Trades that hurt your club

[Moist Biscuit]

Shot gun Williams was disaster. Atleast got Carlisle out of it...though would have got him anyway without the trade and could have got another high class mid for Pick 16.

Like Fyfe...

 

[Royce Hafey]

Sorry but our mislead determination to "Get back" at Collingwood for "poaching" Raines and Cloke from 1983 onwards led to us going broke and the reason why we have been in the wilderness for the past 30yrs.

Yes and no.
My first reaction to the statement in the OP was along similarly lines: "Don't they know we recoverd from that and won a premiership in 1980?"
But, on relection, the Pitura trade, and the sacking of Hafey as well, were the first signs that the authoritarian genius of Graeme Richmond, which had served the club so well, was descending into hubris and the madness that would nearly kill us in the 1980s.

 

[dazbroncos]

Mature age picks had been around well before the Harry Taylor pick. The Crows picking up Ben Hudson in the early 2000s is always an example I use here. It didn't just become popular because Geelong had one.

I was not saying Geelong made it popular. It was, as you agreed, earlier in the MA history of picks as was the example you gave.

However, in recent times MA picks have become more popular.

Go Catters

 

[markr]

Ryan O'Keefe declares he wants to come to Hawthorn. They aren't willing to give up a first round pick, and he stays at Sydney.

We never even got into trade discussions, once he heard the salary we could offer he stopped talking to us. Carlton had got in his ear about how much they could offer.

Trade away favourite son of the club Josh Kennedy away for peanuts.

Couldn't come close to matching the contract from Sydney. Got him to the club he nominated. Was trying not to raise COLA here, but can you see a pattern in those two? (And Mumford since a Cats fan mentioned him earlier).

 

[KrakFiend]

But you didn't you lost the very next year to Geelong who won their 3rd flag in 5 years. That's a dynasty.

Puh-lease....

You can hardly count 2011. All neutrals agree Collingwood was the best team that year. Refer to the end of season ladder if that is too confusing for you.

 

[Sydswans0512]

We never even got into trade discussions, once he heard the salary we could offer he stopped talking to us. Carlton had got in his ear about how much they could offer.


Couldn't come close to matching the contract from Sydney. Got him to the club he nominated. Was trying not to raise COLA here, but can you see a pattern in those two? (And Mumford since a Cats fan mentioned him earlier).

We finished 10th when we picked up these two and lost Jolly who was on massive coin. Cola didn't make a difference they ended up being very cheap players for their output

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

Trading Montgomery to Port Adelaide, ripped the heart out of the club, and the supporters took a long time to warm to Nathan Eagleton who we got in return. Luckily Monty came back at the end of his career with a premiership and a couple of B&Fs. Wallace was hopeless at list management as Richmond supporters will attest.

On another note, if Nathan Brown had hung around and played in those three preliminary finals, we might have gone all the way to the big dance in one of them.

 

[Sydswans0512]

Trading Shannon Grant for Wayne Schwass we got a few good years from Schwass but Grant was a star for North

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Ottens and Shulz are the big 2 from recent memory. Both wanted out but still stings a bit

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Any Swans fan posting anything from the last ten years needs to look back to the bad old days when we were nothing more than a football nursery for the other clubs.

I'd nominate Terry and Neale Daniher for Neville Fields.
Then a few years later Anthony left to play with his brothers
Now Anthony's son plays for Essendon.

This one hurt Sydney as well. When GWS putting no.1 on the block stories came out I went and traced back the last 2 no.1 pick trades. 2001 Freo gave up picks 1 (Hodge),20 (neville nobody) and 36 (Mitchell) in the first super draft for Croad and McPhalin. In 1992 Sydney did the following trade.


The previous draft to that where pick 1 was traded, was 1992 when Sydney traded pick 1 for 2 players to the West Coast Eagles Scott Watters and Tony Begovich. The Eagles drafted Drew Banfield who played 265 games between 1993 and 2006, inc 7 games in his first year in 1993, played in the 1994 flag and won the Eagles B&F in 1996. The two players swapped were, Scott Waters who was 23 and had played 46 games for the Eagles. Played in the losing GF in 1991 but missed the 1992 flag GF. He only played 2 years with the Swans for 37 games and 2 years then with Freo for 26 games but his career was destroyed by injuries. Was one of the Magnificent 7 - the 7 WA kids in the 1985 Teal cup champions who were selected in the AA side and all were selected by the Eagles over their first 3 years. Begovich played 9 games for WCE in 1990 and 5 for Sydney in 1993 and then retired.

 

[TedDougChris]

The Jade Rawlings to the Dogs deal was both dodgy and bad for the club long term... As was Koops, Bandy, Sherman, Vez...

 

[Slax]

Is there enough space for all the screwed up Fitzroy trades?

 

[Igloo]

The Jade Rawlings to the Dogs deal was both dodgy and bad for the club long term... As was Koops, Bandy, Sherman, Vez...

McDougall...

 

[BLPC08]

I can't think of a worse trade for any club than Fev to Brisbane for Lachie Henderson AND pick 12. Brisbane are still paying dearly to this day for that horrific trade.

The Kennedy trade hurt us badly, however what hurt more was the reasoning behind it. Travis Tuck, whom I don't have a single nice word to speak about, was basically placed above Kennedy in the pecking order. What a gigantic f*** up that turned out to be.

 

[Lockyer24]

Pick 3 and King for Pick 7 and McKee. Although Fiora went at 3, Pavlich went at 4 and would have really helped our 2002/2003/2007/2011 flag chances.

 

[BLPC08]

Didn't really hurt the hawks (we won 5 flags after this), but, ablett to Geelong for a (rumoured) yrs supply of oranges...

