Trade Talk

[Tas]

The Brennan thing could work in our favour. Brisbane has conceded it will lose either Brennan or Sherman, with Sherman looking likely they might hold on to Brennan.

Without Brennan the GC would be more desperate for a forward option. Might be they will look to draft someone out of contract cheaply or perhaps it could benefit us with Hale.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

I'd say that ll of brisbanes back ended contracts will ensure that Brennan does go to GC and Sherman does go elsewhere

 

[Tas]

I'd say that ll of brisbanes back ended contracts will ensure that Brennan does go to GC and Sherman does go elsewhere

I just don't get it. Shedding amounts like this must be bordering on salary cap breaches. Surely they could keep required players by putting someone on a back ended contract with minimum payments in the first year then shed some more dead weight in year 2 and 3 of the contract.

There has to be some grossly overpaid players there currently, but you would think Brisbane would be in rebuild mode in another couple of years past the Brown/Fevola era and that will naturally create the cap space to see the end of all the back ended contracts.

 

[scottywiper]

Motlop wanted to go to Adelaide for family reasons...now Perth for family reasons.
Idea might be to concentrate on your footy first Daniel.

 

[lockheed]

According to Today's Age @ http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/hawks-look-to-move-on-hill-as-bulldogs-call-the-shots-in-trade-week-20101005-1663v.html

The Bulldogs shape as a central player in the draft, with talks involving a trade of the contracted Andrejs Everitt for Sydney forward Patrick Veszpremi and a late draft pick. The Dogs are also the frontrunner to recruit Justin Sherman from the Brisbane Lions, in exchange for the compensation pick they received for Jarrod Harbrow's move to the Gold Coast.

And also ... The Bulldogs were also in discussions yesterday with the Gold Coast over ruckman Will Minson. Having already signed Harbrow as an uncontracted player, the Gold Coast cannot automatically sign Minson, but the Bulldogs could opt to delist him and allow him to join the new club. Should that occur, the Bulldogs could trade Minson, plus the compensation pick they would receive for him, to the Gold Coast, receiving pick 44 and one of the pre-listed players the new club is able to trade in return.

 

[NICK_ROOBOY83]

What would you rather for Hale? The melbourne deal as it stands or a straight out pick 27 from GC?

Option 1, We'd have 12, 32, 35.
Option 2, We'd have 17, 27, and 35.

I'd take the Melbourne option.

Who says we have to take either of those options? We are in a strong position as there are three clubs chasing Hale. He is contracted which means if any of these clubs want him they will have to give up something of value.

I say we should be asking for a first round pick between 8 - 14. if any club can come up with a pick in that region then a deal will be done.

 

[The Chiefton]

Hale to Hawks.
Osborne to GC.
Whatever pick to Roos from GC.

Could it happen?

 

[lockheed]

At the moment, NM have draft picks 17, 34 and 51. Melbourne have 12, 29 and 46.

The Hale to Melbourne proposal is reported by the Age as "In a deal mooted yesterday, the Demons would trade their first- and second-round picks in exchange for Hale and North's first-round pick."

That would give us 12, 29, 34 and 51. Two picks inside 30 - would be nice if another team tops this but it's much better than we expected a couple of months ago (Thanks David).

 

[Hearts to hearts]

And also ... The Bulldogs were also in discussions yesterday with the Gold Coast over ruckman Will Minson. Having already signed Harbrow as an uncontracted player, the Gold Coast cannot automatically sign Minson, but the Bulldogs could opt to delist him and allow him to join the new club. Should that occur, the Bulldogs could trade Minson, plus the compensation pick they would receive for him, to the Gold Coast, receiving pick 44 and one of the pre-listed players the new club is able to trade in return.

It would be unlike the Dogs to bend the rules for trading/drafting advantage. *cough... Rawlings... cough*

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Mckinley would work well with the new rules could come good with him and azza in the team some good x factor coming through what would he be worth

McKinley is 23 and averages 2 goals a game. At 185cm he is similar to Edwards and Warren but with injury issues. Given Jones, Hale, Smith are gone not a bad move.

With rule changes you want guys who can play multiple positions and play tall or small.

With Petrie, Hansen, McIntosh and Goldstein selected in our 22 it is easy to see that North could shift from a tall forward line to a small and go taller at CHB and bench during a game.

