where will stkilda finish?

[Stone Cold]

I say the saints will between 7th & 9th!!!!! Depending on luck ( injuries etc)......................

 

[Ausgard]

Originally posted by Falchoon
but above North

But lets be honest here - you bloody well should considering the talent the Saints have. What drags them down is the club being too used to failure while the Roos are too used to success.

Its turning this around that's the big question. I think its more likely that both the saints and the roos have better than expected seasons than for both of them to fail

Originally posted by Falchoon
The only way they'd get a decent youngster. The team that picked Fosdike, Fitzgerald and Bolton before home grown Morrish Medallist Lenny Hayes, and then bleed that they can't keep talent.

I bet it still hurts them

 

[Joffaboy]

Originally posted by mightymax
i am predicting the saints to finish last again

I am predicting minniemax will disappear up his/her/its own orifice.

for riewoldt to be the next st kilda gun to join sydney

Who was the last St.Kilda gun to join Sydney? Barry Hall? Know a bit about footy do you minniemax?

and joffaboy to come out of the closet and confess

that he is a homosexual hawthorn supporter

Are there any other kind of hawthorn supporters? Looking for a bit of rough trade minniemax? Sorry my sexually compromised little troll, I'm not of your persuasion. Mabye you would be happier on a gay chat site. Don't try and pick up on a footy site son.

 

[sainter]

Originally posted by footyman
so defensive and so unfunny - typical Falchoon.

onya maxie, keep up the quality posts.

Hardly surprising that you'd be the only person on bigfooty to think that way.

 

[Destructive]

Bottom 4.

 

[knuckles]

5-8
Penny was a steal IMO.
I see the retention of Burke a bit puzzling. If he plays 20 + games, this is both good and bad. He should have been dumped a season or 2 ago. Game is past him. If he can reinvent himself as a Libba type maybe. Does he have long nails?

 

[Falchoon]

Forward pocket pressurer

 

[MarkT]

The game has not passed Bourke by. He is a very good footballer who has struggled with injury. He is worth another year given the lack of solid senior players at the club. It would be simplistic to think he was keeping a youngster from developing. St.Kilda have some good youngsters but they don't have 22 of them and whether Bourke plays forward, back or on the ball he will not keep a good young kid out of the team. There are other players not as old as Bourke that should be looked at in that light though.

If he has a good year St.Kilda should look at one more. If he doesn't, no matter what the reason, he must be retired no matter what. If St.Kilda finish in the bottom 5, irrespective of Bourke's year he has to be retired. Even if he plays well, St.Kilda have to put together a team of players who will take them into the finals within two years. No ifs or buts. This is where the Saints have to show they are AFL not VFA. It's the difference between seeing out the decade and being consigned to history scrap heap.

 

[Catman]

I said 13th-16th. Every year we hear how good St. Kilda are going to be because they have picked up all these top draft picks. But I think we need to realise, is why are they picking up all these early picks? Because the previous years draftees don't come on and they finish down near the bottom. It is just a continuing cycle and I can see it happening again this year.
Will show brief glimpses but will struggle and with Corn Flakes as coach they wont go far. He isn't much chop as a league coach.

 

[nut]

third with 16 wins.
With powell, Harvey and the youngsters running around in the middle will be very handy. KPP's with the two rising stars fit will see the key postions covered. This will allow Gehrig to play his damaging loose style. Hamel up Forward 60 goals.
Milne 35 + goals as a permanent forward.
Then the Draft picks coming through.
The year of the Saints has Arrived in my opinion.
Early form will see them perched on Top for most of the year being topped by 1 Adelaide 2 Brisbane 3 then the Saints.

 

[st philip]

Mmm....

I think we have the talent to finish between 6th and 10th with injuries deciding exactly where we finish in that range.

If we do worse than 10th, you would want to have the most horendous run of injuries ever known to AFL footy otherwise GT would have to go. Given an avg. run of injuries I would expect a finish as predicted and a good finish to even push 5th or even 4th.

Unlike a lot of forumites, I have seen nearly every game coached by GT and I think he has coached reasonably well given the players he has had to work with. I still think we are one year of development away from really pushing for a premiership, but I have been encouraged by Collingwood's form last year. A solid if unspectacular team, they showed what team work and hard work on the track can do.

