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West Coast's 1992 Premiership doesn't get enough Recognition
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Oh, I totally agree with you. Where we disagree is how many benefits WCE were actually given. You had zone concessions, pre-draft concessions and ordinary draft picks as well. What the new gold coast team is going to get is so small compared to what you got. You should not have been given so much, even Cometti says you were handed those premierships.
You were a cash cow and still are, if you were not going to make money for the VFL then why would they bother spending their own money to set you up?Ignorance is bliss. The 1989 crisis just reflects the supporter mentality of WCE which is if your not winning don't bother. This is reflected by the drop in members in 89, 2001 and most recently 2008. It is proven WCE supporters do not stick around.
The WAFL got no cash injection of WCE, in fact WCE destroyed the WAFL. The VFL set up WCE with the sole purpose of taking over the footy market in WA and destroying the WAFL, after all the two leagues were competitors. Both leagues did need the cash injections, but only one league got it and thats the VFL. The WCE didn't fund the WAFL till very recently, well after it had been destroyed.
This is how sad some supporters are, I don't care that you beat Geelong, I can't even remember it. The reason I'm annoyed is because WCE are a Victorian franchise which destroyed real Western Australian football and history in the WAFL. We have gained nothing and lost everything.
I have no idea if Essendon's 93, 2000, 84/85 or any of their Premierships are recognised in the AFL/VFL Hall of Fame, or anywhere outside my house and Windy Hill, for that matter. I don't know because I care more about mud.
I couldn't give a toss. Why do you care? It's up to your club, it's supporters, and you personally to recognise it, no one else.
Simply put, I give as much of a sh!t about your '92 flag as you do about Essendon's 1984 flag. OK? And I care even less whether or not the AFL recognise anything to do with Essendon - they can go and get f***ed!
I couldn't give a toss. Why do you care? It's up to your club, it's supporters, and you personally to recognise it, no one else.
Simply put, I give as much of a sh!t about your '92 flag as you do about Essendon's 1984 flag. OK? And I care even less whether or not the AFL recognise anything to do with Essendon - they can go and get f***ed!
Yes, WCE winning the first non-Victorian flag should be acknowledged as a significant event in the evolution of the VFL-AFL competition.
But, as I think you can surmise from many of the posts in reply to your original question, it is not recognised as one of the great grand finals (it isn't) or much cherished outside Perth because WCE 1987-1995 were all but a State of Origin team and to this end I think Victorians old enough to remember the period are entitled to discount its significance. ... Actually, you should be grateful it is not more heavily derided as an ugly anomaly of the national expansion of our great game 'cause that's what a state team winning a club based competition is (ugly).
Side bar: what amazed me at the time was that once WC overcame the massive hurdle of traveling 3.5 hrs+ interstate every second week (and this was huge and something pretty new to Australia sport), say 1990-91, they didn't win more than two flags. They had the cattle and the coach between 1990-1996 to win 3-4.
But, as I think you can surmise from many of the posts in reply to your original question, it is not recognised as one of the great grand finals (it isn't) or much cherished outside Perth because WCE 1987-1995 were all but a State of Origin team and to this end I think Victorians old enough to remember the period are entitled to discount its significance. ... Actually, you should be grateful it is not more heavily derided as an ugly anomaly of the national expansion of our great game 'cause that's what a state team winning a club based competition is (ugly).
Side bar: what amazed me at the time was that once WC overcame the massive hurdle of traveling 3.5 hrs+ interstate every second week (and this was huge and something pretty new to Australia sport), say 1990-91, they didn't win more than two flags. They had the cattle and the coach between 1990-1996 to win 3-4.
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Look what a misplaced apostrophe can do to a person.......
But yes, our grand finals do get forgotten, except 1991 because of the whole Waverley Park ordeal and the fact that we lost.
We may have gotten a jump start but 2002-2007 was a very long period of success just based on good drafting not involving the state.
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sympathy bite.
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The reason why the Vic media hate talking about the 92 prem to WCE is because they were all hoping the Geelong dream would come true. After an epic 89 GF loss, the Cats were the darlings of Victoria with all these great players who deserved a premiership. Then the xenophobes had their dream crushed when the might of West Coast and Matera tore up the MCG and took the cup interstate for the first time.
On the arguement that the Eagles 92 and 94 teams were a state side: its funny how when State of Origin gets brought up or the State Under 18's games get brought up, Victorians will always tell you that WA state sides are pathetic compared to Victoria, and that the VFL shits on the WAFL. Yet back in 92 and 94 WA were the powerhouse state side and the Eagles were gifted a premiership.
Which is it you morons - cant have it both ways
sympathy bite.
