Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[doppleganger]

Why is the best of 3 grand finals not loved by the AFL?

Because a best of goes against the premise of a grand final.

The grand final is about performing under the biggest spotlight, watched by 100k people.

In America more people tend to watch NCAA college final (which is the single knock-out) compared to any of the NBA Finals.

 

[Rich01]

Give up the
Mcg grand final
Marquee time slots
National broadcast games
No travel
Move 95 percent of AFL officials and umpires outside of Vic

Then we can talk

Melb Grand Final- Your ex-premier was clear when Optus was being built he wouldn’t pay a penny to host the AFL grand final but whinged like a bitch that his state needed it. That’s when Eddie was dealing to get the MCG the new contract, rather than playing the political game.
And those mindless nongs over in WA just lapped it up. Preferred to whinge than fork out any cash or demand action from their own, which is so evident in this thread.

Marquee Time slots- Not many on the eastern seaboard wants to see North, West Coast or Freo on a Friday night. Gotta put the games on with the teams that will attract the most eyeballs. This is common business sense. Once again, instead of whinging about it, what do these teams do about it that they can impact?

No travel- well this is going to be a hard one. What do we do here? Just move all teams to one city? Seems illogical.

Move 95% of AFL officials and umpires out of Vic.
I’m ok with moving them. They haven’t been great for my team either and I’m crucial of the way they are run.
But why 95%? Almost 60% of teams are based in Vic and so are the % of games. Why move 95% away from the main source of where the game is???

 

[Rich01]

The deal should be thrown in the bin.

I would be happy for the deal to be thrown out if the existing parties were financially compensated to do so. Would the relative state governments in WA, SA, NSW, QLD pony up the millions to compensate the MCC for loss of future revenue? I know your old premier was vehemently against this, and it goes against the woe is me mentality of west Australians to support action that removes their ability to complain. So I don’t see this happening.

 

[WilloTree]

No travel- well this is going to be a hard one. What do we do here? Just move all teams to one city? Seems illogical.

You don't need to do that.

It's been discussed that there are alternatives that would have teams travel roughly the same.

 

[Papa G]

Just blow up the Big Concrete Bowl. The Citadel of Corruption. Would solve many of the Sins.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Because a best of goes against the premise of a grand final.

The grand final is about performing under the biggest spotlight, watched by 100k people.

In America more people tend to watch NCAA college final (which is the single knock-out) compared to any of the NBA Finals.

I know mate. Was a bit tongue in cheek.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I would be happy for the deal to be thrown out if the existing parties were financially compensated to do so. Would the relative state governments in WA, SA, NSW, QLD pony up the millions to compensate the MCC for loss of future revenue? I know your old premier was vehemently against this, and it goes against the woe is me mentality of west Australians to support action that removes their ability to complain. So I don’t see this happening.

The MCG has nothing without football, the AFL hold all the cards. The MCG don’t need to be compensated. If the MCG don’t like it then tell them no football for you. Then see what they say. Again a bit of tongue in cheek but it really is ridiculous thinking that the mcg has any power here.

 

[Papa G]

The MCG has nothing without football, the AFL hold all the cards. The MCG don’t need to be compensated. If the MCG don’t like it then tell them no football for you. Then see what they say. Again a bit of tongue in cheek but it really is ridiculous thinking that the mcg has any power here.

To think the Vic Government/MCC/AFL aren't engaged in a communal reach around is a bit naive.

 

[Muddiemoose]

The MCG already lock out enough fans to the grand final due to corporate ticket allocation imagine how many extra real fans will lose access if the game was played at a stadium with less seats by up to half in some cases

Because you better believe the corporates wouldn’t give up the seats they have access to regardless of where it’s played

 

[Papa G]

The MCG already lock out enough fans to the grand final due to corporate ticket allocation imagine how many extra real fans will lose access if the game was played at a stadium with less seats by up to half in some cases

Because you better believe the corporates wouldn’t give up the seats they have access to regardless of where it’s played

Get rid of the MCC/AFL members/Medallion Club free loaders and all of a sudden a 60k stadium seems eminently feasible.

 

[doppleganger]

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Get rid of the MCC/AFL members/Medallion Club free loaders and all of a sudden a 60k stadium seems eminently feasible.

The big issue is AFL members.

AFL directly competes with Victorian clubs, by providing a better value membership than the club membership.

It is another equalisation measure really, as it sees more $$ head to AFL for distribution instead of going directly to clubs.

Blow that up and then you give competing clubs 50k to split between members - 25k each.

That will help solve the imbalance, as in Collingwood GFs the AFL members is dominated by Pie fans and you get barely any non-vic fans in.

 

[sr36]

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Get rid of the MCC/AFL members/Medallion Club free loaders and all of a sudden a 60k stadium seems eminently feasible.

I agree with you, except regarding the smaller stadium - the 15,500 AFL members tickets are effectively club members - mostly of Vic teams. Just abolish AFL memberships full stop. And negotiate with the MCG for less Members tickets. Doing that would get it up to 30,000 tickets available to members of each club pretty easily.

 

[Rich01]

The MCG has nothing without football, the AFL hold all the cards. The MCG don’t need to be compensated. If the MCG don’t like it then tell them no football for you. Then see what they say. Again a bit of tongue in cheek but it really is ridiculous thinking that the mcg has any power here.

