Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[Coasters7]

Biased or talking positive about the team that’s actually playing well?

Except they go very quiet when the other side starts making a move and talking about “what the Hawks/Cats/Pies need to do to win”

 

[Coasters7]

Problem?

Crows, as an inexperienced finals team, lose to Collingwood (with finals experience and recent GF experience). Nothing new here. Happens all the time.
GWS, gamble with players returning from injury, suffer in game injuries, are gallant, but ultimately beaten by a better, healthier, team. Nothing new again.
Cats, with a healthy list, defeat an injured depleted Brisbane. Again nothing we haven't seen before.

Unfortunately, you see every Vic team win as a conspiracy.

Nothing to do with the results necessarily but it’s the reason why everything - tribunal, umpiring potentially etc are so sh*t because they’re playing to the viewership

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Not kicking a goal in the first 10 minutes when the ball was camped in GWS F50.

Toby Greene missing an important goal in Q4.

Dylan Moore and Blake Hardwick going into beast mode in Q4 when they were well held in the first 3.

Yeah, and when the Umps put the whistle away GWS kicked 7 goals.

That can all be true.

 

[hk89]

Problem with the league right here. Commentary from all 3 games so far has been very one sided and a big reason why threads like this exist

Really? Your posts remind me of this:

Based on your game day posts, your interpretation of what the commentators are saying is inline with the speech bubble on the right. You're like a dog with a bone who only lets a small number of words through to your conscious brain, words like "free kick" and "vic team", especially when used in the same sentence.

 

[Hoops]

Or youre so used to the "normal" coverage that anything else seems like barracking the other way

I could say the same to you

 

[sr36]

Yeah, and when the Umps put the whistle away GWS kicked 7 goals.

That can all be true.

My view of the umpiring so far:

Adel v Coll - outstandingly umpired.
Geel v Bris - absurdity in Brisbane's favour
GWS v Haw - advantage Hawks - but it always does as they play for frees a heap more than any other team in the comp.

 

[SC_Power]

I live in Adelaide and have lived on the Gold Coast for 5 years, I also grew up in a town with 9 other teams.

I’d suggest it’s the people who have only had it their way, or the other way, are the ones who have no idea about what “normal” is

And I lived in Melbourne for 6 years and worked around Australia and overseas, and Victorians as a group are as biased and entitled as any supporter base I’ve encountered.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Nothing to do with the results necessarily but it’s the reason why everything - tribunal, umpiring potentially etc are so sh*t because they’re playing to the viewership

Everything the AFL does is aimed at growing the game outside of Victoria, particularly in NSW and QLD.

The viewership, I assume mainly Victorians, are very much taken for granted by the AFL as they are rusted on. The AFL doesn't have to worry about losing Victoria supporters.

Watch the AFL absolutely shit themselves once GWS fall into a heap on field and stop making finals, and their already paltry crowd dwindle to 5 - 6,000 people per home game.

The AFL is exploiting the richer clubs to prop up their ambition of getting a footing in the Northern states, and of course, the AFLW.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

And I lived in Melbourne for 6 years and worked around Australia and overseas, and Victorians as a group are as biased and entitled as any supporter base I’ve encountered.

Entitled?

Exploited more like it

 

[Humblebob]

And I lived in Melbourne for 6 years and worked around Australia and overseas, and Victorians as a group are as biased and entitled as any supporter base I’ve encountered.

Yeah wholeheartedly disagree mate, I tend to enjoy watching the footy every weekend though, so maybe I’m doing it wrong!

Wasn’t a duck measuring contest either, more a point of reference.

Thinking a whole group of people, as a whole, are unable to think the way you do, based on locality, is also a little strange. Might be another word for it.

 

[SC_Power]

Yeah wholeheartedly disagree mate, I tend to enjoy watching the footy every weekend though, so maybe I’m doing it wrong!

Wasn’t a duck measuring contest either, more a point of reference. Thinking a whole group of people are unable to think the way, you do, based on locality, is also a little strange. Might be another word for it.

It’s not the local interpretation or bias that I care about. I listen to 5AA like Geelong listen to KRock.

It’s the competition national broadcasters that are the issue. They should be unbiased, but clearly aren’t.
I know you don’t accept that and that’s ok, but one day you’ll hear the broadcaster yell ”Oh No” when you’re team might hit the lead in a final, and you’ll understand. But we all know that won’t happen.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

My view of the umpiring so far:

Adel v Coll - outstandingly umpired.
Geel v Bris - absurdity in Brisbane's favour
GWS v Haw - advantage Hawks - but it always does as they play for frees a heap more than any other team in the comp.

But the Hawks didnt get unwarranted frees by playing for them, it was that GWS didnt get anything forward of 50 when there were shitloads that should have been paid.

The unpaid free kick is more damaging than the dodgy ones paid in finals because there is no reward for effort in a high intensity contest.

 

[SC_Power]

Entitled?

Exploited more like it

Haha entitled is the perfect word for it.

You’re not exploited when you’re the ones running the comp for your benefit.

 

[Humblebob]

It’s not the local interpretation or bias that I care about. I listen to 5AA like Geelong listen to KRock.

It’s the competition national broadcasters that are the issue. They should be unbiased, but clearly aren’t.
I know you don’t accept that and that’s ok, but one day you’ll hear the broadcaster yell ”Oh No” when you’re team might hit the lead in a final, and you’ll understand. But we all know that won’t happen.

Mate if you’ve been around as much as you have surely you understand that these people, are in the end, just normal people.

