Review Vent thread vs Carlton

[ossie_21]

If you can't see the signs in Cordy even from yesterday I seriously doubt your observation skills, he is only slowing glimpses now, 2-3 years time there will some serious egg on face when Cordy is a class player, and for the record he is being played in position as he is a forward and not a ruckman, the sooner people realise that the better, he is essentially a 1st/2nd year player given his injuries and the time it took to build a body, he needs time.

While I agree with that, I feel only when he's dominating as a forward in the VFL we give him the role he's being asked to do

 

[Bulldog1954]

Can anyone give me one good reason why with 6 or 7 minutes left and being down by 11 points Lake was still deep in defence on Brett ****ing Thornton? We had kicked 4 goals for the half, he is literally the only player we have capable of taking a couple of big late grabs and wiinning us the game. I understand playing the kids up forward and giving them chances to develop, but for a few minutes when the game is on the line I cant understand why Lake wasn't thrown up there earlier. Its ridiculous.

 

[Zeno The Great]

Strange i thought we did alright. We are crap, we have a rebuilding list, at least last night they had a go unlike some of the other weeks. Could have won the game, should have won the game but didn't.

Dahl libba and Wally again showed we probably have the best 2nd year players in the comp.

Howard was better and i thought grant was good. Williams looks ok. Agree with some others keep pumping game time into these kids and watch them grow.

Only real negative for me was DJ, he has a crack but i don't think he is AFL standard.

 

[acker]

Cross: I've read previous posts saying how shit he was, well if you said that you have shit for brains. He was damn good compared to most others. Yes he is slow and loops his kicks but he is almost 30 and we rely on his defensive and courageous efforts, this says mroe about our young players than it does him. If our others players had half his effort i wouldnt be writing this post.

If the statistic meters gained was used in AFL matches, most games Cross would struggle to get a positive figure

He made costly mistakes inside the corridor that directly led to Carlton goals

He get's a lot of touches but to often hesitates moving the ball on or over does the backward handpass

Interesting to see what McCartney does with him over the off season, he is still good overhead for his size I'd be tempted to play him as a defensive forward so it almost forces him into a situation he has to shoot for goal.

Starting to get a bit slow for the middle

 

[nate drake]

If you can't see the signs in Cordy even from yesterday I seriously doubt your observation skills, he is only slowing glimpses now, 2-3 years time there will some serious egg on face when Cordy is a class player, and for the record he is being played in position as he is a forward and not a ruckman, the sooner people realise that the better, he is essentially a 1st/2nd year player given his injuries and the time it took to build a body, he needs time.

Someone has the rose tint on their glasses. The "signs" you're so enamoured with are the 5 regulation marks he's able to take (if he's lucky)? Or is it the abysmal disposal?

Looking every bit the journeyman at best. He may well turn out decent enough, but letting him get slaughtered every week in the AFL isn't the answer. Make him earn a spot in our shocking forward line at Willi, which shouldn't be too hard given these mysterious "signs" a few people are on about, but fail to expand upon.

I wish him the very best, but come on. Be sensible.

 

[Sharkey66]

Someone has the rose tint on their glasses. The "signs" you're so enamoured with are the 5 regulation marks he's able to take (if he's lucky)? Or is it the abysmal disposal?

Looking every bit the journeyman at best. He may well turn out decent enough, but letting him get slaughtered every week in the AFL isn't the answer. Make him earn a spot in our shocking forward line at Willi, which shouldn't be too hard given these mysterious "signs" a few people are on about, but fail to expand upon.

I wish him the very best, but come on. Be sensible.

Agree with this.
I understand the need to play the kids and get games into them so they can learn their craft. Wallis against Mitchell is a great example and have no problem with that.
But what the hell is Cordy learning and who the hell is teaching him! Playing like that is doing nothing for his development, he has no master to learn from, no Barry Hall or Chris grant to show him where and how to play.
If we are insistent on playing him in the seniors play him in the backline where he played his first few games, so he can actually learn how a forward plays, much as many have called for the same for Jones.

 

[_Mike_]

The turning point was when Higgins went off with a hammy. He was one of our most effective ball users up forward and created a few goals aside from kicking a few.

