Tredrea vs Hall

[TheWhiteRhino]

Whose got the most left to give in their career?

And will either player rise up anywhere near their prior dominant forward status?

 

[jmorg1]

Well, based on the Sydney v Port game in Round 2, I would have to say Hall. With injuries, Tredrea's career is coming to a close and he has been reduced to the status of a decoy, taking the opponent's best defender while allowing Port to develop their revolution full-forward of the future, Justin Westhoff.

Despite Tredrea coming to the end of his career, the revolution future looks bright for Port as was seen in 2007 when they made the Grand Final with Westhoff playing at full-forward.

 

[captain ebert]

"decoy" eh?

will get your best defender this week.

 

[RUNVS]

Whose got the most left to give in their career?

And will either player rise up anywhere near their prior dominant forward status?

Hall looked like he was in good nick against Port Adelaide and he said afew days ago that he should be at 100% by Round 4. Hall may not ever get back his 2005/2006 form but in my opinion he wont be far off it. I think he will kick alot more goals than he did last season.

 

[Salopek31]

Well, based on the Sydney v Port game in Round 2, I would have to say Hall. With injuries, Tredrea's career is coming to a close and he has been reduced to the status of a decoy, taking the opponent's best defender while allowing Port to develop their revolution full-forward of the future, Justin Westhoff.

Rubbish. Hall capitalised on Sydney's dominance and Port's weak defence while Tredrea had 6 scoring shots in a side that got beaten by 68 points!

I think both have plenty left to offer but Tredrea is younger, fitter and the better player anyway.

 

[Bloods boy from the Bush]

Whose got the most left to give in their career? I think Hall

And will either player rise up anywhere near their prior dominant forward status? No

The reason I think Hall still has more to give the Tredrea is because he is still so important to Sydney's forward line without Hall the swans haven't got alot of other options up forward. Port have Motlop, Ebert, Westhoff, C.Cornes (If they want) who could make up a competitive forward line. The Swans have R.O'Keefe (Plays more in the midfield now) O'Loughlin (Really starting to wain less left than Hall) Davis (Got dropped last week enough said) and thats it.

Both Hall and Tredrea are still capable of kicking a bag of goals and providing a major headache to opposition backman however it will continue to happen less and less and in Tredreas case very rarely as the Power have alot more other options up forward.

 

[jmorg1]

"decoy" eh?

will get your best defender this week.

Which is what I was saying. He will get the best defender to make Westhoff's job easier. Westhoff cannot deal with the opposition's best defender week in week out at this stage of his revolution development.

 

[captain ebert]

"decoys" dont get "the" best defenders.

 

[jmorg1]

Rubbish. Hall capitalised on Sydney's dominance and Port's weak defence while Tredrea had 6 scoring shots in a side that got beaten by 68 points!

I think both have plenty left to offer but Tredrea is younger, fitter and the better player anyway.

Tredrea is the better player because he had 6 scoring shots with the ball being delivered by Port's revolution midfield compared to Hall's 5 goals (9 scoring shots, 10 marks) who had to contend with a non-revolution Sydney midfield? I'm not sure I follow that logic.

 

[jmorg1]

"decoys" dont get "the" best defenders.

Well, how can someone be a decoy if they don't get the best defender?

 

[jmorg1]

The reason I think Hall still has more to give the Tredrea is because he is still so important to Sydney's forward line without Hall the swans haven't got alot of other options up forward. Port have Motlop, Ebert, Westhoff, C.Cornes (If they want) who could make up a competitive forward line. The Swans have R.O'Keefe (Plays more in the midfield now) O'Loughlin (Really starting to wain less left than Hall) Davis (Got dropped last week enough said) and thats it.

Both Hall and Tredrea are still capable of kicking a bag of goals and providing a major headache to opposition backman however it will continue to happen less and less and in Tredreas case very rarely as the Power have alot more other options up forward.

I agree. As we have seen this year, Port are a speedy, high-scoring team with plenty of forward options.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Rubbish. Hall capitalised on Sydney's dominance and Port's weak defence while Tredrea had 6 scoring shots in a side that got beaten by 68 points!

I think both have plenty left to offer but Tredrea is younger, fitter and the better player anyway.

Lol. Tredrea is very good, but this is just false. Hall's best is superior to Tredrea's, and even though neither of them will hit their peak again, I think will Hall will finish stronger.

 

[captain ebert]

Well, how can someone be a decoy if they don't get the best defender?

he's no decoy for a start.

& i doubt your coaching panel consider tredrea that way - i'm sure they'll give him all the respect he deserves.

 

[captain ebert]

Lol. Tredrea is very good, but this is just false. Hall's best is superior to Tredrea's, and even though neither of them will hit their peak again, I think will Hall will finish stronger.

