List Mgmt. Trade & Draft UltraThread- Warning, May Contain Speculation #combinethethreads

[Dark Sharks]

At the time i think it was looking more like a 11-13 pick downgrade for us, but we then went onto win the flag unexpectedly whilst GCS kept sucking.

Most people were happy enough once they understood exactly what we were receiving, didn't think there was 'that' much melting

Sensible posters were lauding Rawlings straight away, even before the flag.


Don't think i was one of them.

 

[Scotland]

If the AFL are serious about Gold Coast improving they should fire the guy who keeps doing pick swaps.

They did it again last year.

OUT: pick 19, 2019 Rd 2 pick (~20), 2019 Rd 3 pick (~50)
IN: 2019 Rd 1 pick (15)

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Sensible posters were lauding Rawlings straight away, even before the flag.


Don't think i was one of them.

You actually were.

You can criticize Rawlings and our recruitment for a lot of things, but this trade period should be considered a big tick for them.

Nothing but delighted for the way the pick swap panned out. Worse case scenario, it's a 10 spot downgrade in a deep draft.

Meanwhile we gained 3 2nd round picks FFS.

 

[mattyc75]

At the time i think it was looking more like a 11-13 pick downgrade for us, but we then went onto win the flag unexpectedly whilst GCS kept sucking.

Most people were happy enough once they understood exactly what we were receiving, didn't think there was 'that' much melting [emoji2369]

Sensible posters were lauding Rawlings straight away, even before the flag.


Don't think i was one of them.

To be fair your sensible side has only showed itself recently

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[Cuzz09]

Well we were going to win the wooden spoon in 2018,

You campaigners know what happened next.

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[Dark Sharks]

You actually were.

 

[FKASC]

Because their incompetence is not only hurting us via draft compensation and now zoning, it's also strengthening our competitors and the rest of the VFL.

Apart from our draft pick exchange we haven't stitched them up at all. If we were constantly shafting them like everyone else i'd be less annoyed, but we're not.

None of these WA based youngsters like Swallow, Martin or Ah Chee have requested trades home. None of their talent has come to WA.

• Fremantle got Brayshaw because of GCS overpaying through the ass with pick #2 for a spud like Weller.

• Prestia, Lynch and Caddy (Eventually) all won flags by jumping straight to the premiership favourites from the suns. I'm aware FA played it's part but cheers for making Richmond stronger.

• North Melbourne got Aaron Hall off them for pick 68. 68 FFS. I'd take Aaron Hall over ANY of our midfield depth.

• Hawthorn got a B22 player and former pick #7 Jack Scrimshaw off them for a pack of twisties and a 3rd rounder

• Brisbane took Lyons off their hands via a backdoor handshake at no cost whatsoever

• Kolodjashnij + Steven May for Pick 6.. Righto

• Adam Saad for pick 35 is probably one of the least spud trades they've ever done in their history

^ This s**t annoys me. It distorts the rest of the competition when there's 1 feeder spud team propping up whatever VFL club gets a homesick kid nominate them.

Their inability to win, or even breakeven on some of the most simplest trades hurts WCE, and probably Freo too to be fair, in the long run.

Only a matter of time before Lukoscious, King and Rankine are all on the move. My tip is Ainsworth and Bowes leave first.

Ainsworth (Ben) will definitely request a trade back to Melbourne this trade period IMO.

Yet another GCS top 5 pick wasted on a flanker

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Ainsworth (Ben) will definitely request a trade back to Melbourne this trade period IMO.

Yet another GCS top 5 pick wasted on a flanker

Haven’t heard his name mentioned at all this year. And he signed a three year deal in May.

 

[FKASC]

Haven’t heard his name mentioned at all this year. And he signed a three year deal in May.

Just has that vibe!

 

[Balls In]

At the time i think it was looking more like a 11-13 pick downgrade for us, but we then went onto win the flag unexpectedly whilst GCS kept sucking.

Most people were happy enough once they understood exactly what we were receiving, didn't think there was 'that' much melting

Sensible posters were lauding Rawlings straight away, even before the flag.


Don't think i was one of them.

Mind you.....just because we are the only interstate team to win a flag in about ten years doesn't mean we know what we are doing or that Simpson can coach.

 

[Truckosaurus]

To be fair your sensible side has only showed itself recently

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I'm still not convinced it exists, there's better evidence for Bigfoot.

 

[MaxHunt]

Brisbane is linked with a few players. Wonder who it will squeeze out? Not keen on Taylor though.

 

[Sunraysia]

Ainsworth (Ben) will definitely request a trade back to Melbourne this trade period IMO.

Yet another GCS top 5 pick wasted on a flanker

Not likely - signed an extension during the year and his entire family has moved to the Gold Coast.
He might be a flanker that sticks...but is a flanker..

 

[Truckosaurus]

Not keen on Taylor though.

Neither are Brisbane, 5 games this year.