I look forward to this year and hope that injuries stay away which will allow us all to evaluate St.Kilda as a club, as a team and a coaching outfit properly.

6th - 10th (depending on avg. injury run)

 

[Malibu#27]

Can anyone tell me how many players on the St Kilda list are their either directly or indirectly (using pre-season draft picks to extort players from other sides) because of St Kilda being rewarded for its lack of success in recent years ?

DOnt know where they will finish but regardless they will finish well above where they deserve to finish.

 

[st philip]

Originally posted by Malibu#27
Can anyone tell me how many players on the St Kilda list are their either directly or indirectly (using pre-season draft picks to extort players from other sides) because of St Kilda being rewarded for its lack of success in recent years ?

DOnt know where they will finish but regardless they will finish well above where they deserve to finish.

98 hayes @ no.11 hardly a lack of success pick
99 beetham @ 9 hardly a lack of success pick (regardless of player)
00 rieoldt - priority pick (lack of success)
00 koschitzke - no.1. draft pick (lack of success)
00 hamill - trade for pick no.4. (received from Port Adelaide for Wakelin) & Sam Cranage - thus not lack of success
00 capuano - trade, direct swap for joe mcclaren
00 gehrig - trade, pick 18 (used by WC for Kerr) & Sierakowski - thus not lack of success
00 lawrence - trade, pick 33 (used by Brisbane on martin pike)
01 ball - no.2. priority pick behind hawkers (who traded croad to freo for no.1. pick) (lack of success)
01 clarke - no.2. pick overall (lack of success)
01 dal santo - trade, for barry hall thus not lack of success
02 goddard - (should have been no.3. but for elliots wicked ways) either way (lack of success)
02 brookes - trade, no.8 (received from hawthorn for peter everitt) and (I think) 24 thus not lack of success

So, of our current list sine 1997 when we played off in a grand final we have had 4 picks (inside top 10 picks) that can be attributed to our lack of success. And if anyone can continue to trumpet the fact that those four players alone, out of a list of 38 plus rookies/veterans is going to get us over the line, you seriously need to re-evaluate your footy understanding.

remember, 97 grandfinalists, 98 finalists, 99 ordinary, 00 failed, 01 failed, 02 failed, 03 we will see.

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by st philip
So, of our list sine 1997 when we played off in a grand final we have had 4 picks (inside top 10 picks) that can be attributed to our lack of success. And if anyone can continue to trumpet the fact that those four players alone, out of a list of 38 plus rookies/veterans is going to get us over the line, you seriously need to re-evaluate your footy understanding.

Five, in last 3 years.

Not four, since 97.

If you don't think 5 of the top 15 players in the last 3 years is going to help you get over the line, considering 2 of them were bonuses moderately successful clubs never get, you need to re-evaluate your own understanding.

Add your pre-season rewards, like Powell, the players you got traded with the threat of taking them preseason, and youll find over half your team is reward for being absolutely crap.

There are many clubs that have not had 5 top 5 picks in the history of the draft, let alone 5 in 3 years.

Lack of success is the ONLY reason St Kilda currently look like even being moderately successful this year.

 

[st philip]

Originally posted by Port01
Five, in last 3 years.

Not four, since 97.

If you don't think 5 of the top 15 players in the last 3 years is going to help you get over the line, considering 2 of them were bonuses moderately successful clubs never get, you need to re-evaluate your own understanding.

Add your pre-season rewards, like Powell, the players you got traded with the threat of taking them preseason, and youll find over half your team is reward for being absolutely crap.

There are many clubs that have not had 5 top 5 picks in the history of the draft, let alone 5 in 3 years.

Lack of success is the ONLY reason St Kilda currently look like even being moderately successful this year.

yes, our lack of success (which has been caused by our own very bad management & last year shocking run of injuries) has meant that we might look to be moderately successful this year, but I thought (whether you agree with it or not) that was the point of the draft. That said, you still need to hold your nerve and not trade your picks for older players if you are going to build a young team capable of holding their own for many years.

further more, you do seriously need help, if you think our or any other team's young kids with no experience or at the very least one to two years of experience are going to come out and win us plenty of games straight away. young kids need time to develop.