Pick off the opposition at CHB, use your lead up forwards to link up and presto an inside 50 with 2 North players isolated with space behind them.

When you win the clearances still enough marking power to create some havoc.

 

[gokangas]

McKinley is 23 and averages 2 goals a game. At 185cm he is similar to Edwards and Warren but with injury issues. Given Jones, Hale, Smith are gone not a bad move.

With rule changes you want guys who can play multiple positions and play tall or small.

With Petrie, Hansen, McIntosh and Goldstein selected in our 22 it is easy to see that North could shift from a tall forward line to a small and go taller at CHB during a game.

Pick off the opposition at CHB, use your lead up forwards to link up and presto an inside 50 with 2 North players isolated with space behind them.

When you win the clearances still enough marking power to create some havoc.

Fitness worries me a little. At the moment we have a few good half forwards but none offer any consistency. Can McKinley offer that? Maybe....

 

[Mr Reliable]

Sam Jacobs (Carlton): Wants the Crows but Carlton baulking at asking prize. Is he worth pick 14? Doubtful.

Translation anyone? I'd have thought it would be Adelaide baulking at the asking "price".

And if Jacobs is worth pick 14 Hale is worth something similar.

 

[Mr Reliable]

Ben McKinley

Height 185cm
Weight 83kg
DOB 04-03-1987
Debut 2007
Games Goals
2010 10 2010 16
Career 46 Career 89

Why would we want a bloke with a midfielder's build playing in our forward line?

He is either a slow-ish midfielder, or a short forward. We don't need any more players of this type.

 

[breeno]

McKinley plays a lot taller than 185cm. I'd say he plays at around 189-191 IMO.

There seems to be a lot of dislike for him on this board, and I'm not sure why. At the moment, he is a better option than both Warren and Edwards, and playing as a 3rd tall under Hansen and Petrie couldn't do his chances to perform any harm. If he comes at the right price, it'll be a great deal.

Mr. R I'm sure you would've said the same thing about LeCras (the Mark variety). Some would say he's a "short forward".

IMO, McKinley has struggled with having to take the 2nd defender as Kennedy is their best forward option. In spite of this he still averages 2 goals a game.

 

[Mr Reliable]

McKinley plays a lot taller than 185cm. I'd say he plays at around 189-191 IMO.

There seems to be a lot of dislike for him on this board, and I'm not sure why. At the moment, he is a better option than both Warren and Edwards, and playing as a 3rd tall under Hansen and Petrie couldn't do his chances to perform any harm. If he comes at the right price, it'll be a great deal.

Mr. R I'm sure you would've said the same thing about LeCras (the Mark variety). Some would say he's a "short forward".

IMO, McKinley has struggled with having to take the 2nd defender as Kennedy is their best forward option. In spite of this he still averages 2 goals a game.

Mark LeCras is short for a forward but he is pretty quick and brave, a good mark, a beautiful kick and good enough to play midfield. Tick, tick, tick, tick.

If McKinley is two or three ticks and we recruit him I'll be very pleased.

I'm questioning his worth to us and happy to hear from posters who can assure me that he would be a real asset.

 

[NiceCunnington]

I say we should be asking for a first round pick between 8 - 14. if any club can come up with a pick in that region then a deal will be done.

David Hale.

 

[dutchy12]

At the moment, NM have draft picks 17, 34 and 51. Melbourne have 12, 29 and 46.

The Hale to Melbourne proposal is reported by the Age as "In a deal mooted yesterday, the Demons would trade their first- and second-round picks in exchange for Hale and North's first-round pick."

That would give us 12, 29, 34 and 51. Two picks inside 30 - would be nice if another team tops this but it's much better than we expected a couple of months ago (Thanks David).

You guys are in a greta position to bend over clubs backwards for Hale.

What are Roos supporters thoughts on the proposed trade package? If it comes to the last day of trade week and no other clubs trump it would you be happy to take it?

 

[GarnerSmash]

You guys are in a greta position to bend over clubs backwards for Hale.

What are Roos supporters thoughts on the proposed trade package? If it comes to the last day of trade week and no other clubs trump it would you be happy to take it?

It's a nice way to start, that's for sure. If no better offers come in I couldn't blame the club accepting this rather than keeping Hale.

