Turnbull: "Liberal Party, not Conservative Party."

[NSWCROW]

Would seem the Chairmans been emboldened being amongst friends in Hamburg.

According to the OZ he's made a speech in London telling the Delcons to jog the * on.

http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnis...-claims-robert-menzies-mantle-20170710-gx8d35

Take that Tony Abbott!

Malcolm Turnbull is claiming the mantle of Menzies for the right to define Liberals as "progressives" standing between left and right.

I'd expect most of you will wake up to a salt avalanche from the usual dickheads.
COUGHsoltCOUGH , COUGHhadleyCOUGH , COUGHjonesCOUGH[/QUOTE]

 

[NSWCROW]

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SPOILT LITTLE BITCH

 

[Gough]

Turnbull is dead right, Abbott, and his backers are rewriting history to suit their agenda. But then again a facts based narrative means their sort is unelectable so you can see why they lie.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Would seem the Chairmans been emboldened being amongst friends in Hamburg.

According to the OZ he's made a speech in London telling the Delcons to jog the **** on.

http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnis...-claims-robert-menzies-mantle-20170710-gx8d35





I'd expect most of you will wake up to a salt avalanche from the usual dickheads.
COUGHsoltCOUGH , COUGHhadleyCOUGH , COUGHjonesCOUGH

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Why do conservative candidates try to compare themselves to past leaders that weren't that great? Americans do it with Reagan, and people here do it with Menzies. I've never noticed Labor leaders doing it before with Keating/Hawke etc.

 

[NSWCROW]

Why do conservative candidates try to compare themselves to past leaders that weren't that great? Americans do it with Reagan, and people here do it with Menzies. I've never noticed Labor leaders doing it before with Keating/Hawke etc.[/QUOTE]

The difference between " Progressive " and " Regressive " in full bloom.

As someone pointed out , Turnbull quoted the Coward in his speech so these dipshits are crying over something their Fuhrer said lol.



How do you get through to people who bury their head in the sand as you scream logic at them and then turn it around and say you mocked them .....

Terminal

 

[WCE1987]

Why do conservative candidates try to compare themselves to past leaders that weren't that great? Americans do it with Reagan, and people here do it with Menzies. I've never noticed Labor leaders doing it before with Keating/Hawke etc.

menzies formed the liberal party I would assumed that's why.

 

[cannot]

Turnbull is dead right, Abbott, and his backers are rewriting history to suit their agenda. But then again a facts based narrative means their sort is unelectable so you can see why they lie.

pun or no pun ?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

menzies formed the liberal party I would assumed that's why.

Would Menzies have even been successful if the Labor party didn't splinter? (Honest question)

 

[funk44]

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I think Alan is forgetting that it's the 'radical conservatives' who want to strip away legislation that provides protection to his 'forgotten people'

 

[Elroo]

Would Menzies have even been successful if the Labor party didn't splinter? (Honest question)

Probably not. More than a few of the elections he won were because of the ALP split or the old red's under the bed hysteria!

 

[kwikfix]

Paul Zanetti Cartoonist
2 hrs ·
Sir Bob Menzies on why he called it the 'Liberal' Party...from the horse's mouth...

 

[Major Colvin]

Political parties, like humans must adapt or die. The notion that the Liberal Party must forever be tethered to Robert Menzies govt and values of the 60's is as laughable as the persons who espouse it - but I suppose that is human nature as well. We know we must adapt and move forward and yet, we yearn nostalgically for the past.

The Liberals, or should I say Coalition govt, have always been a bastardised union with the Nationals. Not in itself a bad thing, compromise is the nature of democracy. But the reality is, they never have had and never will have identity, other than whichever way the wind was blowing (which now encapsulated Labor as well).

If Turnbull feels confident enough to believe he has a mandate and move towards a progressive agenda, that is a good thing for Australian politics and hopefully the Liberal Party.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Why do conservative candidates try to compare themselves to past leaders that weren't that great? Americans do it with Reagan, and people here do it with Menzies. I've never noticed Labor leaders doing it before with Keating/Hawke etc.[/QUOTE]
Labor leaders should compare themselves with Krudd.

 

[kwikfix]

Paul Zanetti Cartoonist
1 hr ·
If you had any doubt Malcolm Turnbull was a Labor plant sent in to implode the Liberal Party, this ought to convince you. From tomorrow's Daily Telegraph.


Turnbull’s new ‘carbon tax’ on cars
The Turnbull Government has proposed a new ‘carbon tax’ on cars that will push up the price of Australia’s most popular cars by more than $5000, according to industry estimates.
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Proposed new ‘carbon tax’ on cars would raise prices by more than $5000
SHARRI MARKSON, The Daily Telegraph
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A “CARBON tax” on cars that could push up the price of Australia’s most popular vehicles by more than $5000 has been proposed by the Turnbull Government.