Each with their own inherent likes, dislikes and bias. Expecting them all to be completely impartial every game is folly for mine.
Actively listening for it probably only enhances this. I genuinely do not really hear any active barracking but I get that my experience can differ from others.

I just get a bit staggered at the reactions it seems to draw.

 

[Humblebob]

It’s not the local interpretation or bias that I care about. I listen to 5AA like Geelong listen to KRock.

It’s the competition national broadcasters that are the issue. They should be unbiased, but clearly aren’t.
I know you don’t accept that and that’s ok, but one day you’ll hear the broadcaster yell ”Oh No” when you’re team might hit the lead in a final, and you’ll understand. But we all know that won’t happen.

And yeah it probably won’t and I do accept that lol.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Haha entitled is the perfect word for it.

You’re not exploited when you’re the ones running the comp for your benefit.

Round 0 - to grow the game in Northern states....exploited
Gather Round....exploited

 

[SC_Power]

Round 0 - to grow the game in Northern states....exploited
Gather Round....exploited

Um, do you actually know what the word means? Seriously.

 

[hawkman]

Except they go very quiet when the other side starts making a move and talking about “what the Hawks/Cats/Pies need to do to win”

Channel 7 spent most of the game today talking about what GWS needed to do

 

[doppleganger]

Collingwood undoubtedly have the best fixture for tv viewership and thus growing the club.

Yep
ANZAC day, Kings BDay, dreamtime these are big clashes that are good for $$...but no on-field advantage

But in terms of winning games of footy, I've got no idea how anyone can be adamant that Collingwood's fixture is more favourable with a heap of neutral games and an equal number of genuine advantage and disadvantage games, where with the advantage games our opponent is far more familiar with playing in the city and the venue than we are when playing interstate.

People don't bother to do any critical thinking.

It is just herp derp the Pies play at the G a lot (ignoring that their opponents also play at the G a lot) and so must be advantaged.

Like if Adelaide played Port 6 times a year, and people decided that both are advantaged because they play lots of games at the AO...makes zero sense as a game against Port isn't an easy game for Adelaide.

I've also got no idea why people would ignore the reality that the Adelaide teams lose so many home finals - suggesting that their ladder position often flatters how good they are.

Most people ignore results and prefer to just run with beliefs...SA fans "believe" they are hard done by, so that is enough and that is trumpeted by their own biased media heads and so they all nod along about how hard they have it.

The facts are, that after AFL imposed ground rationalisation in Melbourne, the most successful clubs play majority of their games outside of Melbourne.

It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, as the AFL effectively reduced the home ground advantage for the Melbourne based teams.

 

[sr36]

Non-Vic teams don't seem able to handle the pressure of playing in front of their home crowd. Good thing for them that the Granny is at the MCG.

 

[Mr Meow]

Non-Vic teams don't seem able to handle the pressure of playing in front of their home crowd. Good thing for them that the Granny is at the MCG.

I think it applies to non Melbourne teams. I heard a crazy stat the other day that Geelong has not won a single final at it's home ground.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Non-Vic teams don't seem able to handle the pressure of playing in front of their home crowd. Good thing for them that the Granny is at the MCG.

I've worked it out.
As soon as someone barracks for the opposition they start sooking, and go to water.

Going by the sooks in here, I think i'm on the money.

 

[footy75]

My view of the umpiring so far:

Adel v Coll - outstandingly umpired.
Geel v Bris - absurdity in Brisbane's favour
GWS v Haw - advantage Hawks - but it always does as they play for frees a heap more than any other team in the comp.

All games besides Brisbane v Geelong were umpired brilliantly.

Can you tell me how the umpires favoured Hawthorn (are you are crows fan?).
Which decision was wrong??

 

[greatwhiteshark]

This isn't a single season point sharky.

25 seasons of the 21st century, after AFL completed ground rationalisation in Melbourne.

The 8 Melbourne based sides have finished top 2 on the H&A ladder a combined 13 times. When they finish top 2, 11 of the 13 times the Melbourne based team have made the GF.

The 2 SA teams have finished top 2 on the H&A ladder a combined 12 times. When they finish top 2, 9 times they have lost home finals and failed to make the GF on 8 (wait and see if Adelaide in 2025 will make it 9 of 12.)

A strong home ground advantage and reduced away disadvantage is what the SA teams enjoy during H&A every year. It helps them finish higher on the H&A than they should, and then they get found out in finals.

I am not disputing that the Adelaide teams have for whatever reason failed to win their first final in a finals series. And I agree it has happened regularly for the two Adelaide clubs. But it doesn’t really apply across the board for non vic teams and I am just pointing out you are generalising.
Brisbane and West coast thus has not applied to on mass like in Adelaide. Sydney been pretty good at home also.
You just will never convince me if West coast finish top in a season they don’t deserve to. There is so much to it now. Who did you play twice, where did you play them? When did you play them? This applies to all clubs. Yiu guys got so called blockbusters this year against Richmond, Essendon, Carlton and all of them were little walks in the park for you.
Some seasons all 4 of you big VIC clubs are strong. Freo had two easy hit outs against the Eagles this year and have had for 4 years now. It’s all swings and roundabouts mate.
I have not been sure the best side has won the flag for over 20 years now, not sure how anyone can say with any confidence that the best side wins anymore as the comp lacks so much equality.
The comp is what it is.

 

[Oscarman]

Channel 7 spent most of the game today talking about what GWS needed to do

7 want every game they broadcast to be close so the viewers don't switch off. I've heard BT say this, so no surprise it permeates into the commentary.

The true VicBias is on Fox games at the G or Marvel between Vic and non-Vic teams. Fan commentaries would be more objective.