The periphery

[bigman]

The last few weeks has seen us play the peripheral players.

My summation is as follows:

Gallagher - too many small players like him in the team - he has had his chances but not taken them when needed. For his size he needed to be quicker. Sorry gags but the SANFL for you.

Skipworth - may be on two year contract and therefore cannot be dropped from the list - played two good games, but his form has tapered off since. If we can I would drop him at this stage, but he can turn quickly - this is one trick he does have. Lacks penetration in kick and speedy acceleration.

Perrie - appears to have lost the confidence of the coaching staff - trade.

Massie - see Perrie. He must have broken every team rule, because both Ayres and Craig are loathe to play him - trade.

Mattner - has developed and has pace. At 189 cm he will become a hard running backline player. - keep.

Doughty - the current 24 yr old player has enjoyed his best year for the club- he must be kept. He has good pace, neat skills.

Biglands - plays too inconsistently - give one more year -but when is his potential going to be delivered on a consistent basis.

Ladhams - a bit like Massie and Perrie- he may have to go to allow a younger quicker player to stay on the list. Another not to take advantage of his chances when they came earlier in the year.

Enough for now!!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by bigman
1. Doughty - the current 24 yr old player has enjoyed his best year for the club- he must be kept. He has good pace, neat skills.

2. Biglands - plays too inconsistently - give one more year -but when is his potential going to be delivered on a consistent basis.

1. Turn it up. He has had a solid year but the best year for the club?????? Did you watch any Crows games in 2002?????? Doughty's 2002 form >>>>>> Doughty's 2004 form. I wouldn't delist him but if there is a decent offer come trade week than I would do the trade.

2. He is a back up ruckman. What do you expect from him. He is very good when given more time on the ground as demonstrated by his game against White. He might not be taking many marks but his crash and bang style and his tapwork is pretty important for us. Might not be the best player out there but crickey he isn't THAT bad. Lets not forget that he missed something like 6-8 weeks this year and he is one player that takes time to get back into form.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by bigman
Biglands - plays too inconsistently - give one more year -but when is his potential going to be delivered on a consistent basis.

Our ruck stocks are shizen and therefore Rhett must be retained, however his greatest value is as tradebait IMO. There's no doubt he has talent and substantial physical weaponry, but as you say, he is far too inconsistent and at 27 at the start of next season his scope for improvement is limited.

Used as an add-on bargaining chip - tacked on to Stenglein and/or Perrie perhaps? - we could well get something surprisingly good in return.

 

[bigman]

Re: Re: The periphery

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
1. Turn it up. He has had a solid year but the best year for the club?????? Did you watch any Crows games in 2002?????? Doughty's 2002 form >>>>>> Doughty's 2004 form. I wouldn't delist him but if there is a decent offer come trade week than I would do the trade.

2. He is a back up ruckman. What do you expect from him. He is very good when given more time on the ground as demonstrated by his game against White. He might not be taking many marks but his crash and bang style and his tapwork is pretty important for us. Might not be the best player out there but crickey he isn't THAT bad. Lets not forget that he missed something like 6-8 weeks this year and he is one player that takes time to get back into form.

Stiffy at 27 Rhett should be blowing games apart. Instead he plays one great game against Jeff White and he then disappears for the next 2-3. He must take the next step soon - that is why I have given him another year.

Doughty has played very well this year. Whilst others have lacked consistency he has maintained relatively good form. Stiffy it was much easier to play on the wing in 2004 when we had the midfeild to die for and Bicks, Sugar, Hart and Smart were feeding the ball out to you.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Re: The periphery

Originally posted by bigman
1. Stiffy at 27 Rhett should be blowing games apart. Instead he plays one great game against Jeff White and he then disappears for the next 2-3. He must take the next step soon - that is why I have given him another year.

2. Doughty has played very well this year. Whilst others have lacked consistency he has maintained relatively good form. Stiffy it was much easier to play on the wing in 2004 when we had the midfeild to die for and Bicks, Sugar, Hart and Smart were feeding the ball out to you.

1. Mate, you can give him as many years as you like but the fact is that he will play out his career with Adelaide because good ruckmen are as rare as rocking horse sh|t. Just tell me what would you expect in return for him. Clarke retires and they we are left with Biglands and Hudson. Trade Biglands and you are left with Hudson. Conclusion: Biglands is here to stay.

2. Still doesn't change the fact that in a handful of games in 2002 he was a match winner. He never was a match winner that year. He has been good BUT he hasn't been as good as in 2002 whichever way you look at it.

 

[bigman]

Re: Re: Re: The periphery

Originally posted by bigman
Stiffy at 27 Rhett should be blowing games apart. Instead he plays one great game against Jeff White and he then disappears for the next 2-3. He must take the next step soon - that is why I have given him another year.

