WHERE'S DAN ??

[RogerC]

Okay, firstly, thanks ODNs. I do sometimes wonder what the point of all this is, but every now and then I have to speak my mind about it, even though it doesn't appear to have any effect.

Now, Dan. Nothing much changes, does it? You call me an idiot, you tell me I have no idea, and you invite me to go away. Once again, classy stuff. And again you turn the question of passion into a who-is-better-than-who contest. And you make the same tired claim about giving Carlton credit for winning that you have done a dozen times before. Unless you have some strange new definition of the word "credit" that I'm not aware of, that claim simply isn't true.

I didn't ignore your post-match posts, Dan. I read all of them, and they were pathetic. Doubly so considering the crap you were ladling out before the match. It makes no difference what team they sent out on the ground. They were the better side on the night. I don't think you've said that once. But it is the truth. The game wasn't stolen from you, there were no particular incidents that swung the match. You were outplayed.

I've just double checked. There is not one single post on this thread that pays Carlton any credit at all. Nothing that even comes close. Your reply to Unregistered Scumbag was a masterpiece of misguided arrogance. "dickhead", "moron", "stupid", "no idea". What sort of talk is that? Do you have to resort to personal insults every time someone questions your pronouncements?

And don't you dare try to use Joffa as a comparison. Good Lord! He's the first to credit someone else for a witty post (something I never see you do). He's funny, he's over-the-top, no-one is ever in any doubt when he is just taking the piss, and he rarely plays the man. Everything you gratuitiously quoted of mine with the

thing applies exactly to him.
No-one doubts his passion; it shines through in everything he says.

Look, you can think what you like about me. You can ignore me if you think I am that much beneath contempt. But there's no point replying in the way you just have. All it does is prove over and over again that you are small-minded, petty and arrogant, and that you can't argue a point without including a personal insult.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by RogerC:
They were the better side on the night. I don't think you've said that once.

I've said it dozens of times. Selective reading disorder again, eh?

I said they were the better team on the night, but I also said, quite corectly and unbiasley, that Essendon should not have allowed the team that Carlton put out on the field to win the match.

I'm sick of sanctimonious twits like yourself who try to put me down to big-note yourself. I said Essendon was going to win. We lost. Get over it.

 

[RogerC]

Well, give me some quotes, champ.

I've just spent half an hour tracking down your posts, and from 46 posts (I'm not even certain I got all of them), the best I can find in your favour is a couple of "very good"s, a "played well", a "better in and around the packs", "they were good, they were tough", "great underdog win" and the only quote which was in any way an admission that they were better than you, "they deserved to win". Lukewarm at best. This comprises 6 posts out of the 46. And completely overwhelmed by excuses for Essendon. In all of them, you couldn't help saying either Essendon let them win/lost the match, or Essendon were a better side than Carlton, or that Carlton fluked it.

One of these posts, BTW, was posted this afternoon, way after I got stuck into you. So now we're down to five. And taken in context, they can barely be regarded as gracious.

Dozens of times my arse. And not one "better team on the night" among them.

Before you indulge in your childish name calling again (Sanctimonious twit, eh? Big noting myself, eh? If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black....), try applying a little of the research you seem so keen on.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by RogerC:
Well, give me some quotes, champ.

I've just spent half an hour tracking down your posts, and from 46 posts (I'm not even certain I got all of them), the best I can find in your favour is a couple of "very good"s, a "played well", a "better in and around the packs", "they were good, they were tough", "great underdog win" and the only quote which was in any way an admission that they were better than you, "they deserved to win". Lukewarm at best. This comprises 6 posts out of the 46. And completely overwhelmed by excuses for Essendon. In all of them, you couldn't help saying either Essendon let them win/lost the match, or Essendon were a better side than Carlton, or that Carlton fluked it.

One of these posts, BTW, was posted this afternoon, way after I got stuck into you. So now we're down to five. And taken in context, they can barely be regarded as gracious.

Dozens of times my arse. And not one "better team on the night" among them.

Before you indulge in your childish name calling again (Sanctimonious twit, eh? Big noting myself, eh? If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black....), try applying a little of the research you seem so keen on.

So, in other words, I am right. I challenged you to find posts, and you did which proved I gave the credit for their performance. I have said numerous times they deserved their win on the night. I'm sure if you keep looking you will find them too.

And by the way, how does my calling of you as "sanctimonious" equate to the pot calling the kettle black. You can cal me many things, but one thing you can NEVER call me is sanctimonious.

Now regarding my statement that Essendon "lost" the match, more so than Carlton "won" it. That is hadly a huge statement. One team (Essendon) had far more talent on the field than their opponent. The winning and losing of the match, was really in Essendon's hands. If the Bombers played at their best, they would have won.

Essendon were not at their best, and the Blues won. I've felt the same way when Essendon has beaten a more talented opponent. When the Bombers have done this in the past, the only reason they won, was becausee the more talented opponent wasn't at their best. If they were, then obviously, the more talented team would have won.