Yeah, not really how businesses and contracts work but I’m sure you are smart enough to know that.
What’s your realistic solve here then?

 

[Rich01]

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Get rid of the MCC/AFL members/Medallion Club free loaders and all of a sudden a 60k stadium seems eminently feasible.

Only 34000 tickets were allocated to club members and the general public for the Perth grand final.

 

[Rich01]

You don't need to do that.

It's been discussed that there are alternatives that would have teams travel roughly the same.

How did you find a solution to that, with 2 teams located so far away from the rest of the competition.
That’s the real problem at hand here.

 

[sr36]

You don't need to do that.

It's been discussed that there are alternatives that would have teams travel roughly the same.

The WA teams don't seem to want to explore the ones you'd start with though: a third team in WA and interstate double headers to cut out travel (which is already being done this year by a couple of other teams.) WA clubs some to prefer to whinge about travel. Travel just looks to being used as leverage to try to gain advantages to me.

 

[smasha]

Best of three grand finals,Tigers would have the fourpeat in the 20's.
But I reckon it's a silly idea but you know what corporate CEOs are like.
Show me the money!
Look at Woolworths and Coles.

 

[kreglze]

I really didn't like what Mark Evans was going on about from a Suns POV.

However, what (I think?) he was trying to do was highlight the inequalities that aren't the academy/fs system and how after a couple of years of benefit it has been seemingly taken away when their is other inequality baked into the league elsewhere. Whether you agree that it is there or not, that is seemingly what he is trying to point out.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Melb Grand Final- Your ex-premier was clear when Optus was being built he wouldn’t pay a penny to host the AFL grand final but whinged like a bitch that his state needed it. That’s when Eddie was dealing to get the MCG the new contract, rather than playing the political game.
And those mindless nongs over in WA just lapped it up. Preferred to whinge than fork out any cash or demand action from their own, which is so evident in this thread.

Marquee Time slots- Not many on the eastern seaboard wants to see North, West Coast or Freo on a Friday night. Gotta put the games on with the teams that will attract the most eyeballs. This is common business sense. Once again, instead of whinging about it, what do these teams do about it that they can impact?

No travel- well this is going to be a hard one. What do we do here? Just move all teams to one city? Seems illogical.

Move 95% of AFL officials and umpires out of Vic.
I’m ok with moving them. They haven’t been great for my team either and I’m crucial of the way they are run.
But why 95%? Almost 60% of teams are based in Vic and so are the % of games. Why move 95% away from the main source of where the game is???

Not my premier.

I don't care what game you put on in Victoria, just don't make everyone else suffer.

The nationally broadcast game should be the 4 or 5 best games of the round. If you are a top 8 team, and are playing good football you get will get national exposure.

This week Melbourne vs North is nationally broadcast, while GWS vs Swans, Freo vs Suns, Port vs Brisbane.

This will be one of the worst games of the year, and they miss two crackers. If you want to watch shit Vic teams in Victoria, go ahead but don't inflict the pain of watching the game on the rest of us.




I was only taking the piss with 95% of officials (reversing the current percentage of Vic officials ). In reality 50% Vic, 10-15 percent the other 4 states would be perfect.
Very simply, every position should be available to anyone from any state an existing team is based in.

 

[go_the_dockers]

I really didn't like what Mark Evans was going on about from a Suns POV.

However, what (I think?) he was trying to do was highlight the inequalities that aren't the academy/fs system and how after a couple of years of benefit it has been seemingly taken away when their is other inequality baked into the league elsewhere. Whether you agree that it is there or not, that is seemingly what he is trying to point out.

He is cringeworthy at times, but he is correct that you can't look at the academies alone. You must look at everything.

 

[go_the_dockers]

The WA teams don't seem to want to explore the ones you'd start with though: a third team in WA and interstate double headers to cut out travel (which is already being done this year by a couple of other teams.) WA clubs some to prefer to whinge about travel. Travel just looks to being used as leverage to try to gain advantages to me.

We tried an interstate double header this year, and it did not work at all.

I have no doubt clubs are trying different things.

 

[sr36]

We tried an interstate double header this year, and it did not work at all.

I have no doubt clubs are trying different things.

What makes you say it didn't work?

 

[go_the_dockers]

What makes you say it didn't work?

We lost games, game back home and played shit the next week.

Spent 10+ days away from you family. Probably did not train that well.

Split the squad in half. 4+ people travelled, but did not play.

Not ideal.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Great to see the AFL is not half as biased as most of the Vics on the forum. Now we just need them to change it.

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/afl-competitive-balance-review-gold-coast-ceo-mark-evans-reveals-levels-of-disadvantage-for-nonvictorian-clubs/news-story/a3dd3bd761924d41c67081389ac9d827

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[Sinjin Smith]

I really didn't like what Mark Evans was going on about from a Suns POV.

However, what (I think?) he was trying to do was highlight the inequalities that aren't the academy/fs system and how after a couple of years of benefit it has been seemingly taken away when their is other inequality baked into the league elsewhere. Whether you agree that it is there or not, that is seemingly what he is trying to point out.

I empathise with his point however the "play home finals away" to make up for it is stupid. You don't correct one error by making another of the same ilk.

I don't know how you do it however if the AFL is to take a step to being a more equalised national competition, which ever team finishes first or highest in the finals system deserves to have/host a home grand final interstate or otherwise.