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As others have suggested it may simply not be worth putting the resources into something that has little to no financial support (i.e. sponsorship) and ultimately would only have a handful of people watching.
Sure, it'd be a great little bonus for those of us ironed on enough to want regular VFL content, but it wouldn't be enough for them to justify the cost IMO.
Sure, it'd be a great little bonus for those of us ironed on enough to want regular VFL content, but it wouldn't be enough for them to justify the cost IMO.
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It cost $605.00 a game if we let Sportscast Australia do it.
Its not the money Timothy.
FWIW, the women's game against Geelong is being covered on the radio this Sunday from 2pm (on RSN Carnival - digital radio).
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Cheers mate.
And if that $605.00 can be better spent elsewhere to get a better ROI, then the club will do that.
You can scream to high heaven about this, and while I agree it would be awesome to see better coverage and live streams out the wazoo, they won't do it.
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Though can you Explain where that would be?
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ROI??? Really??
I thought Collingwood was a sporting Club.
I wasn't aware they are a profit driven organisation.......my bad.
Carry on Timothy I will find something else to scream to high heaven about.
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Well i should have read the whole thread,
My comment was probably more about getting some Media and IT students involved at a lower cost,And also thought this could be beneficial to there studies,and be a win win thing for the Students and also the Club.
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Club More Worried with this Stuff
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Sorr at least 3 Camera's recording Game Today but still can't get Stream or Replay
VFLW now on RSN Carnival. Apologies for the tech issue.
Why do people think they have an entitlement to this? The question's been asked by somebody, the answers were given - if you want to explore it further, why not take it up with the club yourself?
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How do you know the number of hits would be low? Seems like that’s an excuse the club would use without numbers to back it up. I could easily say they would get thousands of hits based on the clubs membership alone.
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I think the $605 is spent on those wonderful twitter clips that come out constantly. Player highlights of the 4th best pie player, team highlights from a loss with the always positive headline. You need to pay the social media guy to come up with those inspirational tweets.
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So for Propaganda by the Club think is best for us Fans
Have you seen the latest Lulie Street episode Dave??
Riveting stuff........NOT.
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/video/2018-05-15/vfl-the-livewire-that-brings-cheek
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After reading the input for a few weeks, it's time to chime in.
For five years I worked for a Geelong based marketing/video production house that had the contract to film a number of country and metro leagues (Geelong, Bellarine, Ballarat, Northern Footy League Div 1, Riddell). Our task was to film in camera, transfer the files to a usb stick and deliver a stick to both teams post match. It took longer to find the recipients than it did to transfer the files, but that's another story (bush and metro footy clubs are such disorganised places I tell ya).
Once the game was over and all operators had returned the equipment and footage, it was my role to then compress and upload all the games to the relevant portals. And with a network of 10 computers, by 6am the following day (my swag was a handy resource) I would have compressed every game (totalling about 30 all up) and had at least started the upload process. By midday, barring a network meltdown, all the games would be available to view online. With a single game you could have it compressed and online within hours.
It was always, bar grand finals (and even then only some leagues ponied up the cash for a two man shoot), a one man shoot using a Sony HD camera (12x zoom) mounted on a tripod. If your location is centre wing (elevated is best of course), and with the only edits in camera, a single camera operation is a breeze. The longer the zoom the better of course, as would be a wifi enabled camera.
The only difficulties I could foresee, if someone did volunteer their time, would be getting permission to film, the stability of your wifi signal (if live streaming is the requirement), and gaining access to a sheltered and elevated location, preferably on centre wing. Elevation is a must have. Match footage shot at eye level isn't the best. Players running on and off the interchange getting in the way of a passage of play, trainers and waterboys standing idle right in front of you. And you'll often have someone nearby yelling expletives, something you might have to mute later in post production (time consuming). And filming in the rain is a complete pain in the arse also so having shelter is optimal, but having a shelter that doesn't flap in the wind is even more important.
A single camera VFL coverage looks pretty simple to me. A bit more difficult if you want to live stream. But a replay? It's a cakewalk.
For five years I worked for a Geelong based marketing/video production house that had the contract to film a number of country and metro leagues (Geelong, Bellarine, Ballarat, Northern Footy League Div 1, Riddell). Our task was to film in camera, transfer the files to a usb stick and deliver a stick to both teams post match. It took longer to find the recipients than it did to transfer the files, but that's another story (bush and metro footy clubs are such disorganised places I tell ya).
Once the game was over and all operators had returned the equipment and footage, it was my role to then compress and upload all the games to the relevant portals. And with a network of 10 computers, by 6am the following day (my swag was a handy resource) I would have compressed every game (totalling about 30 all up) and had at least started the upload process. By midday, barring a network meltdown, all the games would be available to view online. With a single game you could have it compressed and online within hours.