It reamed us!! Ablett Snr + Ablett Jnr for a few bags of f***ing oranges!!! Two of the best five players in history for a vitamin C hit!!!

In all fairness though, Gary Snr woudn't have played at the Hawks. He had issues playing in the Big City and wanted to be out in the bush. Supposedly.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Giving up Brad Ebert for basically nothing, Port really rail roaded us in that trade

 

[manboob]

Puh-lease....

You can hardly count 2011. All neutrals agree Collingwood was the best team that year. Refer to the end of season ladder if that is too confusing for you.

Turn it up. We beat you three times. By an average of 45 points.

 

[Julius Seizure]

Pick 3 and King for Pick 7 and McKee. Although Fiora went at 3, Pavlich went at 4 and would have really helped our 2002/2003/2007/2011 flag chances.

We've generally been decent at the trade table, but this is our one shocker. Pavlich would have been perfect for us. Would have played chf for us, with rocca at ff, and not required to run. Tarrant could have pushed up to the wings on leads. Instead, we got an exceptionally average ruckman, and picked a guy who unfortunately never even got a chance due to injury. 2002 pav may have got us over the line. Though we may never have hit the nadir of 2005 that delivered us pendles and daisy either, costing 2010.

Wood for 14 was pretty poor, but understandable at the time. Was a young ruck who had shown a bit, and only cost a late first round. No real loss. Grimes wouldn't drastically change our team.

Malloy for Michael isn't brilliant in retrospect. But jarrod was a valuable leader who played an important part of those 02/03 teams, even if he struggled to stay on the field.

 

[The Final Word]

Not a trade so much but letting Greg Williams go to Sydney wasn't very clever by Geelong in the 80's. Just because he asked for a bit more money. If they had of paid him the $40,000 he wanted he'd have stayed at the Cats and could have possibly turned some of those premiership losses into wins.

Trading Mumford has bitten us a bit as since Ottens retired we haven't really had a match winning ruckman. We just didn't have room in our cap to offer him a contract like Sydney did so we had to let him go. They gave Blake a contract that year too and that left only a small amount of money for Mumford. At the time I think they felt they had to repay Blake for the service he had put in as Ottens no 2, and carrying the ruck all those games Ottens was injured.

The interchange sub rule eventually led to the extinction of ruckmen like Blake, and Geelong got caught out having put their eggs in that basket. Mumford would have slotted in nicely as our no 1 ruckman after Ottens retired. But it was never to be and now we still struggle with that position.

Agree in part because Simpson can't seem to stay healthy but we did get Mitch Duncan from the trade who will play 150+ games

 

[KrakFiend]

Turn it up. We beat you three times. By an average of 45 points.

What rubbish... the dead rubber game doesn't count, umpires got you over the line earlier in the year, and we would have won the GF if it weren't for MM sulking.

Pies were by far the best team in 2011, everyone agrees.

 

[BLPC08]

What rubbish... the dead rubber game doesn't count, umpires got you over the line earlier in the year, and we would have won the GF if it weren't for MM sulking.

Pies were by far the best team in 2011, everyone agrees.

You weren't the best team at all, Geelong were. You were convincingly beaten twice and bad kicking at goal allowed you to get close the first time around. You've also failed to remember how lucky you were to win the Prelim against the Hawks.

 

[The Final Word]

What rubbish... the dead rubber game doesn't count, umpires got you over the line earlier in the year, and we would have won the GF if it weren't for MM sulking.

Pies were by far the best team in 2011, everyone agrees.

There were three teams playing for the premiership in 2011, and the Cats beat them 6-0, and on their home ground to boot.

Plenty of Pies supporters were, at the time, happy to suggest the final round game "didn't count" but few are so absent minded as to hold onto that theory given what happened on that glorious final Saturday in September.

 

[BLPC08]

Giving up Brad Ebert for basically nothing, Port really rail roaded us in that trade

There was something dodgy going on there. Brad Ebert played like a spoiled brat when he was at West Coast. There was no doubt that he wasn't playing to his full potential, he was doing just enough so that his currency wasn't too high, yet he wasn't poor enough to have no value.

 

[mianfei]

The previous draft to that where pick 1 was traded, was 1992 when Sydney traded pick 1 for 2 players to the West Coast Eagles Scott Watters and Tony Begovich. The Eagles drafted Drew Banfield who played 265 games between 1993 and 2006, inc 7 games in his first year in 1993, played in the 1994 flag and won the Eagles B&F in 1996. The two players swapped were, Scott Waters who was 23 and had played 46 games for the Eagles. Played in the losing GF in 1991 but missed the 1992 flag GF. He only played 2 years with the Swans for 37 games and 2 years then with Freo for 26 games but his career was destroyed by injuries. Was one of the Magnificent 7 - the 7 WA kids in the 1985 Teal cup champions who were selected in the AA side and all were selected by the Eagles over their first 3 years. Begovich played 9 games for WCE in 1990 and 5 for Sydney in 1993 and then retired.

One needs to remember that The Age during the 1990s always commented that many players would refuse to join Sydney if drafted. They indeed contemplated a court case overthrowing the draft entirely and creating a fully open player market.

Thus, the Swans cannot be deemed that easily to have done the wrong thing. It is a minor achievement that the draft has not been challenged (will an Abbott leadership produce judges more sympathetic to a challenge?) and that, despite the effect of Docklands in slowing the growth of the talent pool, there have not been notable appeals against a weak and poor club drafting a very promising player who does not want to play there. I have my suspicions that Melbourne, St. Kilda and perhaps the Bulldogs may have this problem in the near future however, and whether the legitimacy of the draft would be threatened is a good question. (It is easy to see how court judges could say the draft has propped up unviable clubs for a long period and that renders it illegitimate).