Macca couldn't adapt and without Higgins the game plan fell apart. One of my biggest criticisms was that we place far too much emphasis on 1 -2 played and when something goes wrong we falter.

Dj just isn't up to scratch and is VFL level. For the good things he did, they were negated by the bad which resulted in turn overs and goals so I feel that Cross was a liability. We lacked the presence of mind to settle things down when the tide turned. Howard also had what I call a dirty game. Our sub use is the main problem we put the wrong players in there.

Gilbee should have been moved forward when Higgins went off and Lake moved off of Thornton. Picken should have also been moved when yaran and betts were getting a run on

 

[acker]

I feel that Cross was a liability. We lacked the presence of mind to settle things down when the tide turned.

Also a problem is where Cross is coughing up the ball, often midfield in the corridor

I know Crossy has never been noted as a goal kicker, but considering he is still good over head I think he should be given the opportunity deep forward with riding instructions if inside 40m to go back and take the shot. Sure he will probably miss 50% - but it's not like our club has a lot of other players kicking down the door scoring heaps of goals.

And it sort of suits the hesitant indecisive player Cross has become, to have the options reduced to shooting for goal.

I think he would also give us some reasonable defensive pressure down there.

 

[StringyDog]

Someone has the rose tint on their glasses. The "signs" you're so enamoured with are the 5 regulation marks he's able to take (if he's lucky)? Or is it the abysmal disposal?

Looking every bit the journeyman at best. He may well turn out decent enough, but letting him get slaughtered every week in the AFL isn't the answer. Make him earn a spot in our shocking forward line at Willi, which shouldn't be too hard given these mysterious "signs" a few people are on about, but fail to expand upon.

I wish him the very best, but come on. Be sensible.

Both Cordy and Jones have played 11 games this year, there stats are almost identical except Cordy has nearly double the number of tackles, he is second at club for contested marks despite (because of slow ball movement and butchering ball from midfield) having 2 or more opponents at every contest. You want to see good signs go to AFL website and re-watch first 5 minutes of last nights match closely. He has lots of work to do with his leading and marking out front and getting used to his bigger frame, it will come together over the next couple of years. We haven't developed a good forward in so long it's understandable that supporters like yourself have forgotten what it takes and can't see the development signs that are right in front of you, and a lot of people are too inpatient to wait the 2-3 years time it will take, but it will be worth it.

 

[True Dog]

After reading this i actually feel sorry for the kids we draft next year if they don't make an impact straight away for all the bagging our young kids cop is ridiculous! FFS we are rebuilding and this it's going to be tough for a couple years but personally in my whole time of supporting this club have i seen the young talent we are displaying!

We have 3 kids running a muck out there in their 2nd year yet they cop s*** from people on this forum? Saying they're not up to it and what not have a look at this article yesterday and compare where a superstar like Sam Mitchell was in his 2nd season and where one of our young guns Mitch Wallis is

https://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/142162/default.aspx

People need to get off these kids backs and look at the upside of how much an impact they are already making!

Hallelujah Brother......truer words were never spoken

 

[arkie]

Everyone is saying Cordy is a forward but can someone confirm if he played as a forward or ruck in his TAC Cup years?

 

[True Dog]

Someone has the rose tint on their glasses. The "signs" you're so enamoured with are the 5 regulation marks he's able to take (if he's lucky)? Or is it the abysmal disposal?

Looking every bit the journeyman at best. He may well turn out decent enough, but letting him get slaughtered every week in the AFL isn't the answer. Make him earn a spot in our shocking forward line at Willi, which shouldn't be too hard given these mysterious "signs" a few people are on about, but fail to expand upon.

I wish him the very best, but come on. Be sensible.

OK, lets be sensible, the kid is playing as a KPF in his 13th game in a team that brings the ball inside 50 slower than any side in the competition. When are people going to realise it wouldn't matter if we had Jonathan Brown sitting in the goal square (which we don't BTW).... We've tried Grant, Jones, Roughead, Minson, Campbell, Skinner, Gia, Cooney down there and all have failed....perhaps we should drop them all to Willy as well.. The fact is we are slow...F**KING SLOW... We are so slow it looks like we're going backwards...Wait we are going backwards and side to side for that matter..

