Opinion Who is the most 'complete' player?

[Worm4]

I think once the ball hits the ground, it's advantage Team Daicos, no matter who the oppo is

Its not the oppo we are concerned about, its his team mates

 

[Retzlaff]

Instead of State of Origin, I'd pay to see Bont take on 100 Bailey Banfields.

All gate proceeds could go to Scott Pendlebury

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Scott Pendlebury

Age

38

Ht

191cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.5

5star

K

13.2

5star

HB

13.3

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

12.9

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

3star

CL

3.6

4star

D

12.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

4.8

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

2.6

4star

.

 

[RonnieRaven]

I've yet to see the complete player.

Gaz Jnr the most complete player I’ve seen
executed all football skills very well
Just lacked physical height

 

[South of the Yarra]

Team Carey's would torch the lot of them.

Until the team of Nathan Buckley’s tear him apart, like he did when he played on him.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Stack sure was fun to watch

Can you think of a more complete 18-19yo player?

Or any player of any age that was more completely equipped for AFL football?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Gaz Jnr the most complete player I’ve seen
executed all football skills very well
Just lacked physical height

How can a player who can't take overhead marks Sydney Stack style be the most "complete" player you have seen? Did Gaz Jnr ever execute the perfect bump on someone Sydney Stack style?

I don't think so.

 

[RCAB]

Who's Sydney Stack

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Sydney Stack

Age

26

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.7

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

3.0

5star

MG

202.0

3star

D

9.8

2star

K

3.4

1star

HB

6.4

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.8

4star

MG

133.0

2star

D

16.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

9.0

5star

M

5.6

5star

T

3.0

5star

MG

227.4

4star

?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Who's Sydney Stack?

This dude:



Yet another thing a player would need to master to be more complete than Sydney Stack in the modern context.

You blokes are seriously struggling to come up with any reason Stack in 2019 is not the most complete footballer of all time.

 

[RCAB]

This dude:

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Yet another thing a player would need to master to be more complete than Sydney Stack in the modern context.

You blokes are seriously struggling to come up with any reason Stack in 2019 is not the most complete footballer of all time.

I think your takes a worse than Fadge.

The most complete footballer of all time is currently struggling to play seniors in the WAFL and is mainly in the reserves for Swans District, where he can't get more than 20 possessions or score any goals.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Daicos really shouldn’t be on this list. Tissue paper would put in a better defensive effort than him. He would get absolutely cut up.

Jackson for mine.

Elite contested mark though.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I think your takes a worse than Fadge.

The most complete footballer of all time is currently struggling to play seniors in the WAFL and is mainly in the reserves for Swans District, where he can't get more than 20 possessions or score any goals.

I didn't submit the current version of Sydney Stack to this thread. He has sadly not been able to reproduce his 18-19yo best, due to issues likely stemming from his life prior to being drafted.

I submitted the 2019 version when he was 18-19yo.

Show me a player who was better equipped than he was....the evidence is all there in the footage, none of it is invented. He really did all those things when he was 18 and 19.

 

[RCAB]

I didn't submit the current version of Sydney Stack to this thread. He has sadly not been able to reproduce his 18-19yo best, due to issues likely stemming from his life prior to being drafted.

I submitted the 2019 version when he was 18-19yo.

Show me a player who was better equipped than he was....the evidence is all there in the footage, none of it is invented. He really did all those things when he was 18 and 19.

There are 17 other clubs in the AFL.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

There are 17 other clubs in the AFL.

The thread is about how complete a player is.

I take that as meaning how complete a range of skills and weapons does/did he possess.

So from the 17 other clubs, first show me a more complete 18/19yo than Sydney Stack. Or any young player for that matter.

If you can't achieve that, then you are invited to look through the histories of the other 17 clubs to see if you can locate any more complete footballer than Sydney Stack in 2019, and they can be of any age.

But please, do as I do, and bring evidence, not weak opinions. This thread is not asking for the best or most successful footballer. It is asking for the most complete footballer. To match my submission on 18-19yo version Stack they need to demonstrate:

• great kicking including touch passes, power torpedoes, pentration.
• total fearless courage, including backing into packs to take marks, and actually accelerating when you are facing a known tough player coming towards you at speed.
• Great high marking.
• one touch ball handling, even in heavy traffic on ground or in the air.
• ferocious but completely fair attack on ball and player.
• high speed.
• great evasive skill
• strength
• vision

Don't tell me there are 17 other teams, Fadge is a one eyed clown etc. Just demonstrate a more completely equipped player at the same age, or if you can't(you won't be able to) then one of any age.

 

[Suburbanhack]

Bont by the absolute length of the straight. Ticks every single box. Elite kick, great mark, runs all day, hits the scoreboard, tough (as in plays through injury, never shirks a contest rather than ‘faux’ tough by belting blokes, taking cheap shots etc) and is great leader. While maybe not part of the ‘complete’ criteria, he doesn’t stage for frees, over celebrate or generally carry on like a goose. If picking one current player in their prime its Bont hands down. Still can’t believe my club didn’t draft him when they had the chance.