/munch
The reason why the Vic media hate talking about the 92 prem to WCE is because they were all hoping the Geelong dream would come true. After an epic 89 GF loss, the Cats were the darlings of Victoria with all these great players who deserved a premiership. Then the xenophobes had their dream crushed when the might of West Coast and Matera tore up the MCG and took the cup interstate for the first time.
On the arguement that the Eagles 92 and 94 teams were a state side: its funny how when State of Origin gets brought up or the State Under 18's games get brought up, Victorians will always tell you that WA state sides are pathetic compared to Victoria, and that the VFL shits on the WAFL. Yet back in 92 and 94 WA were the powerhouse state side and the Eagles were gifted a premiership.
Which is it you morons - cant have it both ways
You're not quite all there are you mate?
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On the arguement that the Eagles 92 and 94 teams were a state side: its funny how when State of Origin gets brought up or the State Under 18's games get brought up, Victorians will always tell you that WA state sides are pathetic compared to Victoria, and that the VFL shits on the WAFL. Yet back in 92 and 94 WA were the powerhouse state side and the Eagles were gifted a premiership.
Which is it you morons - cant have it both ways
Well they weren't playing a Victorian state side were they? It was a state side vs club sides.
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Charge your glasses. Happy 16th anniversary '92 Eagles!
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Tend to agree. They under-achieved in that period.
I for once agree with a freo supporter that THe Eagles side of 1992 was the best of the best of what the west have to offer! They should have won more premierships!
Not at all, the problem I have is with idiots....
WGAF? You and I remember how good it was. Who cares what anyone else thinks? People will just change their perception of what happened to make themselves feel better, it is human nature. Almost everyone from Victoria wanted Geelong to win. Therefore, they don't like remembering that we did and like to discount it as much as possible.
Actually, a little off topic, but I find it quite interesting that we have a bunch of supporters from Victoria who stated supporting us at this time just because they liked to support the team that everyone else hated. The fact we were the first credible non-Victorian team actually made us one of the non-Victorian teams with the largest supporter base in Victoria. There are always some people that like the outsider.
Actually, a little off topic, but I find it quite interesting that we have a bunch of supporters from Victoria who stated supporting us at this time just because they liked to support the team that everyone else hated. The fact we were the first credible non-Victorian team actually made us one of the non-Victorian teams with the largest supporter base in Victoria. There are always some people that like the outsider.
sympathy bite.
/munch
The reason why the Vic media hate talking about the 92 prem to WCE is because they were all hoping the Geelong dream would come true. After an epic 89 GF loss, the Cats were the darlings of Victoria with all these great players who deserved a premiership. Then the xenophobes had their dream crushed when the might of West Coast and Matera tore up the MCG and took the cup interstate for the first time.
On the arguement that the Eagles 92 and 94 teams were a state side: its funny how when State of Origin gets brought up or the State Under 18's games get brought up, Victorians will always tell you that WA state sides are pathetic compared to Victoria, and that the VFL shits on the WAFL. Yet back in 92 and 94 WA were the powerhouse state side and the Eagles were gifted a premiership.
Which is it you morons - cant have it both ways
WCE supporters always have this attitude like everyone is against them, WE DON'T CARE, we don't care about what happens to your franchise, WCE are just a franchise, an intermediary between another franchise. NO ONE CARES
Now as to your second argument, clearly someone doesn't understand basic deduction. Victoria is a better football state than WA, but in 1987 Victoria's talent was divided into 11 teams. While WA's talent was divided into 1 franchise. So obviously that would make it unfair against the Victorians as it is a whole state against 1/11th's of Victoria.
(Please remember Victorian clubs did not receive zone concessions anyway, only WCE did and it was the whole state, so your argument isn't really relevant nor understandable)
Maybe for those that don't support one of the AFL teams that were born out of this. But if you support Freo or WC, I would think you would prefer to have them in the big league than be supporting some team in the WAFL as a third rate league (behind the VFL and SANFL).
Actually, many of the best WA players played in the VFL. So, it was not like you got our state side and it became WC. I am sure if you look at the state of origin teams at the time, you will see they were hardly overflowing with WC players.
As a side note, it is not really relevant, just for my own interest, but I thought the Vic clubs still had zone selections back then? Or had they already gotten rid of them?
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Thank you for articulating how a lot of people in this state feel. I hate the Evil and always will, was born and bred and live here but despise them for all the above reasons. They were gifted two flags and now they want a pat on the back, give me a break.
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Hows that GF choke going Linga?
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People have always claimed that the Eagles used to use steriods back in the early nineties, I dont believe it personally, but it was all widely speculated at the time. The Eagles used to look like bodybuilders in comparison to the other teams at that time.
You always know that people have no argument when they go for "stupid" personal comments. Play the ball not the man.
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