Thursday night was no different. Carton were magnificent with their desire, intensity and commitment. They DESERVED to win on the night. But Essendon would be feeling, deep down, that it was their performance (Essendon's perfoermance I mean) that determined the result. If Essendon played at their BEST, then the Bombers would have won. That is hardly a controversial statement. In fact, it is right on the money. Having said that, Carlton were at their best, and were able to take advanatge of Essendon's performance and eek out a wonderful win for themselves.

Really, whenever a talented team loses to a less talented team, they really only have themsevles to blame. If Essendon played to their potential, they would have won the match. That is one of the reasons why the loss was so disappointing. That doesn't mean that the Blues didn't play well. They were great. However, Essendon was the team that affected the outcome. If they played to their potential, they would have won. Don't tell me you disagree with that?

 

[mantis]

The Bombers are obviously the most important club in the AFL, going by the number of topics on them, they are obviously the centre of everyones universe.

If they were insignificant & other clubs didn't feel threatened by them, you would hardly of heard a peep.



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[66MunsterT]

Originally posted by Dan25:

So, in other words, I am right. I challenged you to find posts, and you did which proved I gave the credit for their performance. I have said numerous times they deserved their win on the night. I'm sure if you keep looking you will find them too.

And by the way, how does my calling of you as "sanctimonious" equate to the pot calling the kettle black. You can cal me many things, but one thing you can NEVER call me is sanctimonious.

Now regarding my statement that Essendon "lost" the match, more so than Carlton "won" it. That is hadly a huge statement. One team (Essendon) had far more talent on the field than their opponent. The winning and losing of the match, was really in Essendon's hands. If the Bombers played at their best, they would have won.

Essendon were not at their best, and the Blues won. I've felt the same way when Essendon has beaten a more talented opponent. When the Bombers have done this in the past, the only reason they won, was becausee the more talented opponent wasn't at their best. If they were, then obviously, the more talented team would have won.

Thursday night was no different. Carton were magnificent with their desire, intensity and commitment. They DESERVED to win on the night. But Essendon would be feeling, deep down, that it was their performance (Essendon's perfoermance I mean) that determined the result. If Essendon played at their BEST, then the Bombers would have won. That is hardly a controversial statement. In fact, it is right on the money. Having said that, Carlton were at their best, and were able to take advanatge of Essendon's performance and eek out a wonderful win for themselves.

Really, whenever a talented team loses to a less talented team, they really only have themsevles to blame. If Essendon played to their potential, they would have won the match. That is one of the reasons why the loss was so disappointing. That doesn't mean that the Blues didn't play well. They were great. However, Essendon was the team that affected the outcome. If they played to their potential, they would have won. Don't tell me you disagree with that?

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[Shinboners]

Originally posted by Dan25:
Oh well...... if it's the truth, then its the truth.

So therefore you agree that when it all boils down to it, you have no respect for the other 15 clubs in the AFL?

 

[Dan26]

I never said that. Just because I think some of the traditionally unsuccessful clubs won't reach the level of Essendon in the near future doesn't mean I don't respect them. For what it is worth, i actually respect North (especailly Pagan) more than any other club including Essendon, given what they have been able to do, with what is, in my opinion, an overrated list.

 

[RogerC]

I give up. I surrender. None of what you have said in your last reply to me had anything to do with what I was arguing, but I don't care any more.

So, if it'll please you, I'll say it. Even when a virtually full strength Essendon team loses to an undermanned Carlton, who outplayed them on the night, it still somehow proves that Essendon are the best team in the competition and always were. Essendon could lose every game this year from now on, and they would still be the best team. Because a team is measured by the TALENT running around on the field, regardless of whether that talent can actually win or not.

Happy now?

PS. Thank you for not descending into personal abuse in that last bit. I did notice. Well done.

 

[joshhem]

Yeah anyway...now that we have read everyone's essays on the topic the test will be on friday

It was a great win for Carlton, Geelong, Sydney, Collingwood, Hawthorn, Richmond, Brisbane, Bulldogs, Saints, Melbourne, Port, Fremantle, Adelaide, West Coast and Kangaroos!

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by RogerC:
I give up. I surrender. None of what you have said in your last reply to me had anything to do with what I was arguing, but I don't care any more.

So, if it'll please you, I'll say it. Even when a virtually full strength Essendon team loses to an undermanned Carlton, who outplayed them on the night, it still somehow proves that Essendon are the best team in the competition and always were. Essendon could lose every game this year from now on, and they would still be the best team. Because a team is measured by the TALENT running around on the field, regardless of whether that talent can actually win or not.

Happy now?

PS. Thank you for not descending into personal abuse in that last bit. I did notice. Well done.

Jesus Christ! Am I not entitled to have an opinion? In my opinion, the talent of the Essendon side on the field was far superior to their Carlton counterparts. If you want to disagree with that, then that's your perogative.

