Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[bomberclifford]

Black holes simply are the result of "dead stars" and can be proven, the Milky Way and i think all galaxies have a black hole in the middle. I use a pin head so people can understand and even this ridiculous small size is too big for the theorists. There's still a long way to go to begin to understand the universe, 42.

Goodbye Big Bang, hello Black Hole

Disproving science with science.
By George, I think he's finally got it!

 

[El_Scorcho]

This is has been my whole point

believe in a diety
or believe in that all matter was into the size of a pinhead and exploded without a cause

both sound ridiculous as eachother both have their holes and evidence depending on your beliefs

No no no no no no

The big bang theory is based on all the best theories we have at the moment on how the universe works. It fits in with everything else we have. No, we can't explain absolutely all of it, but what we do know is that it is consistent with the laws of the universe as we understand them.

Physicists dedicate their entire lives actively trying to disprove the theories that support the big bang theory. Up until now, nobody has been able to show any hard evidence that the big bang theory is wrong, and boy oh boy are they trying. A team successfully disproving the big bang theory would change our understanding of the universe, undoubtedly win a Nobel prize and be spoken about for centuries for their game changing discovery.

People are actively testing the big bang theory and the evidence that supports it every day all over the world. People are coming up with alternate theories and testing them against what we know about the universe. It's only through that rigourous effort that the big bang theory is the current best estimate for the origin of the universe.

Religion provides no testable hypotheses. Nothing. Nobody has or will ever be able to properly test anything religion has said about the origin of the universe.

You can't just say "welp they're both good ideas and it's really hard to decide so we'll just call it a draw because there is evidence for both". Religion at it's very core doesn't allow for evidence of it's existence and doesn't provide anything for anyone to test. I have no problem with believers, my wife is one, but you can't claim that your beliefs are based on any sort of evidence, and you especially can't claim that the evidence provided my religious texts are on par with the evidence provided by science regarding the big bang theory.

 

[raman]

Prove me wrong and show me where effect happens without cause

Whenever a theist says "We don't know therefore goddidit."

 

[Portmanteau]

Big picture debate aside, the notion of the religious that their specific God, with their specific rules, tenets, prophets, dogma etc was the one that kicked it all off is astounding.

If there is a God, I'm sure their view on religion bears no resemblance to practice.

 

[raman]

Big picture debate aside, the notion of the religious that their specific God, with their specific rules, tenets, prophets etc was the one that kicked it all off is astounding.

That's always a pretty fun thing to point out to anyone who takes a broad approach to arguing that there must be a designer. "Oh look, a bacterial flagellum. Therefore, Sermon on the Mount."

 

[chiwigi]

Big picture debate aside, the notion of the religious that their specific God, with their specific rules, tenets, prophets, dogma etc was the one that kicked it all off is astounding.

If there is a God, I'm sure their view on religion bears no resemblance to practice.

Absolutely but this is a different argument.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Absolutely but this is a different argument.

Do people argue on the infanet?

 

[Power Girl]

There really is a God … his name is Ken Hinkley

the 3 wise men KT, Kochie and Burgo.

Discussion over

 

[Macca19]

Heres a sentence I never thought id say ever again:

The new Korn album is exceptionally good.

 

[Trewth]

Kiwi fruit makes my mouth itchy.

 

[Macca19]

Don't eat the skin!

 

[BIG MATTY WHITE]

No no no no no no



You can't just say "welp they're both good ideas and it's really hard to decide so we'll just call it a draw because there is evidence for both". Religion at it's very core doesn't allow for evidence of it's existence and doesn't provide anything for anyone to test. I have no problem with believers, my wife is one, but you can't claim that your beliefs are based on any sort of evidence, and you especially can't claim that the evidence provided my religious texts are on par with the evidence provided by science regarding the big bang theory.

You can't just say "welp they're both good ideas and it's really hard to decide so we'll just call it a draw because there is evidence for both".

Well I can and I will... my whole premise for arguing this I have said depending on what your beliefs are.

If you say evidence can only be so if science tests it to be true good for you but don't push that onto me....you are no better then a preacher saying I am going to hell because I am not 100% devoted to god.

my belief is if a book can stand up for over 2000 years and still have over a billion followers something must be there....this is evidence for ME...maybe not you but for ME....the bible Has many flaws and holes this I will agree with you but it also hasn't been disproved by science either

the big bang theory is not even 100 years old and I will doubt it will last another 100 let alone 2000

My belief is also the big bang theory is also good and as you say has evidence its great....but it has flaws and 1 BIG fundamental floor....it requires something to happen from nothing...call it whatever you want (MAGIC, DIETIES WORK) whatever I don't care what you call it but THIS IS scientifically flawed...and as dobie said science needs (and probably will) to find a better explanation if this is the best they have.

Please do me a favour when your wishing your family a Merry xmas or happy easter remember you NEED scientific evidence to do so...

 

[Trewth]

Don't eat the skin!

The green bit does, even when I meticulously peel it and make sure there is no fur on it. I don't mind, I love them.

 

[raman]

Please do me a favour when your wishing your family a Merry xmas or happy easter remember you NEED scientific evidence to do so...

You mean those pre-Christian pagan festivals that were appropriated by the church in the middle ages? Since they are older then Christianity and are still around today, were the pagans therefore making accurate truth-claims as well?

 

[tribey]

Well I can and I will... my whole premise for arguing this I have said depending on what your beliefs are.