It was always, bar grand finals (and even then only some leagues ponied up the cash for a two man shoot), a one man shoot using a Sony HD camera (12x zoom) mounted on a tripod. If your location is centre wing (elevated is best of course), and with the only edits in camera, a single camera operation is a breeze. The longer the zoom the better of course, as would be a wifi enabled camera.
The only difficulties I could foresee, if someone did volunteer their time, would be getting permission to film, the stability of your wifi signal (if live streaming is the requirement), and gaining access to a sheltered and elevated location, preferably on centre wing. Elevation is a must have. Match footage shot at eye level isn't the best. Players running on and off the interchange getting in the way of a passage of play, trainers and waterboys standing idle right in front of you. And you'll often have someone nearby yelling expletives, something you might have to mute later in post production (time consuming). And filming in the rain is a complete pain in the arse also so having shelter is optimal, but having a shelter that doesn't flap in the wind is even more important.
A single camera VFL coverage looks pretty simple to me. A bit more difficult if you want to live stream. But a replay? It's a cakewalk.
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After reading the input for a few weeks, it's time to chime in.
A single camera VFL coverage looks pretty simple to me. A bit more difficult if you want to live stream. But a replay? It's a cakewalk.
Thanks for your input appreciated.
Collingwood media department below.
Following on from Kick It 2 Me's post, I can give you a rough break down on the weekly costs to video stream (with just one camera) a VFL match.
First up is your cameraman. Red Onion use to charge $400 per game for a cameraman, with camera, but if you look around online, about $250 per match is the going rate. Could hire one for cheaper if you found a uni student and signed them to a season-long contract.
The next is commentators. Ideally a three person crew. Two play-by-play callers and a special comments man. Normally these would be volunteers, but let's say your going to pay them $150 each ($50 per hour). One of the callers can double-up as a boundary rider during the quarter time breaks, the other commentator can double-up as the audio and vision switcher.
Then there's your 4G mobile broadband costs per week. A good quality HD stream is roughly 3GB in upload data. Let's say $20 per week cost.
Finally, throw in a $30 petty cash budget for buying any tape or replacing a faulty cable.
On these rough figures, the weekly cost is $750 per week.
Now equipment costs. Let's assume the cameraman has his own camera and tripod, and the club has supplied a fairly new laptop.
From here you'll need an Elgato HD 60s Capture Card which is about $250. This converts the mini-hdmi output from the camera into USB for streaming.
Then you need something like vMix software to stream. This allows you to add graphic (score) overlay and throw to add breaks or pre-record interviews. A very easy-to-use piece of software, and should cost about $500.
Then you'll need an audio mixer, one that can handle at least four microphone XLR inputs. Can get one for about $150.
Next if your headphones. I managed to find some cheap ones for my radio call which were about $140 each and then paid $25 each for a 4 pin to 3 pin conversion. So let's say 3 headphones at $200 each.
If you'd like to set up a crowd mic or go into the huddles, there's some 'cheap n nasty' wireless mics that can do the job for $130.
Then allow $50 for a 6.5mm male lead (or an RCA end) with a 3.5mm male end cable to plug into your capture card (your audio from the mixer) plus power extension cords and two power boards.
All up, the equipment costs should be $1,550.
So, in your first season of covering VFL - doing 19 matches, plus start up costs - it would cost $16,000 for the year.
If you also covered VFLW, that would be an additional $10,500 in staffing costs.
Or put it this way... if the Collingwood Football Club charged each of its 75k members a levy of THIRTY FIVE CENTS EACH the club could provide live streaming coverage of every Collingwood VFL and VFLW home and away match for the season*
*Barring games covered by Channel 7.
** Radio streaming is also wwwaaaaayyyyyy cheaper... and I'm doing the radio stream of your VFLW game against Richmond on Sunday.
First up is your cameraman. Red Onion use to charge $400 per game for a cameraman, with camera, but if you look around online, about $250 per match is the going rate. Could hire one for cheaper if you found a uni student and signed them to a season-long contract.
The next is commentators. Ideally a three person crew. Two play-by-play callers and a special comments man. Normally these would be volunteers, but let's say your going to pay them $150 each ($50 per hour). One of the callers can double-up as a boundary rider during the quarter time breaks, the other commentator can double-up as the audio and vision switcher.
Then there's your 4G mobile broadband costs per week. A good quality HD stream is roughly 3GB in upload data. Let's say $20 per week cost.
Finally, throw in a $30 petty cash budget for buying any tape or replacing a faulty cable.
On these rough figures, the weekly cost is $750 per week.
Now equipment costs. Let's assume the cameraman has his own camera and tripod, and the club has supplied a fairly new laptop.