 

[JDWCE]

Brisbane is linked with a few players. Wonder who it will squeeze out? Not keen on Taylor though.

Nick Robertson? Did a great job on Whitfield in the prelim. Has a bit of grunt. Wouldn’t be worth much and I’m pretty sure he is from WA

 

[15yearmember]

Yet we pretty much had a state of origin team plus picking the eyes of the draft .
With the team we had in an even comp we would have won 4-5 flags . Too bad the rules were heavily in the vfl favour

Yeah nah, that’s just bollocks.

I think the infamous Eagle87 did the best summary of our concessions on this board. Not anywhere what you suggest.

 

[Forward Press]

Yeah nah, that’s just bollocks.

I think the infamous Eagle87 did the best summary of our concessions on this board. Not anywhere what you suggest.

I keep it on copy/paste, it's now the first Google search result for 'bigfooty west coast state team'.

Analysis - Was the inaugural WCE team a state team?

I was born in the early 90's so I don't know much about this topic. On this forum whenever our 92 and 94 premiership is brought up, there's always someone who says that we were 'essentially a state team'. I was wondering if anyone could clarify this, maybe a link to a video of our history or an...

www.bigfooty.com

A WA state side?

In 1986 the WA State of Origin side played Victoria in July.

Of the 22 in that side, the following players were on the Eagles list at the start of 1987:

Geoff Miles, Shane Ellis, Dean Laidley, Ross Glendinning, Peter Davidson, Phil Narkle, Andrew MacNish, Laurie Keene, Dwayne Lamb, Colin Waterson. Thats 10.

The 12 players who werent on our list were Brad Hardie, Rod Lester-Smith, Leon Baker, Gary Buckenara, Peter Sartori, Peter Wilson, Brian Peake, Maurice Rioli, Michael Mitchell, Wayne Blackwell, Paul Harding, Mark Bairstow.

In other words the Eagles got the fringe players left after the VFL teams took the cream.

Of those 10 players, precisely one played in a Premiership for West Coast (Dwayne Lamb). 2 of the players who went to Victoria were subsequently traded back to West Coast (in normal trade deals) and both played in premiership sides (Wilson 92, 94 & Harding 92).

The following West Australians (off the top of my head) were playing for other VFL sides in 1987:

Jim Krakouer, Phil Krakouer, Mike Richardson, Michael Christian, Craig Starcevich, John Ironmonger, Wayne Henwood, Craig Holden, Simon Beasley, Phil Cronan, Andrew Purser, Murray Rance, Warren Dean, Earl Spalding, Alan Johnson, Steve Turner, Nicky Winmar, Jon Dorotich, Bill Duckworth, Ken Judge, Ken Hunter, Richard Dennis etc

So apart from those 22 and the 12 from our SOO side of 86 (thats 34 players by the way) West Coasts initial list of 37 was a state side

In case some arent across history, the Eagles commenced with a list of 37 players v existing VFL sides which had 52. It is true that we had first choice of WAFL players at the end of 1986 but this was only after the other sides had delayed the entry of the Eagles so that players including Wilson, Sartori, Dennis, Winmar, Bairstow, Mitchell, Spalding, Christian, Starcevich and Dean, were first signed by VFL teams before the Eagles were granted a licence. So we got the best 37 players from the WAFL after the best 10 from 1986 were already signed up by Vic clubs. Given that 10 players from WA would be a good number in the annual draft, the balance were essentially the leftovers, late round picks if you like.

At the end of 1987, we did not participate in the draft but instead again got unrestricted access to the WAFL. The same WAFL that in the previous season had 47 players taken from it i.e. there wasnt much left.

At the end of 1988, the Eagles got 5 priority picks (again WAFL only) and then took place in a draft that was compromised in that all the other clubs could only take 1 player each from the WAFL (huge concession )

In 1989, we were down to 2 pre-draft selections (compare this with Brisbane's 6 and Sydneys 4). Again, all teams were then restricted to one WAFL player, this resulted in the unusual situation of 6 of the first 9 picks being from WA. West Coast with its normal first round pick at 4 (based on finsihing 4th last in 1988) got Matera. Then players such as Brad Rowe, Mark Brayshaw, Stephen Edgar, Brad Tunbridge, Dale Kickett, Ben Allan, Gavin Rose, Peter Cransberg & Dennis Repacholi were picked up before West Coast got Tony Evans (64), Brett Heady (92), Dean Kemp (117).... So every club passed on those 3. No concession at all.

1990, West Coast got 2 pre-draft picks, again, Sydney got 6 and Brisbane 5.

The Eagles pre-draft picks and the concessions on WAFL picks (one per club) were to compensate for the Eagles having a smaller list than other clubs (15 players less) and to allow that list to be lifted up over a 5 year period to limit damage that would be inflicted on the WAFL if they had just allowed 50 in year one + unlimited drafts thereafter. It wasnt a concession as such, it was a drip system to allow us to build our list to the same size as other clubs over an extended period and limit WAFL damage. The Eagles last pre-draft pick was in 1991. Remember, these picks werent the number 1 pick in Australia but rather the best player in WA from a comp that had been decimated - and has never recovered.