Doughty has played very well this year. Whilst others have lacked consistency he has maintained relatively good form. Stiffy it was much easier to play on the wing in 2002 when we had the midfield to die for and Bicks, Sugar, Hart and Smart were feeding the ball out to you.

 

[macca23]

Re: Re: Re: Re: The periphery

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
1. Mate, you can give him as many years as you like but the fact is that he will play out his career with Adelaide because good ruckmen are as rare as rocking horse sh|t. Just tell me what would you expect in return for him. Clarke retires and they we are left with Biglands and Hudson. Trade Biglands and you are left with Hudson. Conclusion: Biglands is here to stay.

The only way that we could even be contemplating trading Biglands is if it were to be part of a deal for another ruckman e.g. Ottens.

As Stiffy correctly says, Clarke retires and we've only got Huddo left, if Biglands is traded for any other type of player other than a ruckman.

One of the reasons for Biglands inconsistency is that he and Clarke are such different types of ruckmen, that the lead ruckman in any one game differs on the basis of who we are playing.

Biggles could be BOG this week, yet get only 35 minutes of game time the following week. Similarly, Clarke suffers from the same set of circumstances.

It would be very difficult for any player in that situation to play at their peak consistently.

Biglands is a definite keep IMO, unless he's part of a trade for Ottens or similar.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The periphery

Originally posted by macca23
The only way that we could even be contemplating trading Biglands is if it were to be part of a deal for another ruckman e.g. Ottens.

As Stiffy correctly says, Clarke retires and we've only got Huddo left, if Biglands is traded for any other type of player other than a ruckman.

One of the reasons for Biglands inconsistency is that he and Clarke are such different types of ruckmen, that the lead ruckman in any one game differs on the basis of who we are playing.

Biggles could be BOG this week, yet get only 35 minutes of game time the following week. Similarly, Clarke suffers from the same set of circumstances.

It would be very difficult for any player in that situation to play at their peak consistently.

Biglands is a definite keep IMO, unless he's part of a trade for Ottens or similar.

Correct on all counts.

I also prefer Biglands' agression to Ottens' lack if it.

 

[bigman]

You are accepting mediocity here boys.

Whilst Biglands plays for the Crows and has his bum is pointing at the ground we will not be a force in the competition. I am afraid two or three good games per year does not make him a player we should definitely keep. He makes poor decisions, his kicking is usually pretty much hit and miss and he does not take enough marks around the ground for a player of his size. Part of the reason for us skirting the boundaries is the inability of our talls to take a good grab around the ground. I did say to keep him for another year, but lets try and get a decent ruckman who will play consistent football week in week out.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by bigman
You are accepting mediocity here boys.

This coming from soeone who brags on about Doughty. A player that has had 2 decent seasons in 5 years on AFL list.

Bit of consistency please

 

[relapse]

Originally posted by bigman
You are accepting mediocity here boys.

Whilst Biglands plays for the Crows and has his bum is pointing at the ground we will not be a force in the competition. I am afraid two or three good games per year does not make him a player we should definetly keep. He makes poor decisions, his kicking is usually pretty much hit and miss and he does not take enough marks around the ground for a lyer of his size. Part of the reason for us skirting the boundaries is our inability of our talls to take a good grab around the ground. I di say to keep him for another year, but lets try and get a decent ruckman who will play consistent football week in week out.

Clarke has one more year left in him, Biglands is the only real backup we have at present. Big men traditionally take a while to develop so Biglands will need to be persisted with until we have other options. There is no way Adelaide could sack Biglands when we have a shortage of Ruckmen. Hudson imo is just a battler and we have Josh (Freddy) Kruger, but he is only 18 and been injured all year. Trust me it isnt just a case Adelaide being able to get a quality ruckman overnight, it will unfortunately take time. I do agree though that Biglands is far from a superstar and his spot in the team is more by default in my opinion, but until we have something better thats all we have to go with.

 

[bigman]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
This coming from soeone who brags on about Doughty. A player that has had 2 decent seasons in 5 years on AFL list.

Bit of consistency please

I am being consistent. it is you stiffmeister who is not. Whilst Doughty would up until this stage have been in the top 10 B&F, (see comments of Craig on how well he has played), Rhett will be lucky to poll in more than a few games - yet at 27, according to all judges he should be playing the best footie of his career.