I take your point on powell and maybe penny, but powell fell out over contract dispute with melboure in the same manner your fabian fell out with port before going west. We didnt poach him, he left of his own accord and we were in a position (financially) to get him. I would rather not get priority draft picks and win 10 games just missing out on finals football than winning 5 games and just scrapping another priority pick. AND I am yet to meet a st.kilda supporter nay member who would. And before anyone jumps on to my favouritism of missing out on finals football rather than getting a draft pick, i would of course much rather play finals football all together.

Finally, if you think over half our team has been recruited due to being crap, do your own analysis, I think you'll find out how stupid your comment really is.

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by st philip
Finally, if you think over half our team has been recruited due to being crap, do your own analysis, I think you'll find out how stupid your comment really is.

Riewoldt, Kositchtke (sp?), Clarke, Ball, Goddard, Hamill (threat of preseason),Black(same), Powell (no 1 preseason), Penny (threat of preseason).

There is half a first 18 without even trying, there is probably at least one more no 1 preseason pick and a no2 when Freo had no.1, so that would make half a 22. A few other trades I would not be surprised if the pre-season no 1 had a bearing.

Being crap gives you the box seat at the trade table, we have seen that every year with big recruits made when the threat of preseason no 1 is in the air.

Now you may have got some of the trades without having the preseason pick as a threat, but you would have had to pay higher for them I would suggest, and you certainly would not have gotten all of them.

Not really a stupid comment is it?

 

[nut]

Priority picks I dont agree with. Maybe if a side has finished bottom 4 for over 3 seasons then Maybe.

Couldn't believe that Richmond didn't lay down after it was clear we couldn't make the finals.

The rules are in place so use them to your advantage. I would have loved to have another pick in the first round. Call me qwhat you wont but a priority pick would have been great.

 

[st philip]

Originally posted by Port01
Riewoldt, Kositchtke (sp?), Clarke, Ball, Goddard, Hamill (threat of preseason),Black(same), Powell (no 1 preseason), Penny (threat of preseason).

Not really a stupid comment is it?

We will have to agree to disagree, because hamill was a trade for pick.4., and whilst black and penny were supposedly threatening to enter the draft we still did trades for them.

powell we picked up in the draft, penny had decided to come to us regardless but if he had entered the draft we would have only been able to pick up either powelll or penny with our first pick. you can't have your cake and eat it too...

early picks received are for being crap, trades are good team management

 

[MightySaint]

Originally posted by st philip
We will have to agree to disagree, because hamill was a trade for pick.4

I'd have to agree with Port01 on this one. The only reason we got Hammill was because we had trading position in the pre-season draft. Aaron basically made the threat to go to St.Kilda via the pre-season unless he was given more money. The blues said no, then decided to make the trade instead of getting nothing. The same thing would have occured if Richmond, Collingwood or Melbourne was in our position. Aaron would have gone to the club with the #1 pre-season pick (and cap room). Lack of success pick IMO.

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by st philip

early picks received are for being crap, trades are good team management

Trades with the benefit of having first crack in the pre-season are much easier to pull off.

When a team has the chance of either accepting a mediocre deal or losing the player for nothing, which would you choose?

Fremantle got Farmer and McPharlin cheap for being crap. They would never have gotten the same deals without the no 1 preseason pick.

You are aware this was the entire reason they brought in the lottery system, as useless as it turned out to be.

 

[Port01]

I'll add that the only part of the draft/trade system I disagree with is the compensation picks for being REALLY crap.

If a team finishes bottom for 5 years and gets 5 no.1's good luck to them. Giving them extras means that finishing low too much better than finishing midtable.

 

[st philip]

Look, at the end of the day, we all operate under the same system and I would much rather be b!tching about getting 16th draft pick and missing out on the next riewoldt or goddard for the very reason that we all want success.

I just think people need to be more realistic about how bad we have been for only the last 3 years and judge us on a year of performance where injury has not taken toll of our season.

 

[Falchoon]

Originally posted by Port01
Riewoldt, Kositchtke (sp?), Clarke, Ball, Goddard, Hamill (threat of preseason),Black(same), Powell (no 1 preseason), Penny (threat of preseason).

There is half a first 18 without even trying
Not really a stupid comment is it?

So who would we have got if we weren't crap? There'd be 9 spots to fill, it will make a comparison easier if you furnish the names.

 

[Paralowiepower]

17th

 

[noddy]

Think they might improve a couple of places only as i don't think much of there coach,
but you know the Saints if they forget who they are they might even make the eight,