From here you'll need an Elgato HD 60s Capture Card which is about $250. This converts the mini-hdmi output from the camera into USB for streaming.
Then you need something like vMix software to stream. This allows you to add graphic (score) overlay and throw to add breaks or pre-record interviews. A very easy-to-use piece of software, and should cost about $500.
Then you'll need an audio mixer, one that can handle at least four microphone XLR inputs. Can get one for about $150.
Next if your headphones. I managed to find some cheap ones for my radio call which were about $140 each and then paid $25 each for a 4 pin to 3 pin conversion. So let's say 3 headphones at $200 each.
If you'd like to set up a crowd mic or go into the huddles, there's some 'cheap n nasty' wireless mics that can do the job for $130.
Then allow $50 for a 6.5mm male lead (or an RCA end) with a 3.5mm male end cable to plug into your capture card (your audio from the mixer) plus power extension cords and two power boards.
All up, the equipment costs should be $1,550.
So, in your first season of covering VFL - doing 19 matches, plus start up costs - it would cost $16,000 for the year.
If you also covered VFLW, that would be an additional $10,500 in staffing costs.
Or put it this way... if the Collingwood Football Club charged each of its 75k members a levy of THIRTY FIVE CENTS EACH the club could provide live streaming coverage of every Collingwood VFL and VFLW home and away match for the season*
*Barring games covered by Channel 7.
** Radio streaming is also wwwaaaaayyyyyy cheaper... and I'm doing the radio stream of your VFLW game against Richmond on Sunday.
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After reading the input for a few weeks, it's time to chime in.
For five years I worked for a Geelong based marketing/video production house that had the contract to film a number of country and metro leagues (Geelong, Bellarine, Ballarat, Northern Footy League Div 1, Riddell). Our task was to film in camera, transfer the files to a usb stick and deliver a stick to both teams post match. It took longer to find the recipients than it did to transfer the files, but that's another story (bush and metro footy clubs are such disorganised places I tell ya).
Once the game was over and all operators had returned the equipment and footage, it was my role to then compress and upload all the games to the relevant portals. And with a network of 10 computers, by 6am the following day (my swag was a handy resource) I would have compressed every game (totalling about 30 all up) and had at least started the upload process. By midday, barring a network meltdown, all the games would be available to view online. With a single game you could have it compressed and online within hours.
It was always, bar grand finals (and even then only some leagues ponied up the cash for a two man shoot), a one man shoot using a Sony HD camera (12x zoom) mounted on a tripod. If your location is centre wing (elevated is best of course), and with the only edits in camera, a single camera operation is a breeze. The longer the zoom the better of course, as would be a wifi enabled camera.
The only difficulties I could foresee, if someone did volunteer their time, would be getting permission to film, the stability of your wifi signal (if live streaming is the requirement), and gaining access to a sheltered and elevated location, preferably on centre wing. Elevation is a must have. Match footage shot at eye level isn't the best. Players running on and off the interchange getting in the way of a passage of play, trainers and waterboys standing idle right in front of you. And you'll often have someone nearby yelling expletives, something you might have to mute later in post production (time consuming). And filming in the rain is a complete pain in the arse also so having shelter is optimal, but having a shelter that doesn't flap in the wind is even more important.
A single camera VFL coverage looks pretty simple to me. A bit more difficult if you want to live stream. But a replay? It's a cakewalk.
Great Post Kick It 2 Me,
Is there any reason why the CFC could not reach out to a local University or Tafe,
And say have there Media Students and also IT students cover the games as part of there studies and grades?
People talk of a cost and a surcharge for professional people to do this and i understand that 100%
Would this be a great idea to help younger people wanting a job in media or IT to have and to learn and also use on there resume?
Regards,
Marty
The legalities of using unpaid workers, even if they're students, is questionable.
I also think CrowdedHouse you might be lowballing those staff costs. I wouldn't do it for so little, personally. But best case scenario it's like $15,000 to $40,000 per year. That's an extra junior staffmember's salary. I can't see how that's justifiable.
I also think CrowdedHouse you might be lowballing those staff costs. I wouldn't do it for so little, personally. But best case scenario it's like $15,000 to $40,000 per year. That's an extra junior staffmember's salary. I can't see how that's justifiable.
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Seems like we're going around in a circles buzzbuzz.
$40,000 divided by 19 games = $2,105.26 per game (maybe less if we are televised on 7)
75,985 members (2017) dived by $40,000 = 52 cents per paying member
I am even willing to pay your 52 cents in my membership if it is not justified for you.
Just in case you still think $40,000 is not justifiable for the Club.......in 2017 Total club revenue was $77,736,469 (2016 - $71,475,457)
$40,000 is chicken feed in the scheme of things.
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