Now with the team that they fielded, I am of the opinion that we should not have let them beat us, with the disparity in talent. As time goes on, itmight become apparent that the talent level between the teams is not as great as I think. However, right now, with the exclusions from their side, I firmly believe (as does most of the footbal world) that Essendons side on Thursday was more talented than Carlton's. And it is that reason, why I believe we shouldn't have let them win. If we were at our best, given the disparity of talent, we would have won. We were not at our best, Carlton were (and they were magnificent) and they won the game.

Now, what the hell is your problem? I really am getting tired of this.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The problem, oh ignorant one, is that you claim you give Carlton credit for the win. The problem is that you have made many more comments belittling the Blues effort, than you have acknowledging it. Nobody expects you to say anything nice about the Blues at all. You just had to come on here and make your biased opinions public and the rest of us felt compelled to point out your failings.

Essendon could have, should have, would have....etc, but the PROBLEM was that Carlton did not LET them. The game plan was great and they played their hand perfectly. By your logic of Essendon being the most talented side in the comp, anyone that beats them has not won it but the Bombers lost it. By your logic, every single time you lose, it was a fluke. Now I don't believe that the talent difference is that much between a lot of teams. Essendon have just had the right balance and attitude to wring 100% out of their talent. Now, Scott Lucas was benched after being caned by Kris Massie. Massie does not look as talented as Lucas. His career to date has been patchy at best. Yet there is no doubt he has the talent, he just hasn't been able to produce it. He did on Thursday night. As a footy fan, you should know that a large percentage of football is played between the ears.

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[The Old Dark Navy's]

Originally posted by Dan25:
For what it is worth, i actually respect North (especailly Pagan) more than any other club including Essendon, given what they have been able to do, with what is, in my opinion, an overrated list.

Another backhanded compliment! HAHAHAHA

It never ends does it?

Hey Dan, tell me again why you have so many detractors on this board, both young and old, newcomers and long timers? Are they all biaised against you? Why doesn't anybody have a problem with Stealth Bombers and Dutchman, who are both intelligent and articulate? Why do some of your fellow Bomber fans wish you would stop making some of the statements you do? Is it because, against the odds, you are the only person that is 100% right all of the time? HA!!! And you get angry that somebody has a problem with you? HAHAHA! Must be nice in your little world of Dan!

To quote Little River Band:

What's it like inside the bubble?
Does your head ever give you trouble?
It's no sin, trade it in.
Hang on, help is on its way......

Go on, get angry with me....I'm turning into Joffa here...ROTFLMAO LOL LOL LOL LOL

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Originally posted by mantis:
The Bombers are obviously the most important club in the AFL, going by the number of topics on them, they are obviously the centre of everyones universe.

If they were insignificant & other clubs didn't feel threatened by them, you would hardly of heard a peep.

Sure Sandie, except half the topics are arguments involving Dan who embarrasses even his fellow Bomber fans with his self righteous opinions. This would have died by now, except Dan and his vanity refuse to see any sense at all.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's:
Another backhanded compliment! HAHAHAHA

That is NOT a backhanded compliment. You can ask Shinboners himself, and he will confirm for you my respect for Denis Pagan and what he has been able to achieve with the Kangaroos.

Am I actually not allowed to show faith in my team? Am I not allowed to give credit to another team (in this case North), because if I do, I get accused of being derisive. Almost as if I am not being honest. Grow up a bit, will you.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by The Old Dark Navy's:
The problem, oh ignorant one, is that you claim you give Carlton credit for the win. The problem is that you have made many more comments belittling the Blues effort, than you have acknowledging it.

Rubbish. I have complemented Carlton in early every post. I have admitted at the same time, that Essendon "lost" the match, more so than the Blues "won" it, such was the differecne in talent, but I have complemented Carlton at the same time.

If you look at Essendon's last 4 losses, 3 of them, I believe we really should have won, while one of them we completely deserved to lose, even if we had played at our best.

Round 3 2001 vs Carlton Of the 4 losses, this was the one where the talent disparity was at it's biggest. Essendon really should not have lost the game, with the players Carlton had out. Essendo deserved to lose given how they played. W were very poor. Carlton were admittedly very good.

Round 21 2000 vs Bulldgos Essendon led by 25 points midway through the last quarter. Really should't have lost from there. The Bulldogs were more committed and desperate and deserved to win, but Essendon were not at their best, and would have won if they were as committed as the Dogs that night.

prelim vs Carlton 9 more scoring shots, and a more talented team. This was legitimately unlucky.

Round 15 1999 vs Port Lost by 37 points. Had Hird, Lloyd Lucas and Riloi out of the forward line. Port made the finals in 1999, and given the home ground advanatge at Footy park, and our exclusions, we wouldn't have won, even if we had played at our best. Our talent level in that match was not good enough to match it with Port for that one match. Port fully deserved to win and they would have won, even if the Bombers had played to their optimum level.

I have also admitted time and time again, that the Blues deserved to win on Thursday night. Essendon didn't deserve to win, given how they played. But really, with the talent Carlton had out, Essendon should have won that match. They should have played beter than what they did. When you have the talent that we do, you really should win most weeks, but there are going to be weeks, when we are not at our best, and the team loses. Sometimes you come up against a team that is more desperate.