If you say evidence can only be so if science tests it to be true good for you but don't push that onto me....you are no better then a preacher saying I am going to hell because I am not 100% devoted to god.

my belief is if a book can stand up for over 2000 years and still have over a billion followers something must be there....this is evidence for ME...maybe not you but for ME....the bible Has many flaws and holes this I will agree with you but it also hasn't been disproved by science either

the big bang theory is not even 100 years old and I will doubt it will last another 100 let alone 2000

My belief is also the big bang theory is also good and as you say has evidence its great....but it has flaws and 1 BIG fundamental floor....it requires something to happen from nothing...call it whatever you want (MAGIC, DIETIES WORK) whatever I don't care what you call it but THIS IS scientifically flawed...and as dobie said science needs (and probably will) to find a better explanation if this is the best they have.

Please do me a favour when your wishing your family a Merry xmas or happy easter remember you NEED scientific evidence to do so...

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[BIG MATTY WHITE]

You mean those pre-Christian pagan festivals that were appropriated by the church in the middle ages? Since they are older then Christianity and are still around today, were the pagans therefore making accurate truth-claims as well?

If the choice is mother ishtar ...my point still stands

 

[Doctor Feel]

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...religion.

 

[Portia]

The flesh of Christ makes my mouth itchy.

 

[BrockBlitz]

The stupid Syd does not realis that every time a fast bowler delivers the ball 7 times their body weight gets put through their front leg. If you are 5kg over then thats 35kg per ball - multiply that by six for 15-20 overs and you get the picture.

It's an indictment on the media that he is allowed to clean the toilets at 5Double Crow let alone be heard on the airwaves - "their gunna end up with Ken Hinkley!" ******* idiot

Nailed it.

I spent the best part of last year researching the forces that propagate through the body from fast bowling. We were a bit useless getting the ethics approval so we could only test amateurs. In a nut shell the peak force going through the body isn't so much the issue (for the majority of the time), its the cyclic nature of bowling. If you get to the point where your fatigued from a big spell, your front leg can 'buckle', but Rhen style, the lockout nature of a straight front leg means the force summates at the lower spine. Pre-fatigued muscles trying to support this region do a shiet job - this is when blokes get stress fractures, torn hammy's etc. To be perfectly honest I'd never recommend fast bowling if you can help it....FB are something like 7 times as likely to be on the sidelines than any other position.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Nailed it.

I spent the best part of last year researching the forces that propagate through the body from fast bowling. We were a bit useless getting the ethics approval so we could only test amateurs. In a nut shell the peak force going through the body isn't so much the issue (for the majority of the time), its the cyclic nature of bowling. If you get to the point where your fatigued from a big spell, your front leg can 'buckle', but Rhen style, the lockout nature of a straight front leg means the force summates at the lower spine. Pre-fatigued muscles trying to support this region do a shiet job - this is when blokes get stress fractures, torn hammy's etc. To be perfectly honest I'd never recommend fast bowling if you can help it....FB are something like 7 times as likely to be on the sidelines than any other position.

Do you work in sports science or are you studying it at the moment BB??

 

[BrockBlitz]

Do you work in sports science or are you studying it at the moment BB??

Sports Engineer. Finishing that bad boy at 5pm tomorrow

 

[El_Scorcho]

All my mates are fast bowlers and i'm a middle order bat and i've never had an injury in my life and they are basically constantly injured.

Empirical evidence for you

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Sports Engineer. Finishing that bad boy at 5pm tomorrow

I know what an electrical / electronic / chemical /mechanical / civil / aeronautical engineer is but what is a sports engineer? How is that different to what a sports scientist does? So your undergraduate days are almost over?

 

[BrockBlitz]

I know what an electrical / electronic / chemical /mechanical / civil / aeronautical engineer is but what is a sports engineer? How is that different to what a sports scientist does? So your undergraduate days are almost over?

I get asked this a lot. I would describe it as 3 parts engineering, 1 part sports science. I can get a job as an engineer primarily, however I have some cross over to sports science stuff. So I did all the maths, physics, coding type stuff you get from eng and the basic physiology, anatomy , biomechanics etc. If I were to describe what I'd most likely do in industry its athlete instrumentation and analysis and development of equipment. So stuff like what we saw butch with all the little balls and cameras, the guy running that guest lectured for us a couple times.

It's a pretty new, niche thing - not too many jobs around for graduates. Guys I studied with (I took a while) are now:
1. designing a test for fielding sports, testing reaction times accuracy etc
2. PHD in spine testing techniques (cadavers and other fun stuff)
3. PHD testing hiking shoes for the army to find out which ones they should get people to use
4. AIS doing what ever is necessary, I think he is mostly working with kayakers
5-15: engineering jobs, further study, PT and a couple I've lost contact with.

The anti gravity treadmill and those sorts of innovations is a good generalised example of what were attempt to do...

If that doesn't do it; this place I imagine you especially would have a field day if you get onto the journals. http://www.sportsengineering.org/journal/archive-of-previous-journals/

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Thanks for the follow up BrockBlitz . What are job prospects like in Oz, ie the opportunities to use all your study? How close or much crossover do you have with the bio engineering field? Eg the guys building those contraptions that are making spinal injury victims walk again with the use of machinery strapped onto to their backs.

Am I right in saying in your field of work, you are more likely to design and build equipment and develop software than do the analytical stuff from the data collected?

Anyway good to know, I can pick the brains of you and Power Freak2008 re the training and sports science stuff the club is doing.