The Reverse Coleman

[BLPC08]

Its all well to beat up on Firrito and Gibson, but who else have the Kangas got? Shannon Watt isn't good enough and the only name I can think of in the ressies is Lachlan Hansen, and he hasn't got a game this year.

 

[wallyt99]

No Hawks on there?

Considering our backline is supposed to be our weakest link?

A backline that has leaked the fourth lowest amount all year?



Hmmmmm.

 

[Gopies 2002]

The list doesn't even make much sense. Some are full backs who are more likely to have goals kicked against them. Paddy Ryder players mostly at CHB.

Personally, considering the players Brown has played on, I think Brown has doen a terrific job. Forwards are going to kick goals and full forwards generally kick most of them.

 

[dtrainium]

is a complete nonsense in today's football.

Glass took Lloyd on for a bit of last saturday's game and didn't concede a goal - did that mean he outplayed him - absolutley not - lloyd just played up the ground.

you could also say that a player conceding 4 goals had a win - if he won all of the one-on-one contests but concedes a few by running off his man to close down someone running into goal and handballing over the top


10 years ago when you have stay at home fullforwards the reverse coleman would have mean something

Well then really the Reverse Coleman only means as much as the Coleman Medal for the same reasons you have mentioned.

The Reverse Coleman doesn't show stats for helping out a teamate (defensive assist) the same as the Coleman doesn't show scoring assists. It is merely a stat and how much relevence you guys place on it is up to you, but it is the Reverse Coleman which really follows the same rules as the Coleman, except backwards.

 

[master bate]

No Hawks on there?

Considering our backline is supposed to be our weakest link?

A backline that has leaked the fourth lowest amount all year?

Hmmmmm.

Those two statements can both be true, Hawthorn do have one of the best defensive midfield pressure (the zone) so the fact you have not conceded points doesn't mean it is all your backline.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

The list doesn't even make much sense. Some are full backs who are more likely to have goals kicked against them. Paddy Ryder players mostly at CHB.

Personally, considering the players Brown has played on, I think Brown has doen a terrific job. Forwards are going to kick goals and full forwards generally kick most of them.

Buddy kicked 8 of his 9 goals on Ryder. That doesn't help his average.

 

[sharpie]

Buddy kicked 8 of his 9 goals on Ryder. That doesn't help his average.

no one has kicked a goal on paul haselby this year - give him the anti-coleman

 

[Last Line Hero]

is a complete nonsense in today's football.

Glass took Lloyd on for a bit of last saturday's game and didn't concede a goal - did that mean he outplayed him - absolutley not - lloyd just played up the ground.

you could also say that a player conceding 4 goals had a win - if he won all of the one-on-one contests but concedes a few by running off his man to close down someone running into goal and handballing over the top


10 years ago when you have stay at home fullforwards the reverse coleman would have mean something

Pretty much sums up why Glass has been AA the last 2 years. Which isn't right.

 

[Jeremias]

Completely meaningless statistic in reality.

I can't help but think where poor Paddy Ryder will be on that list after Saturday if he is played on Fev...

 

[FIGJAM]

This might also shut up a few Collingwood supporters about Nathan Brown (still doing great for a second year player, but some had him AA ffs).

What the ____ are you talking about??

 

[eyeofthetiger]

kelvin moore clearly must be the young back in the comp than gets the best kp forward every week and is no were to be seen on that list.

 

[TassieSaint]

What the ____ are you talking about??

There was a thread on the main board a couple of weeks ago, do a search if you want. Only a couple of Pies supporters agreed from memory, not trying to say you all think he should be.

 

[Bollox]

Leo is on fire this season...kicked at least one maybe even two himself to compensate for a cpl of shockers.

 

[Ron The Bear]

A few contenders for the other backman's award, the 'Carter'...

Player                M G   Avg
--------------------------------
Will Thursfield      33 0  -
Josh Gibson          32 0  -
Chris Johnson        24 0  -
Luke McGuane         23 0  -
Alipate Carlile      22 0  -
James Frawley        16 0  -
Zac Dawson           14 0  -
Michael Jamison      13 0  -
Matthew Ferguson     12 0  -
David Mackay         12 0  -
...
Dale Morris          74 1 0.0135
Nathan Carroll       69 1 0.0145
Simon Prestigiacomo 193 3 0.0155
Bret Thornton       118 2 0.0169
Matthew Egan         59 1 0.0169
Daniel Bell          56 1 0.0179
Andrew Raines        53 1 0.0189
Stephen Gilham       41 1 0.0244

 

[wce4premiership]

It's interesting to note that this hasn't been glass' best season either.

A few people have been bagging him.

 

[Last Line Hero]

It's interesting to note that this hasn't been glass' best season either.

A few people have been bagging him.

Deservedly so. He's been shithouse.

 

[roostersgal4eva]

Its nonsense.. i love it when a FF is played a bit more up the ground (such as Pav) and people use that to say "he was getting killed in attack so he had to chase kicks up the ground!" its just a nonsense.

agree

I also glad 10 stopped using that gone cold rubbish - they use it on a key forward when it was in the oppostions foward line for 15-20 min.

That driver me insance

 

[alfiiee]

This might also shut up a few Collingwood supporters about Nathan Brown (still doing great for a second year player, but some had him AA ffs).

He is only a First year player, hes played every game this year, good on him he will be a champ.

 

[Crow-mo]

Deservedly so. He's been shithouse.

have you got your own 'special' statistics for this one too?

 

[Last Line Hero]

have you got your own 'special' statistics for this one too?

No, it's written in the OP.

(sigh) Another disappointing post by Crow- Mo. Mr. Swing and a Miss when it comes to sarcastic humour.

As long as he amuses himself I guess.

 

[Mofra]

Glass & Lake are near the top of the list for spoils, and both take the best opposition backman, and both have been playing (in Lake's case, until recently) without a real CHB. Scarlett without Egan playing also desreve praise.

 

[The 747]

No Hawks on there?

Considering our backline is supposed to be our weakest link?

A backline that has leaked the fourth lowest amount all year?



Hmmmmm.

On behalf of Bigfooty I apologise for this thread not mentioning how awesome Hawthorn are.

 

[summerthebat]

I'd love to see if anyone had any meaningful stats on the very best defenders, anywhere I can find them?

Be interested to see how Luke McPharlin is going, he is having a very good season, kept Brown to a point and 4 disposals when he moved to him for the 2nd half last week and kept Fevola to a goal, he is gathered it a fair bit himself.

 

[Last Line Hero]

Glass & Lake are near the top of the list for spoils, and both take the best opposition backman, and both have been playing (in Lake's case, until recently) without a real CHB. Scarlett without Egan playing also desreve praise.

Neither does:
Firrito
Merrett
Thursfield
Carroll

Nor has Glass been taking the best forward every week either.

 

[wce4premiership]

Neither does:
Firrito
Merrett
Thursfield
Carroll

Nor has Glass been taking the best forward every week either.

You don't need to follow these threads putting glass down whenever you get the chance.

Everybody knows your opinion.