Tom Boyd

[Bokonon]

Ahhhh, the smell of fresh Noob in the morning.

You have a lot to learn about bigfooty my young Padawan.

Methinks you presume too much

 

[sr36]

Out of all the number 1 picks though how many have turned out to be legitimate superstars?

Riewoldt
Hodge
Goddard
with a rising Weitering a possible

so not much difference between pick 1, 2 and 3 these days pretty much. Could have got Petracca sure, but then again the Dogs could have gotten Ollie Wines rather then Jackson Macrae in 2011 but not sure they are banging their heads against the wall about that either. Paddy will do ok, but when you come into a club and are being measured up againt and all time great in Nick Riewoldt it is hard for anyone to look good I dare say. Though I sure like the thought of him learning from Roo, it will only do him well in the future and if he can get his tank even half the size of Nicks then he will be a scary prospect in future

I agree with all of that, but I still think that predominately mark and kick forwards are far less important than they used to be and that clubs pay too much for them.

Any tall forward with half a chance of making it gets selected in the first round. Without looking at any stats, I'd be willing to bet that the miss rate when drafting tall forwards in the first round is far higher than for any other position on the ground. Sam Day for example was drafted Pick 3, coming out of a junior career with consistent single figure possession games and stuff all goals.

The way I see it, McCartin, Boyd and Patton, as predominately mark and kick forwards, are less of a sure thing than many others in their draft years and also have a lower ceiling of potential. Thus I think they were overpriced.

 

[Defacto]

Any afl player who frequents ******* Cloud nine you should be concerned about. A year off just makes it worse...

You're right. We should rush him off to thailand... oh wait.

 

[joop]

Cant read?

For a mod you sure are stupid. We're not paying his salary, not all of it, not part of it. None of it.
Can't read?

 

[joop]

but, he's no Jack Billings....

Hopefully Jack can start headbutting the ball into the crowd to justify his wage.
I wonder when the lols will stop with boyd, my guess is the next time he's gifted some goals over the back in the goal square so doggies supports can gloat about the 'bags' he's kicked.

 

[Dogsman16]

Hopefully Jack can start headbutting the ball into the crowd to justify his wage.
I wonder when the lols will stop with boyd, my guess is the next time he's gifted some goals over the back in the goal square so doggies supports can gloat about the 'bags' he's kicked.

Least he has the midfield to make him look good, unlike your inept squad.

McCartin might be the next coming of Wayne Carey but with your midfield it won't even matter.

 

[Pykie]

Any afl player who frequents ******* Cloud nine you should be concerned about. A year off just makes it worse...

You do realise Libba passed out almost directly out the front of Cloud Nine don't you?

 

[Adam H]

You do realise Libba passed out almost directly out the front of Cloud Nine don't you?

Doesn't count apparently.

 

[AFLOnline]

I agree with all of that, but I still think that predominately mark and kick forwards are far less important than they used to be and that clubs pay too much for them.

Any tall forward with half a chance of making it gets selected in the first round. Without looking at any stats, I'd be willing to bet that the miss rate when drafting tall forwards in the first round is far higher than for any other position on the ground. Sam Day for example was drafted Pick 3, coming out of a junior career with consistent single figure possession games and stuff all goals.

The way I see it, McCartin, Boyd and Patton, as predominately mark and kick forwards, are less of a sure thing than many others in their draft years and also have a lower ceiling of potential. Thus I think they were overpriced.

What about Hogan?

 

[Tulip]

I think the Dogs decision to go after Boyd was the right move. Wether he will be the gun that they hope we dont yet know, but they were in need of KPF and they went out and got the number 1 draft pick KPF.
The fact that they are still playing good football and Boyd isnt important to their chances of winning is more a sign of their lists strengths and how good they are playing.

There's a genuine confidence about the Dogs, and that was helped by going out and getting Boyd.

 

[Bald]

You're right. We should rush him off to thailand... oh wait.

I have zero words. As a bulldogs supporter there is no way I'm going to sit here and bag out Carlisle while we have Libba on our list who has a history of misdemeanours. All I'll say is thankfully (and hopefully) he has cleaned up his ways, he is playing ripper football, if that's a sign for things to come with these sorts of situations then St. Kilda will be a scary prospect next year.

Seriously though, stop with the shitfest between St Kilda and the Dogs.

 

[dewah07]

for the record, yes Liberatore was dealt with and has a strike against his name. I find it quite cute that its ok for some to make comments about players from other clubs yet they get upset when someone fires back,

Perhaps you might try taking things a little more lighthearted without getting so wound up over what gets typed on BigFooty. It might save you the headache or two.

i just didn't expect a mod to act that way on the main board. do it on your own board or the bay, i feel thats fine but to act like you did on the main board while being a mod is pretty average

 

[dewah07]

I have zero words. As a bulldogs supporter there is no way I'm going to sit here and bag out Carlisle while we have Libba on our list who has a history of misdemeanours. All I'll say is thankfully (and hopefully) he has cleaned up his ways, he is playing ripper football, if that's a sign for things to come with these sorts of situations then St. Kilda will be a scary prospect next year.

Seriously though, stop with the shitfest between St Kilda and the Dogs.

agreed, theirs so many other clubs we should be angry at. if anything dogs and saints fans should act the opposite to each other.

 

[Sedat!]

Sam Day for example was drafted Pick 3, coming out of a junior career with consistent single figure possession games and stuff all goals.

