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[WalshistheGOAT]

I guarantee you it will not.
Even highly touted rucks are taken late in the first round.

I'm sure we'd be willing to accept Max Holmes then thanks

 

[kreuze_missile]

I'm sure we'd be willing to accept Max Holmes then thanks

Who?

 

[My Tilly]

Who?

He'd be signed up to a 5 year, million per season contract if he was managed by the lobsters over at your club.

It's why I hope we deal with you guys again. You just have no clue and it's funny.
Fogarty, Smedts, Lang and all the blokes you give us, they up their game and become stars

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Lang Smedts and Fogarty... Thank goodness SOS is gone!

The pine cones down at the Cattery still reckon they are gods gift to the universe post Selwood's departure, despite now being led by a captain with a head the size of Jupiters 5th moon. Atleast he's advocating for players to be allowed to wear casual dress to the games like in the NBA!

Fortunately for us we've got plenty of options to dispose of TDK to a fair paying buyer so we won't be held to ransom by that numpty Mackie on his crusade to create a reputation for himself superseding Dodoro for the biggest peanut in the AFL list boss space.

 

[MisterMarcus]

This is turning out like the Ollie Henry thread.

100s of pages of "TOP 10 PICK!! DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT ANYTHING LESS!!!" before it ends up being a pick in the 20s and a fringe player.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

This is turning out like the Ollie Henry thread.

100s of pages of "TOP 10 PICK!! DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT ANYTHING LESS!!!" before it ends up being a pick in the 20s and a fringe player.

At least Ollie Henry was a reasonably valuable player

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

At least Ollie Henry was a reasonably valuable player

I'm sure we'll gladly keep him then if hes got no value and pretty well useless. Funnily enough Geelongs come after him 3 or 4 times now and each time offered a first round pick only to be told no.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

I'm sure we'll gladly keep him then if hes got no value and pretty well useless. Funnily enough Geelongs come after him 3 or 4 times now and each time offered a first round pick only to be told no.

I didn't say he was useless but comparing him to a 20 year old in the top 40 goal kickers is a bit off kilter.

Got a reference for that claim of us making offers?

 

[Shadow89]

I'm sure we'll gladly keep him then if hes got no value and pretty well useless. Funnily enough Geelongs come after him 3 or 4 times now and each time offered a first round pick only to be told no.

Where does this fantastical line of thinking come from, the voices in your head?

What evidence do you have that we've 'come for him 3 or 4 times, offered a first rounder and been told no'?

Put up or shut up, otherwise you just look even more ridiculous - if that was even possible.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Where does this fantastical line of thinking come from, the voices in your head?

What evidence do you have that we've 'come for him 3 or 4 times, offered a first rounder and been told no'?

Put up or shut up, otherwise you just look even more ridiculous - if that was even possible.

Stephen Silvagni stated it directly on trade radio after leaving Carlton as List Manager. Have no interest digging through 100 pages of Damien Barrett and Tom Brown nuffery to find a link to his quotes but its common knowledge on the Carlton board, sure one of them could find it for you.

'Even more ridiculous' for saying he's worth something between pick 15-30. Cats fans truly are a special breed

 

[PrisonBars4life]

I guarantee you it will not.
Even highly touted rucks are taken late in the first round.

Not sure I agree with this sentiment. KPPs generally go later because they take 3-5 years to develop and are therefore a much higher risk of failure. Once they have developed and there is no risk involved, they are much more valuable, aka Luke Jackson. I must admit, I was actually quite surprised by how old TDK is (24 in a month). First round might be pushing it, but there is no way he is going for a pick in the 30s.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

We did offer Carlton a 1st round pick and it was rejected. That was based on potential more than anything.

Now he's a few years older and stagnated, he's worth less.

F2 and move on.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Not sure I agree with this sentiment. KPPs generally go later because they take 3-5 years to develop and are therefore a much higher risk of failure. Once they have developed and there is no risk involved, they are much more valuable, aka Luke Jackson. I must admit, I was actually quite surprised by how old TDK is (24 in a month). First round might be pushing it, but there is no way he is going for a pick in the 30s.

So how would you compare Sav and TDK in terms of value

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We did offer Carlton a 1st round pick and it was rejected. That was based on potential more than anything.

Now he's a few years older and stagnated, he's worth less.

F2 and move on.

And why on earth would Carlton accept an F2 if the media reports are true that other teams are willing to stump up a first rounder and long term contracts?

Could blow out to about pick 45 with the amount of NGA and F/S prospects in next years draft

 

[CatToTheFuture]

And why on earth would Carlton accept an F2 if the media reports are true that other teams are willing to stump up a first rounder and long term contracts?

Could blow out to about pick 45 with the amount of NGA and F/S prospects in next years draft

Are other teams willing to stump up a first and a big contract? Or is that something Kane Cornes just made up?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Are other teams willing to stump up a first and a big contract? Or is that something Kane Cornes just made up?