 

[Morcosovich]

12,29,34,51 sounds good but I was hoping for two picks inside the top 20. I realize this may be a bit unrealistic. Or atleast a second pick in the low to mid 20's. Overall can't be to fussed, at the end of the day Hale probz wont get many games next yr not much point having him around. Is a good back up though.

 

[dutchy12]

12,29,34,51 sounds good but I was hoping for two picks inside the top 20. I realize this may be a bit unrealistic. Or atleast a second pick in the low to mid 20's. Overall can't be to fussed, at the end of the day Hale probz wont get many games next yr not much point having him around. Is a good back up though.

Yeah if he does come to Melbourne it will be interesting to see how he goes. We desperately need some insurance for Jamar. He played 22 games this year and I would hate to see what would happen if he went down (see years 07-09). But then again I just think were paying over odds.

 

[Deleted member 98541]

Round one
1 Gold Coast
2 Gold Coast
3 Gold Coast
4 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
5 Gold Coast
6 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
7 Gold Coast
8 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
9 Gold Coast
10 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
11 Gold Coast
12 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
13 Gold Coast
14 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
15 Gold Coast
16 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
17 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
18 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
19 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
20 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
21 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
22 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
23 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
24 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
25 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

Round two
26 Gold Coast
27 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
28 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
29 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
30 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
31 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
32 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
33 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
34 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
35 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
36 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
37 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
38 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
39 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
40 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
41 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
42 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

Round three
43 Gold Coast
44 Club 16 on 2010 ladder
45 Club 15 on 2010 ladder
46 Club 14 on 2010 ladder
47 Club 13 on 2010 ladder
48 Club 12 on 2010 ladder
49 Club 11 on 2010 ladder
50 Club 10 on 2010 ladder
51 Club 9 on 2010 ladder
52 Club 8 on 2010 ladder
53 Club 7 on 2010 ladder
54 Club 6 on 2010 ladder
55 Club 5 on 2010 ladder
56 Club 4 on 2010 ladder
57 Club 3 on 2010 ladder
58 Club 2 on 2010 ladder
59 Club 1 on 2010 ladder

Melbourne have 31 - and with WC priority it will be 32 then if there's compensation picks used it's worth less again.

 

[Roosurgence]

Yeah if he does come to Melbourne it will be interesting to see how he goes. We desperately need some insurance for Jamar. He played 22 games this year and I would hate to see what would happen if he went down (see years 07-09). But then again I just think were paying over odds.

Unfortunately or fortunately (depends on which club) when you have a contracted player who has interest from other clubs (especially ruckmen) as well, you usually end up paying a little bit over to get the deal done.

I actually think Hale would be a good aquisition for Melbourne as Jamar is in need of backup and Hale also has the flexibility to go forward and play out of the square. With Melbourne's quick ball movement, Hale will actually be quite damaging if he is left one on one.

Sam Jacobs seems to be the flavour of the month, but given the choice if I was Melbourne, I would take Hale in a heartbeat. Jacobs couldn't get game time in front of Warnock or Hampson who are very average ruckmen, so I'm not quite sure why he would have more currency than Hale, other than he is younger?

 

[Daz]

Jacobs is a very good young tap ruckman. Well ahead of Hale.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Jacobs is a very good young tap ruckman. Well ahead of Hale.

After watching them compete against each other a matter of weeks ago, I don't agree that he is much better. Potentially he is a better ruck than Hale, probably a little ahead of him at the moment due to recent exposure in that position, but Hale can go forward with good effect, which Jacobs cannot. The changing nature of the interchange means that Hale's flexibility is much more appealing.

 

[Roosurgence]

Jacobs is a very good young tap ruckman. Well ahead of Hale.

Maybe, but Hale has him covered in a lot of other areas.

Jacobs has also been laguishing in the VFL while Warnock and Hampson were spudding the place up. At least Hale was kept out by Ruckmen who were performing. I think Jacobs is being massively overated on his effort against Sydney and if I remember correctly Mumford was injured in that game and Mike Pyke is still learning his craft, so even from that perspective his performance may be overated.

Also Jacobs will be looking for a club where he can take over the #1 ruck spot. That won't happen at Melbourne with Jamar playing like he did last year. Also I think Jamar will suffer if he has another ruckmen where they split the role more evenly, so in that respect Hale is the perfect fit as he can play that forward role and ruck relief.