The Daily Telegraph has obtained the Government’s proposal that outlines the emissions penalties that will be slapped on car distributors who fail to meet the new fuel efficiency target.

Car distributors were shocked to receive the proposed model from the Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development’s Vehicle Emissions Team on Monday evening, describing it as more “extreme” than any measures discussed during 18 months of consultation.

The Mazda CX-3. The average car price is set to rise under a proposed new carbon tax.
“This would be one of the most extreme efficiency standards in the world and will lead to car prices going up and motorists having fewer cars to choose from,” Australian Automobile Association chief executive officer Michael Bradley said.

How it breaks down.
“There is no escaping the fact that if the government pushes ahead with this proposal it will mean more expensive cars.”

The peak car industry body, the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries’ acting chief executive Tony McDonald said it would add “thousands of dollars in emissions penalties” to the current price of a car.

The government’s proposal outlining the emissions penalties.

“While the full ramifications of this proposed standard are still being assessed, the industry’s immediate view is it would severely impact on the work, utility and lifestyle options of Australian consumers by adding thousands of dollars in emission “penalties” to the current price of an average one tonne light commercial or medium-sized SUV,” he said.

PM Malcolm Turnbull is already facing a revolt in his own party in opposition to the proposed tax. Picture: Ray Strange
“After more than 18 months of consulting closely with Government to produce an outcome which would best balance the needs of industry and the consumer with those of the environment, the FCAI and the motor industry are hugely disappointed with this proposed standard.”

A spokesman for the Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development said the government had not made a decision on the proposal.

“The Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development released the proposed model for consultation only, and welcomes any stakeholder feedback,” a spokesman said.

But facing a major political backlash last night, Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull ruled out taxing the family car.

“The Government rules out introducing a carbon tax on the family car. Labor must now do the same,” a spokesman said.

“We will encourage more efficient vehicles, which reduce fuel use and emissions. We are still consulting with industry and have a long way to go.

“The paper ... is merely a consultation paper designed to hear feedback from industry.”

Under the proposed model, car companies need to meet a fleet-wide average target equivalent to 105g CO2/km, through a credit and debit offset scheme.

A Toyota Corolla Ascent Sport, which would fall under the guidelines of the new higher tax rate.
“The standard will regulate fuel efficiency for vehicles in terms of tailpipe CO2 emissions,” the Department’s proposal states.

“The proposed design of the fuel efficiency standard is based on achieving a new light vehicle fleet average equivalent to Target A (105g CO2/km on the current test cycle) in 2025.”

Car companies that fail to meet this target over a three-year-period will have to pay $100 for every extra gram of carbon dioxide per kilometre generated.

“Distributors would be liable for a penalty of $100 for each g/km debit not offset within the next three calendar years,” the Departmental document states.

“Financial penalties will also apply for noncompliance with annual reporting obligations.”

Industry modelling, provided exclusively to the Daily Telegraph, shows Australia’s most popular cars will cost upwards of $5000 more if emissions are not offset.

It will be $2442 more expensive to buy a Ford Ranger, $3925 more for a Toyota Corolla ascent and $5770 more for a Hyundai i30.

Given there were 209,610 Toyota’s sold in Australia last year, that would add up to $880 million onto Toyota’s bottom line, based on a target of 112g/km.

It is a cost that will be passed onto consumers, says the FCAI, which represents all of the major car companies, including Toyota Motor Corporation, Mazda Australia, Honda Australia, Nissan, Hyundai, Ford and Holden.

“Any spike in new car prices, such as this proposal would engender, over the next four years would effectively pass on major cost increases to industry. Companies operating large fleets would have no option to pass these additional costs onto consumers,” Mr McDonald said.

“The industry firmly believes this high target is unrealistic and ill-considered.”

It would be $2442 more expensive to buy a Ford Ranger (pictured).
From 2020, all car distributors will have to report car sales and efficiency levels in a single report at the end of the calendar year.

The new emissions target would then start in 2022, where 65 per cent of sales will have to comply.

The Department model sent to industry states that the sales of fuel efficient cars can be “offset” against those with higher emissions.

The Department states as an example, the sale of 1000 cars with carbon dioxide value of 2g/km under the ‘target value’ would accrue 2000g/km credits.

This credit can then be offset against cars that are over the carbon dioxide limit.

“If the distributor’s debits exceed their credits at the end of the calendar year, they will need to offset this debit (by accruing credits) within the next three calendar years,” the document states.

“A financial penalty will apply if the distributor is unable to offset debits within the next three calendar years.”

Mr Bradley said any scheme that “dramatically increases car prices” will see older, dirtier and less safe cars stay on the road for longer — an own goal for government.

While 105g/km is the target for the entire fleet of cars, each manufacturer may have a different target based on the mass of their vehicles.