LOL.........

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

LOL.........

Wow, solid argument.

Hall

205 games
502 goals

Tredrea

193 games
423 goals

If Tredrea can manage 80 goals in his next 12 games, come back to me. Otherwise he's a long way behind in comparison.

 

[Doctor Jolly]

I cant quite understand why Tredrea is the shadow of the player he once was, just when we defenders are being written out of the game.

Hall is not the player he was because of same rules. He relied on his strength and wrestling which is outlawed. As all swans supporters hope, last year was a bad year due to injuries, and when he's fully fit he could be a star again. Signs of that last week, but its his nighttime form that is most worrying.

When the ball is greasy with nighttime dew or rain, halls game falls off badly.

 

[El_Scorcho]

4 All Australians to 3 in an era that includes Riewoldt and Brown in the same position tells me that Tredrea is a better player at his best. He was unstoppable in 2004, and was only not selected in 05 because he was a victim of his own standards. His 05 was worse than his 04, but it was still better than Pavlich's.

That said, both are greats of the game, coming back from injury, both will take a few games to get into it, but both will have great seasons and be fantastic for their teams this season. I still find all the talk to them being written off to bit part players by lots of people last year hilarious. These are guys who played through injury and still managed to do a job for their team week in week out. Fully fit, watchout. They are both fantastic players.

Edit: I have both of them in my dreamteam, and it will pay off, I have no doubt. Both dominant players when fully fit.

 

[pocketrocket#24]

LOL.........

Lol urself. Hall's best is superior to tredrea's. has better career stats and a better presence on the ground.
plus warren is just a knob. haha his name is warren.

 

[The Hobo]

Wow, solid argument.

Hall

205 games
502 goals

Tredrea

193 games
423 goals

If Tredrea can manage 80 goals in his next 12 games, come back to me. Otherwise he's a long way behind in comparison.

Tredrea is a CHF, Hall plays as a FF more.

CHF's tend to kick less goals than FF's

 

[The Hobo]

plus warren is just a knob. haha his name is warren.

wow that's a solid argument if i ever seen one.

 

[kaysee]

Whose got the most left to give in their career?

And will either player rise up anywhere near their prior dominant forward status?

To hard to tell at this stage... last couple of years Tredrea has been brought down by his knee injuries and Hall's form as slipped down from his best.

If and it is a big IF... Tredrea can stay fit and on the field I think he will give more then Hall. This is because I think he still has 'more to prove' then Hall. Tredrea has copped heavy criticism (especially last year) for his poor form due to injuries and recovering. Having had his 1st injury free preseason in 3 years Tredrea so far this year looks on a mission to prove his doubters.

Hall, from what little I have seen of him this year, I believe will have less desire to prove anything and be happy going along week to week. I think Hall isn't too interested in recapturing his best form. This isn't knocking his ability though.

That being said I don't think any of them will end up reaching their previous bests and become dominant forwards again. I think both will prove to be solid forwards but not the dominant ones... that will belong to Brown, Franklin and Reiwoldt.

Cheers

 

[The Hobo]

Well, how can someone be a decoy if they don't get the best defender?

well, if he isn't the best forward, he wouldnt' get the best defender. HE doesnt pick who plays on him, nor does makr williams.

Obviously NEil Craig, Paul Roos etc. think that Tredrea is the most dangerous forward, and thats why they put their best defender on him. Otherwise they'd put their best defender on Westhoff, and their second best defender on Tredrea.. We all know how that would turn out.


Tredrea did well against Sydney, considering we lost by 68 points. He kicked poorly however, but could easily have had 4-6 goals. Last year, he looked a gonner... But this year he is moving extremely well.

barring another injury, he will be better than hall in a few rounds time when his touch returns.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Tredrea is a CHF, Hall plays as a FF more.

CHF's tend to kick less goals than FF's

Where have you been? Over the past 2 years this may have been correct, but Hall has always been more of a HF for us, hence quite a few high possession games since he moved to Sydney.

I'm not sure what AA's have to do with it, either. If anything it says that Tredrea has had one more dominant season compared to Hall, yet he's still a long way behind in the games/goals comparison. AA's have nothing to do with proving who's "best" is better.

 

[The Hobo]

Where have you been? Over the past 2 years this may have been correct, but Hall has always been more of a HF for us, hence quite a few high possession games since he moved to Sydney.

I'm not sure what AA's have to do with it, either. If anything it says that Tredrea has had one more dominant season compared to Hall, yet he's still a long way behind in the games/goals comparison. AA's have nothing to do with proving who's "best" is better.

So all those 205 games you've got listed there, were for Sydney?
And Hall, even when listed as CHF, would play alot closer to goals than your traditional CHF.

 

[BIGBEZ]

Hall would make Tredrea bow to him!