The ruck position is so important - we need to get a ruckman who will give us more than one or two good games per year. We need a consistent performer like Brogan from Port, Charman from Brisbane, Ball from sydney etc. They do not have to be stars, but just perform week after week and take some good grabs around the ground.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by bigman
1. I am being consistent. it is you stiffmeister who is not. Whilst Doughty would up until this stage have been in the top 10 B&F, (see comments of Craig on how well he has played), Rhett will be lucky to poll in more than a few games - yet at 27, according to all judges he should be playing the best footie of his career.

2. The ruck position is so important - we need to get a ruckman who will give us more than one or two good games per year. We need a consistent performer like Brogan from Port, Charman from Brisbane, Ball from sydney etc. They do not have to be stars, but just perform week after week and take some good grabs around the ground.

1. No you have one criteria for some player and different for others. Biglands is a better player than Doughty full stop. Doughty might be in top 10 in B&F this year BUT he is not consistent year to year. Biglands has also finisshed in top 10 B&F in the past but hey lets not bring that up. While Biglands is no superstar he is a pretty good ruckman. Ruckman take longer to develop thats a fact. But somehow you are willing to brag on about a 25 year old midfielder who will never be a star and has limited potential for improvement. yet you are quick to bag a 27 year old ruckman. Biglands will never be a star. He is a good back up ruckman and a solid 1st choice ruckman when given a chance.

2. Yes it is and Biglands has been solid and if given more time would be better. Ruckman are HARD to find. Every other team will be looking for exactly the same ruckman. 1 or 2 doesn't go into 16. Horse for courses.

 

[RooDog]

I think at the end of NEXt season Clarke will retire leaving Hudson and Biglands for the ruck work. What everyone is forgetting is that we have a very good young ruckman on our rookie list in Rowan Andrews, only seen the kid play once and was rather impressed, has great tap skills and is willing to throw his body(or lack of) around! Give him one more year on the rookie list to fill out even more then promote him at the end of next season to the senior list, he is raw at the moment but reminds a lot of a young Shaun Rehn!I think he could be a 10 year ruckman for our club IF we keep him on the rookie list next year!

 

[Stiffy_18]

Andrews is good 2 -3 years away from being AFL ready. He is as raw as hell. While he has shown a bit he has hardly set the world on fire for us to bank our future on him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by relapse
we have Josh (Freddy) Kruger, but he is only 18 and been injured all year.

Not quite. He is 21 and is more of a KPP than a ruckman IMHO.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Doughty might be in top 10 in B&F this year BUT

If Doughty is in the top 10 in B&F, then there is no but...

 

[RooDog]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Andrews is good 2 -3 years away from being AFL ready. He is as raw as hell. While he has shown a bit he has hardly set the world on fire for us to bank our future on him.

yer i know that but im just saying perhaps he is worth taking a gamble on and is worth us investing in for our future

 

[noddy]

Getting rid of Biglands at this stage of our rebuilding cycle is pointless with out at least having someone of equal ability to replace him.

That young Seaby from WC looks the goods.


How is J Kruger coming along & has he played any footy at all this year ??

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
If Doughty is in the top 10 in B&F, then there is no but...

Top 10 (if he is he'd be closer to 10 than 5) in the B&F in a submediocre side suffering the worst ever season in club history is something to write home about?

I agree with stiffy's point - the 'but' is bigger than Oprah's.

 

[naughty monkey]

Originally posted by noddy

How is J Kruger coming along & has he played any footy at all this year ??

played 2 or 3 halves in the ressies for the yabs.
believe he is injured again.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
If Doughty is in the top 10 in B&F, then there is no but...

Gee isn't that a bloody great measuring stick in a side thats 5-11. Bit of reality please.

Tell me where would Doughty be in the B&F if he were playing for say Port Adelaide?????? I would argue that he wouldn't even crack a game on a regular basis.

 

[tribey]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Tell me where would Doughty be in the B&F if he were playing for say Port Adelaide?????? I would argue that he wouldn't even crack a game on a regular basis.

Doughty would struggle to crack a game at most other clubs. Even at somewhere like the Bulldogs and Hawthorn, they're stacked with players like him who are just as good and better.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Gee isn't that a bloody great measuring stick in a side thats 5-11. Bit of reality please.

Tell me where would Doughty be in the B&F if he were playing for say Port Adelaide?????? I would argue that he wouldn't even crack a game on a regular basis.

as I said IF, he is that high in the b&F he stays - end of.
How can you criticise him for getting his act together, what say you turn your attention to those guys who finish below him.

 

[bigman]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
as I said IF, he is that high in the b&F he stays - end of.
How can you criticise him for getting his act together, what say you turn your attention to those guys who finish below him.

Hear! Hear! Cro mosone

I cant believe people like Stiffy are still giving crap to someone who has turned his game around.

Time to be a bit more positive.

Start looking at the players who have not delivered this year.

You are only as good as your last year of footy and your last games.