West Coast are the only non VIC club to win a premiership without concessions

[Blackas87]

Been making finals for the last 5 yrs without the salary cap.


The vfl was broke in the 80's which is why the Bears & Eagles were made to pay a 6 million license fee.

Op thinks you can’t win without larger salary cap, only reason you got those flags.

Who pays $6 million to join a broke league?

I wonder who paid Jonny Plattern, Craig Bradley ect… when the league was broke.

Eagles were made to pay $6 million to join the VFL? Why would they spend so much money to join a broke league on the opposite side of the country?

 

[LionsMaw]

Op thinks you can’t win without larger salary cap, only reason you got those flags.

Who pays $6 million to join a broke league?

I wonder who paid Jonny Plattern, Craig Bradley ect… when the league was broke.

Eagles were made to pay $6 million to join the VFL? Why would they spend so much money to join a broke league on the opposite side of the country?

Had to pay big bux in order for the vfl to have money that it could then spend on propping up the likes of c'wood, essendon, Carlton, etc.


I'm not going to bother explaining why Brisbane had to pay overs in order to retain 2nd tier players since you already know why.

 

[kane249]

Op thinks you can’t win without larger salary cap, only reason you got those flags.

Who pays $6 million to join a broke league?

I wonder who paid Jonny Plattern, Craig Bradley ect… when the league was broke.

Eagles were made to pay $6 million to join the VFL? Why would they spend so much money to join a broke league on the opposite side of the country?

Some clubs were broke and went very close to folding (Fitzroy, Footscray, Tigers etc) while others had the means to survive. The 12 million injection from the Eagles and the Lions went towards keeping them afloat.

VFL was the only league going national, so if a WA or QLD team wanted to join those were the terms and conditions to join.

 

[kane249]

Blackas87

Some light reading for you

Saving football: New documents reveal how close the VFL came to shutting down

In 1986, the Victorian Football League came perilously close to being shut down. Thirty years on, never before seen documents reveal how close the end nearly came.

www.theage.com.au

 

[LionsMaw]

Blackas87

Some light reading for you

Saving football: New documents reveal how close the VFL came to shutting down

In 1986, the Victorian Football League came perilously close to being shut down. Thirty years on, never before seen documents reveal how close the end nearly came.

www.theage.com.au

" Victorian fans can thank Brisbane and West Coast - which joined the competition in 1987 - for effectively saving the league"

Can't get a quote more direct than that

 

[Blackas87]

Blackas87

Some light reading for you

Saving football: New documents reveal how close the VFL came to shutting down

In 1986, the Victorian Football League came perilously close to being shut down. Thirty years on, never before seen documents reveal how close the end nearly came.

www.theage.com.au

Yes mate we all know the history. The Vic clubs were still generating the most revenue, they were just overspending, that’s it. West Coast joined not to do the VFL a favour, they joined because the VFL was going no where with or without them. Yes the VFL used West Coast and Brisbane’s money to pay off debt, but they didn’t need to, the VFL clubs had other options. West Coast joined because the best WA players kept moving to Victoria for money.

 

[LionsMaw]

Op thinks you can’t win without larger salary cap, only reason you got those flags.

Who pays $6 million to join a broke league?

I wonder who paid Jonny Plattern, Craig Bradley ect… when the league was broke.

Eagles were made to pay $6 million to join the VFL? Why would they spend so much money to join a broke league on the opposite side of the country?

The reason we won our flags is because of our star players, most of whom came from the Bears side NOT the Fitzroy side, and because, as unbelievable as it may sound to the cynical, they wanted both the respect of the football world and self respect. They were champions who also took pay cuts in order to stay together. The salary cap didn't win those flags.


ETA: More concessions does not equal flag success. Just look at how the suns are faring.

People who use that simplistic argument, that salary cap is what gave Brisbane its flags, are just envious that their bog ordinary team weren't up to scratch.

 

[LionsMaw]

Yes mate we all know the history. The Vic clubs were still generating the most revenue, they were just overspending, that’s it. West Coast joined not to do the VFL a favour, they joined because the VFL was going no where with or without them. Yes the VFL used West Coast and Brisbane’s money to pay off debt, but they didn’t need to, the VFL clubs had other options. West Coast joined because the best WA players kept moving to Victoria for money.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.....

 

[LionsMaw]

Yes mate we all know the history. The Vic clubs were still generating the most revenue, they were just overspending, that’s it. West Coast joined not to do the VFL a favour, they joined because the VFL was going no where with or without them. Yes the VFL used West Coast and Brisbane’s money to pay off debt, but they didn’t need to, the VFL clubs had other options. West Coast joined because the best WA players kept moving to Victoria for money.

Overspending money leads to debt which tends to mean BROKE.

 

[Blackas87]

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.....

I just said we all know the history.

Brisbane and West Coast joined the strongest league in the county for reason. What river is in Egypt?

 

[timokane]

Wrong west coast have been helped along very nicely by the AFL since 1987.

its all down to mis management on their half thats all.

 

[LionsMaw]

I just said we all know the history.

Brisbane and West Coast joined the strongest league in the county for reason. What river is in Egypt?