Scotty Clayton 'athletic tall' special. See also Tim Walsh, Jesse Wells, Liam Jones, Jarrad Grant, Tom Williams, Andrejs Everitt, etc..

 

[_Mike_]

For a mod you sure are stupid. We're not paying his salary, not all of it, not part of it. None of it.
Can't read?

classy.. resorting to insults now..

my info was taken from the AFL website

In a Twitter Q&A on Wednesday afternoon, Saints CEO Matt Finnis told fans he believed the club would only have to pay part of Carlisle's 2016 salary
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-...o-pay-suspended-carlisles-full-salary-in-2016

Should I resort to your immature level and insult you?

 

[sr36]

Scotty Clayton 'athletic tall' special. See also Tim Walsh, Jesse Wells, Liam Jones, Jarrad Grant, Tom Williams, Andrejs Everitt, etc..

LOL - I hope he's overcome that fetish.

 

[_Mike_]

i just didn't expect a mod to act that way on the main board. do it on your own board or the bay, i feel thats fine but to act like you did on the main board while being a mod is pretty average

again, it goes back to my point that some are quite happy to sling mud at other clubs/players yet cant handle it when it's reciprocated. My comment was primarily directed at the poster I responded to. I dont particularly care if you agree or disagree, but get some perspective. There are more important things to concern yourself with over a comment

 

[joop]

classy.. resorting to insults now..

my info was taken from the AFL website

In a Twitter Q&A on Wednesday afternoon, Saints CEO Matt Finnis told fans he believed the club would only have to pay part of Carlisle's 2016 salary
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-01-...o-pay-suspended-carlisles-full-salary-in-2016

Should I resort to your immature level and insult you?

Sorry I don't live on the internet reading every bit of info so I can trump someone. Well done, you are indeed correct.

 

[joop]

again, it goes back to my point that some are quite happy to sling mud at other clubs/players yet cant handle it when it's reciprocated. My comment was primarily directed at the poster I responded to. I dont particularly care if you agree or disagree, but get some perspective. There are more important things to concern yourself with over a comment

So you use someone's drug problem to have a crack at specific posters do you? Classy.

 

[joop]

Least he has the midfield to make him look good, unlike your inept squad.

McCartin might be the next coming of Wayne Carey but with your midfield it won't even matter.

Unless he gets the ball spoon fed to him like he has previously he'll never look good.

 

[Dogsman16]

Unless he gets the ball spoon fed to him like he has previously he'll never look good.

Whilst we haven't really found out if he can create his own opportunities, good chances are that he will be spoon fed the ball for the majority of his career. Its not like we don't have the midfield capable of giving plenty of opportunities both in terms of quality and quantity.

 

[joop]

Whilst we haven't really found out if he can create his own opportunities, good chances are that he will be spoon fed the ball for the majority of his career. Its not like we don't have the midfield capable of giving plenty of opportunities both in terms of quality and quantity.

Very true, but he's had that delivery so far in his career and how's he made it all look?

 

[TiAn_]

So many Saints supporters in this and the Toby McLean thread.

I've said this before, but Boyd and McCartin are apples and oranges. As of round 8 in their second seasons:

Boyd: 17 games, 18 goals, 6.8 disposals, 2.8 marks (1 contested & 1.3 I50), 2.3 hitouts, 1.5 tackles, 8 clearances
McCartin:10 games, 7 goals, 8.6 disposals, 4.3 marks (1.2 contested and 1.4 I50), 0 hitouts, 1.2 tackles, 0 clearances

Boyd spends a fair amount of time playing on the ball as a ruckman (hence the hitouts and clearances), whilst McCartin plays exclusively as a forward. McCartin is a better leading forward than Boyd and more mobile around the ground at this stage (he's closer in height to Stringer than Boyd), whilst Boyd tends to stay deeper when forward. This might explain why Boyd has the edge in goals kicked.

Boyd will make his bones as a Tippett/Dixon style forward/ruck (both on ~ $800k, although quite clearly better right now) whilst McCartin is more in the Taylor Walker/Darling mould. Although ostensibly forwards, they have very different roles and KPIs and a comparison of the two will always be of limited utility.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Least he has the midfield to make him look good, unlike your inept squad.

McCartin might be the next coming of Wayne Carey but with your midfield it won't even matter.

I think that's why St Kilda fans love getting stuck into Boyd, they're hardly going to want to compare the young groups as a whole are they?

 

[Dogsman16]

Very true, but he's had that delivery so far in his career and how's he made it all look?

I think that having a youngish ruck squad has hurt Tom's forward development a fair bit. He's had to do a lot of ruck work and it tires him. Not to mention he has lost a fair bit of strength because of the need to increase his aerobic capacity.

To be honest too, I am a big Redpath fan. I like what Jack offers over Tom at this stage. I think question marks will linger about about Tom until they learn to play well together or if Boyd grabs the forward/ruck role Roughead currently occupies.

I haven't been a huge supporter of the Boyd deal I really am 50/50 at this stage. To me it comes down to whether Boyd actively contributes to us winning a premiership. I don't care if he kick 100 goals every season for his whole career. To me it boils purely down to whether we win a premiership with our current young squad forming the nucleus of the side. Whether he is 20 or 35 when we win a flag or kicks 300 goals or 1300 goals in his career matters little. As long as we get to the top of the mountain.