media in the west and the cheerleaders for one side. The Russian military (and the Ukrainians) are full of less willing conscripts as well Nazi mercenaries and Chechnyan rapists.

 

[ferball]

It’s also worth noting that the USSR were just as bad as the Nazis in terms of their treatment of people. Actually I think Stalin has a bigger body count.

The USSR existed for 70+ years, the Nazis for a bit over 10. But its distasteful comparing atrocities and you can't compare the USSR to Russia today. Stalin wasn't even Russian.

 

[ferball]

To understand the Nazism in Ukraine you need to look into the history of why they sided with Germany in the first place.

That's no excuse for the genocide they engaged in.

The reasons "they" (ie some Ukrainians - the nationalists) sided with the nazis in the first place included being racist scum who hated Jews and Roma.

 

[Chadwiko]

If you can't tell the difference between Russia pre the revolution and the USSR I dunno what to say.

That's a strawman. I never insinuated that.

My point was that Putin absolutely has desires for a return to a Soviet-style 'empire'. Is it realistic and feasible? No. And I'm not suggesting that. But that doesn't mean he isn't romantic about it.

 

[ferball]

That's a strawman. I never insinuated that.

My point was that Putin absolutely has desires for a return to a Soviet-style 'empire'. Is it realistic and feasible? No. And I'm not suggesting that. But that doesn't mean he isn't romantic about it.

**** off. You deliberately misquoted me saying Putin preferred a Tsarist pre soviet Russian empire to the USSR.

I said this:

Putin is a Russian nationalist. He doesn't want to see the glory days of the USSR, he wants to see the glory days of the Tsars.

And you only quoted this bit:

Putin is a Russian nationalist. He doesn't want to see the glory days of the USSR.

You're clearly not arguing in good faith and you're the one accusing me of straw manning when you changed my quote to completely change the context of what i said. Its low. I thought you were better than that and you just lost alot of respect.

 

[Val Keating]

The USSR existed for 70+ years, the Nazis for a bit over 10. But its distasteful comparing atrocities and you can't compare the USSR to Russia today. Stalin wasn't even Russian.

So what? Hitler wasn’t even German. They were both monsters though.

 

[Chadwiko]

Its low. I thought you were better than that and you just lost alot of respect.

You're the one now joining SLF in insinuating anyone who supports Ukraine is a nazi sympathiser, but sure. Go off, king.

 

[Chadwiko]

Just a friendly reminder for ferball and anyone else; I am Jewish by birth and have Jewish heritage so I don't really take kindly to being called a nazi sympathiser (no matter how you word it).

 

[Val Keating]

Putin literally said the fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy

He even went as far as to not allow Gorbachev's body to be buried among other former leaders.

 

[Chadwiko]

Putin literally said the fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy

He even went as far as to not allow Gorbachev's body to be buried among other former leaders.

Yeah I didn't realise there was anyone out there who didn't agree to at least some extent that Putin, a career Soviet KGB man, pined for the glory days of the CCCP.

He's made reference to it in literally hundreds of public speeches.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Maybe if you didn't support the people who trained Tarrant to carry out the Christchurch massacre Putin wouldn't be able to use that as an excuse for his invasion.

Let’s settle down here gents.

Love the passion, but let’s not overstep the mark and attack the person, or their character.

 

[Ichiro #51]

I hate Putin and hated him when you were still in short pants boyo.

I just don't buy the spin and bullshit and lies that you do, laughably.

You can't even conceive that someone doesn't a single flying fig about who controls a string of Russophone town west of the Dnipr, and that I understand who controls those towns has absolutely no impact whatsoever on my life - apart from the massive inflation surge caused by the decison of the West to get involved in that squalid ethnic conflict for wider geopolitical reasons.

You see the world as goodies and baddies, pro West and pro Russian, a child's understanding of the world.

Some true colors there boyo. You don’t really give a **** what happens to some people west of the Dnipr as long as you can own some campaigners on the internet and ya mum doesn’t have to overpay for her weet-bix.

 

[Del191229]

 

[Del191229]

Yeah, I can't imagine Prigozhin not copping a bullet in the future.

Even if his complaints are valid from the pov of someone in his position (ie that Shoigu ****ed up massively and lied about all sorts of stuff that jeopardised the success of their war.)

It'll be interesting to see where things are after the summer campaign.

Then we'll know. I'm still firmly of the belief this whole thing was managed to a large extent.

 

[Del191229]

Some true colors there boyo. You don’t really give a * what happens to some people west of the Dnipr as long as you can own some campaigners on the internet and ya mum doesn’t have to overpay for her weet-bix.

Rightio big dog, when you heading over to fight for Ukraine then?

Or are you just posing on the internet.

You must be pretty well off too if you can so airily dismiss the inflation that's driving a rapid increase in homelessness.

Anyway, look forward to your next post being pics from ghe front.

Will you wear SS Galicia or SS Dirlewanger insignia

 

[Del191229]

When you heading over to do your bit btw Chadwiko

 

[Del191229]

Just a friendly reminder for ferball and anyone else; I am Jewish by birth and have Jewish heritage so I don't really take kindly to being called a nazi sympathiser (no matter how you word it).

You might want to ask yourself why Israel has studiously avoided taking sides in this, and indeed this week Kyiv was sooking that Israel was supporting the Russians.

Why IS Israel do leery of supporting a state where the Parliament honoured Bandera, whetr open neo Nazi units are integrated into the regular army.

 

[Del191229]

Let’s settle down here gents.

Love the passion, but let’s not overstep the mark and attack the person, or their character.

Nah man, people who openly defend and side with Nazis are of low character and get called out.

As are those like the Aussie Cossack dickhead that support a scumbag like Putin.

I'd love to know how many people in this thread have ever met a Russian.

Not a Russian emigre to Australia, but Russians who live in Russia

 

[Del191229]

This is bad.

 

[travelli]

Prigozhin seems to have gone quiet.... already​

 

[krakouers]

Prigozhin seems to have gone quiet.... already​

Mouth full of Prawn sandwiches with our favourite Belorussian President

 

[Chadwiko]

Nah man, people who openly defend and side with Nazis are of low character and get called out.

Supporting Ukraine is not akin to siding with Nazis. That's an absolutely horse-shit argument that's barely worth acknowledging if it wasn't so offensive.

It's pathetic and desperate, and what's more it ignores the obvious fact that actual neo-nazis around the world are clearly supporting Russia and not Ukraine.

 

[DesertRoo]

Nah man, people who openly defend and side with Nazis are of low character and get called out.

As are those like the Aussie Cossack dickhead that support a scumbag like Putin.

I'd love to know how many people in this thread have ever met a Russian.

Not a Russian emigre to Australia, but Russians who live in Russia

All foreign policy should be based upon stereotypes from Rambo iii,
The dehumanising aspect is on show, posters forget, Russians are a proud people, who have been humiliated again and again. At some point they’re going to stand up and they literally pointed at the red line for years. What did we think was going to happen when we crossed it. Unless they win or deescalation happens, it’s headed for nuclear war.

This is an unexceptional position for the world to be in.

 

[Del191229]

All foreign policy should be based upon stereotypes from Rambo iii,
The dehumanising aspect is on show, posters forget, Russians are a proud people, who have been humiliated again and again. At some point they’re going to stand up and they literally pointed at the red line for years. What did we think was going to happen when we crossed it. Unless they win or deescalation happens, it’s headed for nuclear war.

This is an unexceptional position for the world to be in.

I honestly think many people can't conceive of Putin as a real person, he's like a cartoon character bad guy.

He's just a dude, he eats and shits and sleeps like the rest of us.