Cordy has all the attributes and is smart and doesn't need all us arm chair super coaches telling him what he's doing wrong. He needs to keep playing at the highest level for that's the quickest road to success....

 

[Dazb86]

I don't even care that we lost.

The game was actually closer than I thought it would be.

We've been a rabble for weeks now.

 

[AJARWA]

OK, lets be sensible, the kid is playing as a KPF in his 13th game in a team that brings the ball inside 50 slower than any side in the competition. When are people going to realise it wouldn't matter if we had Jonathan Brown sitting in the goal square (which we don't BTW).... We've tried Grant, Jones, Roughead, Minson, Campbell, Skinner, Gia, Cooney down there and all have failed....perhaps we should drop them all to Willy as well.. The fact is we are slow...F**KING SLOW... We are so slow it looks like we're going backwards...Wait we are going backwards and side to side for that matter..

Cordy has all the attributes and is smart and doesn't need all us arm chair super coaches telling him what he's doing wrong. He needs to keep playing at the highest level for that's the quickest road to success....

Great post. We need more supporters like you.

 

[Dogs54]

OK, lets be sensible, the kid is playing as a KPF in his 13th game in a team that brings the ball inside 50 slower than any side in the competition. When are people going to realise it wouldn't matter if we had Jonathan Brown sitting in the goal square (which we don't BTW).... We've tried Grant, Jones, Roughead, Minson, Campbell, Skinner, Gia, Cooney down there and all have failed....perhaps we should drop them all to Willy as well.. The fact is we are slow...F**KING SLOW... We are so slow it looks like we're going backwards...Wait we are going backwards and side to side for that matter..

Cordy has all the attributes and is smart and doesn't need all us arm chair super coaches telling him what he's doing wrong. He needs to keep playing at the highest level for that's the quickest road to success....

Good post.

Our forward line looked good in the first half because we moved the ball quickly and Cordy had a good first half as did the rest of our forward line. In the second half very slow ball movement allowed Carlton to crowd the bacline and run the ball out easily which results in our forwards falling in a hole and Carlton scoring easy goals.

I would like to know why we changed our play and I assume its our players who lack the skills and the confidence.

Lastly our midfield was smashed again.

 

[TMoney22]

I have no doubt our young guys are talented. The point is do they show enough talent to be the superstars that will take us to a premiership. Wallis and Libba will be very good players, we all know that. Will they be better than Boyd? Will we always be disadvantaged coming up against a quick side?
I'm worried about the others, look outside of our club, other young talent in the league consistently do the little things well. Cordy, Tutt, Pearce, Howard, Roughy, Wood, Vez, DJ etc etc go missing not only in games but for weeks on end. I dont care how young they are, in a game against Carlton seconds most of them had to stand up. This was one game where you have to look at the opposition, i'm absolutley distraught that they couldn't stand up as we should expect them too.
I dont know about everyone else but i'm not satisfied when a young player will have 1 great game a season

 

[Mr. Walker]

I have no doubt our young guys are talented. The point is do they show enough talent to be the superstars that will take us to a premiership. Wallis and Libba will be very good players, we all know that. Will they be better than Boyd? Will we always be disadvantaged coming up against a quick side?
I'm worried about the others, look outside of our club, other young talent in the league consistently do the little things well. Cordy, Tutt, Pearce, Howard, Roughy, Wood, Vez, DJ etc etc go missing not only in games but for weeks on end. I dont care how young they are, in a game against Carlton seconds most of them had to stand up. This was one game where you have to look at the opposition, i'm absolutley distraught that they couldn't stand up as we should expect them too.
I dont know about everyone else but i'm not satisfied when a young player will have 1 great game a season[/quo


At last some one who gets it.

Also to those who are saying the club did well and got closer than they thought - it was against Carlton SECONDS.

How terrible a performance are you willing to accept.