Literally every AFL journo is running with it. Twomey, McClure, Brown, Cleary, Beveridge, Barrett, Cornes, Caro, Hutchy... Could just say every flog in the AFL but they have all been saying the same stuff.

Won't find any Carlton fans saying we think he's worth 700k/year long term but if thats what the market rates him at then his worth is higher than a pick in the 40s. Just how trading works.

Pick 15-30 is what most of us on our board think he's worth and given we're targeting multiple picks this year according to our Prez, CEO, Coach and Footy Boss I'm unconvinced we'd accept some garbage pick in 2024.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

And why on earth would Carlton accept an F2 if the media reports are true that other teams are willing to stump up a first rounder and long term contracts?

Could blow out to about pick 45 with the amount of NGA and F/S prospects in next years draft

Other teams are irrelevant.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Other teams are irrelevant.

You know as well as I do that's factually incorrect.

Cats are supposedly offering him 500-600k, as are Carlton. Others upwards of 700k. Clearly, he's rated by plenty of recruiters and people within AFL circles.

It's supply & demand. Pick in the 40s won't get close.

 

[Shadow89]

Not sure I agree with this sentiment. KPPs generally go later because they take 3-5 years to develop and are therefore a much higher risk of failure. Once they have developed and there is no risk involved, they are much more valuable, aka Luke Jackson. I must admit, I was actually quite surprised by how old TDK is (24 in a month). First round might be pushing it, but there is no way he is going for a pick in the 30s.

Yet you argue the polar opposite on the Sav thread...interesting.

 

[Shadow89]

Stephen Silvagni stated it directly on trade radio after leaving Carlton as List Manager. Have no interest digging through 100 pages of Damien Barrett and Tom Brown nuffery to find a link to his quotes but its common knowledge on the Carlton board, sure one of them could find it for you.

'Even more ridiculous' for saying he's worth something between pick 15-30. Cats fans truly are a special breed

You're looking like a deadset fool now.

With our slide and Bottom 8 on the cards next year, our Future 2nd likely will fall in between 20 and 30..yet you argue that's not enough and state 'Cats fans are a special breed'...when we've all pretty much agreed on something between 20-30 on here, on your board and on our board. Stanley at Pick 21 was the closest reference point that I can remember.

You also stated we went after him '3 or 4 times', yet you only have provided one instance, which all and sundry know about.

Tying yourself in knots, making sh*t up, and disagreeing with value that you yourself have set as reasonable, is utterly bizarre behaviour...and makes me think you're letting emotion dictate your reasoning in this discussion - rather than ya know, evidence and facts.

Not worth continuing discussion with someone who makes whatever ambit claims they want, but yet has no evidence to back them up, either. Think you'll be sorely disappointed when we don't hand over a first or Max Holmes, or whatever nonsense you've concocted, once trade period rocks around.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

You're looking like a deadset fool now.

With our slide and Bottom 8 on the cards next year, our Future 2nd likely will fall in between 20 and 30..yet you argue that's not enough and state 'Cats fans are a special breed'...when we've all pretty much agreed on something between 20-30 on here, on your board and on our board. Stanley at Pick 21 was the closest reference point that I can remember.

You also stated we went after him '3 or 4 times', yet you only have provided one instance, which all and sundry know about.

Tying yourself in knots, making sh*t up, and disagreeing with value that you yourself have set as reasonable, is utterly bizarre behaviour...and makes me think you're letting emotion dictate your reasoning in this discussion - rather than ya know, evidence and facts.

Not worth continuing discussion with someone who makes whatever ambit claims they want, but yet has no evidence to back them up, either. Think you'll be sorely disappointed when we don't hand over a first or Max Holmes, or whatever nonsense you've concocted, once trade period rocks around.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

You know as well as I do that's factually incorrect.

Cats are supposedly offering him 500-600k, as are Carlton. Others upwards of 700k. Clearly, he's rated by plenty of recruiters and people within AFL circles.

It's supply & demand. Pick in the 40s won't get close.

If others are offering 700k then why isn't he going there? I simply do not believe the media on this one.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

You know as well as I do that's factually incorrect.

Cats are supposedly offering him 500-600k, as are Carlton. Others upwards of 700k. Clearly, he's rated by plenty of recruiters and people within AFL circles.

It's supply & demand. Pick in the 40s won't get close.

Technically yes it is supply and demand but the player has a monopoly.

 

[Shadow89]

Another MENSA level response I see

 

[MisterMarcus]

You know as well as I do that's factually incorrect.

Cats are supposedly offering him 500-600k, as are Carlton. Others upwards of 700k. Clearly, he's rated by plenty of recruiters and people within AFL circles.

It's supply & demand. Pick in the 40s won't get close.

If he really wants to come to Geelong (for potential success, for family reasons, for lifestyle, or whatever....) then he'll come to Geelong regardless of whether other clubs are offering him more. So what other clubs put forward won't boost his trade value, since he's only going to one club anyway.

If he's straight up "I'll go to the highest bidder" then that's a different story and you'll probably be laughing all the way to the bank. But if he nominates Geelong or bust, you don't have much room to demand overs.