 

[Callipygian]

Hey, I came up with this idea a few days ago with Team Goodes, Team Pavlich and Team Bont

My idea has been stolen

Sorry RUNVS - I have not seen that thread. I don't come to the main board much and didn't go searching for similar threads.

I thought about including players like Dawson, the Wizard and Butters in the poll but I decided they weren't genuine contenders (granted, you could probably say that about Gawn and Kozzie too), although Dawson is a pretty versatile (and obviously very good) player.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Bont by the absolute length of the straight. Ticks every single box. Elite kick, great mark, runs all day, hits the scoreboard, tough (as in plays through injury, never shirks a contest rather than ‘faux’ tough by belting blokes, taking cheap shots etc) and is great leader. While maybe not part of the ‘complete’ criteria, he doesn’t stage for frees, over celebrate or generally carry on like a goose. If picking one current player in their prime its Bont hands down. Still can’t believe my club didn’t draft him when they had the chance.

Bont of the current AFL players a great call. Still never seen him run through someone with a perfect hip and shoulder, of sit on shoulders taking hangers or weave through traffic at speed, so I think 18-19yo version Sydney still has the Bont covered pretty comfortably.

 

[Callipygian]

Not that relevant but I have often wondered which team would win out of a under 178cm team and an over 196cm team.

So take the best players in the AFL 178cm and under and take the best players in the AFL who are 196cm and over and play a match.

I think I'd prefer that to State of Origin. However surely you have to increase the 178 cm a little bit? Wouldn't there be more players 196 cm and over than there are 178 cm and under?

 

[Shane Heard]

Team Daicos...Expect zero defensive pressure and maximum internal friction. The heat map will show 100% activity in each other's faces demanding the ball, while the tackle count will struggle to cross 0

Yes…like a bunch of Meercats running around being cautious.

 

[Shane Heard]

Team David Rys-Jones

All 6’3 wingers playing in every position and belting opponents.

Doesn’t matter if one or two get reported every week. Just replace them from 2nds with more DRJs

 

[Callipygian]

My nomination is at least in part, serious.

In 2019 Richmond had an 18yo named Sydney Stack playing for them. He was recruited via the SSP after missing out on being drafted due to difficulties meeting the standards required for an AFL footballer. Turning up at an U/18 WA team meeting with a box of Kentucky Fried chicken after a day on the tools was just one of what we believe are many examples of this.

His troubles are well documented and sad beyond belief. The game was robbed of an incredible talent, who in terms of football skills and actions, could do everything well, and I mean absolutely everything and very well. He is the toughest 18yo player I have ever seen, and possibly the toughest I will ever see. Pound for pound it becomes completely unarguable. He was fast, could sit on people's heads to take marks, kick massive torps, was a fantastic exponent of all types of kicks, could play well enough forward to kick 4 in a competitive game, and looked like he was born doing it when he played back.

In the highlights below you will see Puopolo couldn't tackle him, Naughton got outmarked by him, Viney tried to crash through him and that very definitely did not end well for Viney.

Just keep reminding yourself throughout this clip, this player is 18 or just 19 and in his first year in the AFL. In fact in all these highlights he would still be in his first 6 months or so of being officially on the list.

He was the top rated first year player comfortably, and get a look at some of the other names rated below him....

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Try to get your head around this guy being 18 or 19 in these highlights, and compare that with what we are seeing from certain young players since that commentators fawn endlessly over. If they all play each other as 18yo's, I don't care who you submit, a team of Sydney Stacks would smash any of them. He is comfortably the most complete young player I have seen.

That is a great highlight reel for any player. Considering it is based on a sample size of just 17 games and for a first year (18 year old) player, it is uber-impressive! He also has a great name: "Stack". Thanks very much for sharing.

How it stacks up against other players at the same stage of their career is hard to say. Some others to consider: Nathan Buckley, Marcus Bontempelli, Isaac Heeney, Adam Goodes, Jaeger O'Meara, and Ben Cousins. I'm not going to invest the time to compare their stats and watch their tapes, but they're names that come to mind.

As for a player of any age currently playing, I'd rate most of the players listed in the poll as better and equally 'complete'. Just taking Isaac Heeney: he's got a better aerial game, he's got the physical toughness (although perhaps not the same level of ferocity), he's a better goalkicker (on both feet), I'd be fairly certain his running power would be significantly superior, he has greater leadership, he's got super-clean hands, his footy craft (informed by an extra 10 seasons compared to Stack) is more developed etc. etc.

As for a player of any age from any era, well, that's just too hard.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

That is a great highlight reel for any player. Considering it is based on a sample size of just 17 games and for a first year (18 year old) player, it is uber-impressive! He also has a great name: "Stack". Thanks very much for sharing.