The Eagles skill/luck in its first 5 years was that the predatory behaviour pre West Coast of VFL clubs and the delay in its introduction in 1986, forced them to take on a ton of unproven kids. This was extended over a 5 year period by the list size restriction which was dealt with by given us priority access to a couple of WAFL players each year for 4 years. Basically, we were forced into a situation of picking up the best kids in WA over a 4 year period which just happened to coincide with the best WA Under 18 side in history. We inadvertently stumbled on the recipe for building a good side - draft as many talented kids as possible in a short time frame. We were assisted in this by the abject amateurism of VFL sides re the draft at that stage that saw them overlook some talented kids. I mean 3 guys got drafted ahead of Matera and every club overlooked Kemp & Heady all in the one draft.

West Coast of the early 90's was a great side because it drafted lots of kids and came up with the formula that works in the draft era.

We were nowhere near gifted a state side. A state side was the 35+ gun WA players running around for other sides in 1987.

I mean imagine is we had started with a real state side:

Leon Baker, Maurice Rioli, Gary Buckenara, Phil Krakouer, Jim Krakouer, Nicky Winmar, Brad Hardie, Simon Beasley, Earl Spalding, Peter Sartori, Andrew Purser, Ken Hunter, Wayne Blackwell, Mark Bairstow, Rod Lester-Smith, Jon Dorotich, Bill Duckworth, Michael Christian, Michael Mitchell, etc

Then you would have had something to whinge about!

 

[avishka5]

don't want to shout Vic bias but when was the last time a vic player nominated/pointed interest in one vic club and the media start doing scenarios for that Vic player to get to another club.

 

[bl4ke]

Nick Robertson? Did a great job on Whitfield in the prelim. Has a bit of grunt. Wouldn’t be worth much and I’m pretty sure he is from WA

Robertson should be our next tagger

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I keep it on copy/paste, it's now the first Google search result for 'bigfooty west coast state team'.

Analysis - Was the inaugural WCE team a state team?

I was born in the early 90's so I don't know much about this topic. On this forum whenever our 92 and 94 premiership is brought up, there's always someone who says that we were 'essentially a state team'. I was wondering if anyone could clarify this, maybe a link to a video of our history or an...

www.bigfooty.com

He actually overstates the number of 1986 SOO players on our 1987 list - it’s eight, not ten. Shane Ellis wasn’t added until 1989 and Colin Waterson was never on our list, I think he played for Brisbane.

 

[Forward Press]

He actually overstates the number of 1986 SOO players on our 1987 list - it’s eight, not ten. Shane Ellis wasn’t added until 1989 and Colin Waterson was never on our list, I think he played for Brisbane.

Yeah I didn't scrutinise it for factual errors too closely, think you're the first one to call it out.

Also probably should have mentioned the reduced list size wasn't a deliberate handicap or conspiracy by the VFL - it was simply because at the time the others had reserve sides and we did not.

Either way I love that post a lot even if E87 was a bit...odd.

 

[avishka5]

Robertson at the right price could be a handy inclusion. 24 atm and we don't have many win options. Also his versatility could add a lot to our midfield.

 

[WillieNillie]

Robertson should be our next tagger

Not unless he cuts those sideburns

 

[avishka5]

Frampton nominates Adelaide as his preferred destination, looks like he's not coming home

Got told a few weeks back by someone who knows him (could be pulling my leg) that he was a Crows fan.

 

[Asapartyhat]

The year before the Eagles joined the VFL there was a traditioal match between the reigning VFL premiers Hawthorn and the WAFL premiers Subiaco.
Hawthorn at the time were the best VFL team ever pretty much. They were in the middle of their seven grand finals in a row period and a team of absolute stars bolstered by some of the best WA and SA players of that era-Buckenara,Platten,D.Jarman,Ayres,Tuck,Dipper,Brereton,Dunstall,Langford etc.Where as Subi were a bunch of no names with their better players on the better dollars in the VFL..You would expect the best ever VFL side to beat the weekest ever WAFL premiers in a competition where the highest rated sixty players were playing in the VFL and they did.By two points.
The Hawrhorn players said after the match that it was the hardest most exausting game they had ever played and they could not have held on if the game went for another two minutes.
Subi were coached by sneeky Hayden Bunton who was ahead of the game tactically.He had trained the fittest squad of footballers in the country and had invented the switch to the fat side run to position on the other side of the ground style of play. Hawthorn played them man on man.
The end result of that match was the realization of the VFL that the West Aussies are a lot better than they had credited and if one WAFL team could be that good then a combined WAFL team would pants them.In the ensuing panic all the restrictions and obstacules and limits were put up and the 1987 Eagles were in no way a state team.