 

[Smiley Boy]

I have no doubt our young guys are talented. The point is do they show enough talent to be the superstars that will take us to a premiership. Wallis and Libba will be very good players, we all know that. Will they be better than Boyd? Will we always be disadvantaged coming up against a quick side?
I'm worried about the others, look outside of our club, other young talent in the league consistently do the little things well. Cordy, Tutt, Pearce, Howard, Roughy, Wood, Vez, DJ etc etc go missing not only in games but for weeks on end. I dont care how young they are, in a game against Carlton seconds most of them had to stand up. This was one game where you have to look at the opposition, i'm absolutley distraught that they couldn't stand up as we should expect them too.
I dont know about everyone else but i'm not satisfied when a young player will have 1 great game a season

You can't be serious can you?

Tutt 6 Games (3 as sub)
Cordy 13 Games
Pearce 3 Games
Howard 13 Games
Roughead 29 Games
Wood 39 Games
Vezpremi 13 Games

Just over 100 games in total there what do you expect them to do? Get a game and be as good as Gary Ablett and Chris Judd? Give them a chance FFS half these kids arent even 21 yet you cant expect them to be winning games when they are so young? Unless you can enlighten me which players you know dominate week in week out with less than 50 games under their belt?

 

[adam10]

Watching North Melbourne depresses me, they would only have just a little more quality compared to us but look at the way they are moving the ball? Handballs, running, moving the play quicker.

Compared to us, we mark the ball and instead of taking the game on we go backwards and other teams WAIT for a mistake from us.

 

[nate drake]

OK, lets be sensible, the kid is playing as a KPF in his 13th game in a team that brings the ball inside 50 slower than any side in the competition. When are people going to realise it wouldn't matter if we had Jonathan Brown sitting in the goal square (which we don't BTW).... We've tried Grant, Jones, Roughead, Minson, Campbell, Skinner, Gia, Cooney down there and all have failed....perhaps we should drop them all to Willy as well.. The fact is we are slow...F**KING SLOW... We are so slow it looks like we're going backwards...Wait we are going backwards and side to side for that matter..

Cordy has all the attributes and is smart and doesn't need all us arm chair super coaches telling him what he's doing wrong. He needs to keep playing at the highest level for that's the quickest road to success....

...and this is the sort of non-sensible, non-explanatory bullshit that gets spewed out over and over on this board. What attributes does he have? He works hard - fantastic. His skill level is appalling; he may be book smart (who knows?), but his football smarts are mediocre at best; he's slow; he gets out-bodied by short people; he has a timid method to his marking; he fumbles. He has opportunities every game to make an impact (kudos to his effort), but he ****s it up almost without fail. His confidence levels must be in the shit hole.

Again, I'd love him to be a star, but having him be torn to bits by dud defenders every week is not helping him. Get him kicking even 2-3 goals a week at our VFL side, or put him across halfback to get his confidence up. Playing in a position where your struggling every single week is not the quickest road to success, particularly in this case. If we're going to persist with him, do it right.

Blind positivity is not sensible, it just makes people sound like raving lunatics.

 

[adam10]

More attention needs to be put on Macca, we have an awful game-plan and we get out-coached every week. I know his inexperienced but our game-plan is our biggest problem.

 

[adam10]

Jones needs to come in, move Williams back to defence, try JJ and I'd almost pay Macca to see Tom Hill given a game in the 1's.

 

[adam10]

IN: Jones, Dickson, Wood, JJ

OUT: DJ, Higgins, Gilbee, Pearce

 

[100action]

Watching North Melbourne depresses me, they would only have just a little more quality compared to us but look at the way they are moving the ball? Handballs, running, moving the play quicker.

Compared to us, we mark the ball and instead of taking the game on we go backwards and other teams WAIT for a mistake from us.

north is 10 years into a rebuild and barely making finals, hardly similar comparisons. Coach has had 3-4 years to work with the group, give our coach that time and I am pretty confident we would be around the 8-10 mark on the ladder.

 

[cleveland]

Jones needs to come in, move Williams back to defence, try JJ and I'd almost pay Macca to see Tom Hill given a game in the 1's.

So you want to play cordy and jones in the forward line. How about leave Willams at full forward and bring in jones dropping Cordy to get some form in the twos