Strongest but basically BROKE and needed Bears & Eagles money to prop it up.

And now troll I'm done with you

 

[Blackas87]

Strongest but basically BROKE.

Strongest because it generated the most revenue

 

[LionsMaw]

Strongest because it generated the most revenue

trolls are gonna troll

 

[Blackas87]

trolls are gonna troll

Stating a fact is trolling?

They could have just licensed 12 Vic clubs out to individuals at $1 million and generated the exact same $12 million the Bears and Eagles generated.

Then just like they did in 1987 put the salary cap in to prevent overspending again.

 

[Hollow Knight]

What about the clubs who get the concession of playing all grand finals on their home deck?

 

[Freomaniac]

Actually not true
In 1989 clubs were not allowed to take multiple players from the Wafl. Hence why Dean Kemp went 117. Literally no club could take him.

Thread is a little ignorant.

Hawthorn fans complaining about drafting. lol

Your team won flags in 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989 and 1991 due to good recruiting zones. lol

Also... Literally no club could take Dean Kemp. The hawks had the chance to get him.

However, the hawks used pick 14 on Another WA bloke. He Did ok. Played 98 games and kicked 72 goals for your mob from 1990-94. The bloke became the Dockers 1st captain in 1995. Yep its Ben Allan.

 

[Caligo]

Hawthorn fans complaining about drafting. lol

Your team won flags in 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989 and 1991 due to good recruiting zones. lol

Hawthorn had a good recruitment zone but they weren't the only club who had one. Clubs win flags as a result of good management. Look back over the last 20-30 years and see which clubs have had the most top 10 picks. It isn't the same clubs who have won most of the flags.

 

[Pistol Night]

West Coast played a Collingwood team coached by Buckley. Thats a bigger concession than a pensioner going to Movieworld

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

West Coast played a Collingwood team coached by Buckley. Thats a bigger concession than a pensioner going to Movieworld

On their home ground after finishing higher on the ladder, winning H2H in the home and away season and in finals, without 3 All Australians and with a 5 goal handicap. Pies had all the concessions in that one.

 

[Taper]

On their home ground after finishing higher on the ladder, winning H2H in the home and away season and in finals, without 3 All Australians and with a 5 goal handicap. Pies had all the concessions in that one.

Richmond had gastro during preliminary final week.
Grand final should have been Richmond v West Coast.
Interesting that Richmond have never met either of the WA sides in a final.

 

[Shane Heard]

Some clubs were broke and went very close to folding (Fitzroy, Footscray, Tigers etc) while others had the means to survive. The 12 million injection from the Eagles and the Lions went towards keeping them afloat.

VFL was the only league going national, so if a WA or QLD team wanted to join those were the terms and conditions to join.

Collingwood were on their knees too until McGuire fixed things up

 

[Farang83150]

If the 2001 era priority pick rules didn't exist in 2001, we still would have taken Judd with pick 3, which was the "natural" pick we had based on ladder position, but we wouldn't have taken Sampi at 5 or 6 it whatever he was drafted at.

So yes, he was a priority pick, but if no one had priority picks that year, we still would have had pick 3, and still would have drafted Judd.

There's so many morons post re the Judd pic that don't know the above.

 

[Farang83150]

Too simplistic to think of it that way.

Having an extra pick allows you to do things differently.

If there were no priority picks, do Fremantle trade out pick 1? If they only have one pick in the first round, does West Coast want to risk the Victorian kid with injury concerns or do they just take the best West Australian Polak instead?

There's sliding doors all over the place.

The only thing we know for certain is that West Coast were granted pick 3 as a priority pick, and with pick 3 they selected Chris Judd.

Moronic.....

 

[Freomaniac]

Richmond had gastro during preliminary final week.
Grand final should have been Richmond v West Coast.
Interesting that Richmond have never met either of the WA sides in a final.

That could of happened, twice, maybe in 3 other times.

1. 1994, Richmond finished 9th, Eagles 1st. Had Richmond taken collingwoods 8th spot, it would of been top placed eagles vs 8th played Richmond in a qualifying final in WA.

2. 2014. dockers vs Port game in round 23. Dockers beat Port narrowly to get 4th spot. Looking back.... I wouldnt of been upset losing to Port in that final round. Had that happened, Port gets 4th and faced the swans. Freo gets 5th but faces a resurgent richmond that went 3-10 in round 14 to 12-10 at the end of the season. I have said many times I would of traded that round 23, 2014 win vs Port in the final round in exchange of beating Port in round 22, 2005. That meant in 2005, dockers would of got Ports spot in the finals and meant that freo would of made back to back finals in 2005-6...

3. 2018... yeah we all know about tigers players getting sick in the 2018 prelim final.

4. 2019. Another missed eagles chance. West coast lost narrowly to Richmond by 6 points at the MCG. I have no doubt they put all their energy on that game. I remember watching the Eagles vs Hawks game in WA the next week. Hawks won by 38 points. You could tell the eagles were physically and mentally deflated after the narrow tigers loss.

eagles could of faced richmond in a prelim final in 2019 at the MCG, but west coast lost a semi final at the mcg to geelong.