 

[Bradesmaen]

So basically the Conservatives and their supporters at the Tele and Australian are imploding. Conservatives are done. Long live the progressives. Nothing wrong with being progressive socially and being a liberal on the fiscal side of things.

 

[Lebbo73]

So basically the Conservatives and their supporters at the Tele and Australian are imploding. Conservatives are done. Long live the progressives. Nothing wrong with being progressive socially and being a liberal on the fiscal side of things.

If you vote for Labor!
63% of people polled will not give their first preference vote to Labor. 45% would give their first preference vote to the Coalition if they shifted back to the centre-right. Turdbull and Shorten are w***ers who will * this country.

 

[Bradesmaen]

If you vote for Labor!
63% of people polled will not give their first preference vote to Labor. 45% would give their first preference vote to the Coalition if they shifted back to the centre-right. Turdbull and Shorten are ******s who will **** this country.

85% of statistics are made up.

 

[JackOutback]

85% of statistics are made up.

93% of people know that.

Funny to see the 'carbon tax of cars' fecking up the Libs policy agenda. They created this bullshit fear, this is just karma.

 

[Tiffsta]

If ya hate Australia vote conservative

 

[Benny78]

How blatantly anti-semetic of him not to recognize it's a conservative party.

 

[Gough]

I think we should all give a moment's thanks that the conservatives in the Liberal Party got a chance to demonstrate their incompetence before Trump gained power. Could you imagine Abbott & co still running things, but emboldened by a like minded buffoon in the White House.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

It's bullshit to claim they are or were ever a progressive party. The entire reason they exist was to be not Labor.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

This is not progressive. It is hard right.

Queensland LNP pledges to promote coal and ‘resist environmental groups’

Friday 14 July 2017 17.40 AEST Joshua Robertsonhttps://www.theguardian.com/profile/joshua-robertson
https://www.theguardian.com/profile/joshua-robertson
Proposals before LNP state convention include pulling out of Paris climate agreement and banning migrants from nations that recognise sharia

Queensland’s Liberal National Party has resolved to use its next stint in state government to push for the promotion of coal mining and “fully resist environmental groups” that stand in the way.

The pro-coal vow was one of the opening resolutions of an LNP state convention set to rule on up to 77 rank and file proposals for new policy, including calling on the federal government to echo Donald Trump’s US administration by pulling out of the Paris climate agreement.

A mixed agenda from the three-day event also includes calls to ban immigration from nations that recognise sharia, privatise the ABC, and condemn public spending on “altering traffic lights for ideological purposes”.

[...]

The first vote of the convention on Friday backed a resolution from the rural Burnett branch to call for “Get Up and other blatantly political organisations” to register as third parties with electoral authorities to enable scrutiny of funding sources, advertising and political activities.

The convention, which sets official party policy for consideration but is not binding on the LNP parliamentary arm, is the last before a Queensland election due by May 2018.

A proposal from the Groom branch near Toowoomba called on the federal government to “pull out of the Paris Climate Accord as it weakens Australia’s sovereignty and economy without helping the environment in any measurable way”.

The Queensland environment minister, Steven Miles, said the fact the LNP was debating a withdrawal from the “historic Paris climate treaty … underlined the differences between Labor and the LNP on climate policy”.

“In the very same week as Queensland Labor announces we will decarbonise Queensland’s economy in line with the treaty, the LNP wants to pull out of it,” he told Guardian Australia.

“This explains [opposition leader] Tim Nicholls’ hysterical response to our policy. He’s hopelessly beholden to a backward looking party base. Increasingly the LNP is the party of fossil fuels, while Labor accepts the need to transition our economy and is taking steps to do so.”

LNP state president Gary Spence told the convention the party had to be “true to ourselves” at a time when people were disenchanted with party politics and wanting authenticity.

Some political analysts have suggested the resurgence of Pauline Hanson’s One Nation in Queensland will sap more voters from the LNP than Labor.

Spence said Labor in government was “now infatuated with environmental issues and have in more recent times been targeting issues of sexuality and the encouragement of illegal entrance and other so-called ‘rights’ issues.”

A proposal from the Young LNP that the party “condemn any public monies being spent on altering traffic light symbols for ideological purposes” is in response to a recent trial of female figures on lights in Melbourne.

Another resolution floated by the Groom branch was to call on the commonwealth to “suspend immigration from Islamic nations that recognise sharia law until such time as those countries recognise human rights compatible with Australian culture”.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...-promote-coal-and-resist-environmental-groups

 

[Lebbo73]

This is not progressive. It is hard right.

Queensland LNP pledges to promote coal and ‘resist environmental groups’

There is nothing hard right about this. It is called sticking to where the core of the party has always resided.

 

[Gough]

Promote coal? That's not even allowing market forces to do their job, the LNP in Queensland become a left wing interventionist party. F***ing lol.