How it stacks up against other players at the same stage of their career is hard to say. Some others to consider: Nathan Buckley, Marcus Bontempelli, Isaac Heeney, Adam Goodes, Jaeger O'Meara, and Ben Cousins. I'm not going to invest the time to compare their stats and watch their tapes, but they're names that come to mind.

As for a player of any age currently playing, I'd rate most of the players listed in the poll as better and equally 'complete'. Just taking Isaac Heeney: he's got a better aerial game, he's got the physical toughness (although perhaps not the same level of ferocity), he's a better goalkicker (on both feet), I'd be fairly certain his running power would be significantly superior, he has greater leadership, he's got super-clean hands, his footy craft (informed by an extra 10 seasons compared to Stack) is more developed etc. etc.

As for a player of any age from any era, well, that's just too hard.

To be fair, there are players listed in the poll on this thread who have barely ever won a contest(Daicos, Cameron) never weaved through traffic at speed, never taken high leaping pack marks, never been seen kicking huge torps or totally fairly running through opponents in contests. Much less at 18-19yo.

Stack could kick, could kick goals, he could basically do everything on a footy field to a high standard except ruck hitouts. And you cannot get a tougher or more fearless player than Sydney Stack in 2019. I have seen lots of great young players who were fantastic from a young age, but I have never seen one with a more complete game than Stack in 2019.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

There are other clubs besides Richmond, Meteoric Fadge.

What was Stack missing in his game in 2019 exactly?

 

[Lingsface]

What was Stack missing in his game in 2019 exactly?

A Brownlow vote

 

[Meteoric Rise]

A Brownlow vote

I see my nomination has thrown you just like almost everyone else here. Because it was unexpected. Not because it was wrong.

You are using a measure normally applied to how good a player is. The thread is about how complete a player is.

Nobody seems to be able to say where I am going wrong here, just that I am wrong.

Who else can you show who has a greater array of useful football actions to display than Sydney Stack 2019?

People are laughing is disbelief due to the nomination being so unexpected. But I am serious, and have provided very good evidence to support my nomination.

Just start from what attributes you want a footballer to have, speed, skill, courage, strength, daring, fairness(not trying to scam frees or unfairly contest the ball.). Any more you care to mention.

Then add in the abilities you want him to display: kicking touch, kicking penetration, high marking, tackling, bumping, evasion, vision, decision making.

Add any others you want. And then show me which footballer has demonstrated all of those better than Sydney Stack in 2019. When he was 18-19yo.

Richmond had a horrendous run of absences from its senior players in 2019.

Ellis, Martin, Rioli all missed 2 games.

Astbury, Houli missed 3.

Lambert missed 4

Graham missed 6.

Short missed 10.

Cotchin missed 11.

Riewoldt missed 12.

Higgins season was terminated early by brain surgery missing double figures matches.

Nankervis missed 13.

Jack Ross missed about half the season with a broken foot.

Rance missed 24 games.


Part of the reason Richmond managed to lose as few as 6 games and finish top 4, which probably enabled them to win the flag, was Sydney Stack's performances, before he himself was injured late in the season, making him miss out on AFL finals.

It is easy to forget or overlook all this due to susequent events in his life. But it occurred. I did not make it up and the things Stack demonstrated on the football field that year absolutely belong on this thread.

 

[Lingsface]

I see my nomination has thrown you just like almost everyone else here. Because it was unexpected. Not because it was wrong.

You are using a measure normally applied to how good a player is. The thread is about how complete a player is.

Nobody seems to be able to say where I am going wrong here, just that I am wrong.

Who else can you show who has a greater array of useful football actions to display than Sydney Stack 2019?

People are laughing is disbelief due to the nomination being so unexpected. But I am serious, and have provided very good evidence to support my nomination.

Just start from what attributes you want a footballer to have, speed, skill, courage, strength, daring, fairness(not trying to scam frees or unfairly contest the ball.). Any more you care to mention.

Then add in the abilities you want him to display: kicking touch, kicking penetration, high marking, tackling, bumping, evasion, vision, decision making.

Add any others you want. And then show me which footballer has demonstrated all of those better than Sydney Stack in 2019. When he was 18-19yo.

Richmond had a horrendous run of absences from its senior players in 2019.

Ellis, Martin, Rioli all missed 2 games.

Astbury, Houli missed 3.

Lambert missed 4

Graham missed 6.

Short missed 10.

Cotchin missed 11.

Riewoldt missed 12.

Higgins season was terminated early by brain surgery missing double figures matches.

Nankervis missed 13.

Jack Ross missed about half the season with a broken foot.

Rance missed 24 games.


Part of the reason Richmond managed to lose as few as 6 games and finish top 4, which probably enabled them to win the flag, was Sydney Stack's performances, before he himself was injured late in the season, making him miss out on AFL finals.

It is easy to forget or overlook all this due to susequent events in his life. But it occurred. I did not make it up and the things Stack demonstrated on the football field that year absolutely belong on this thread.

I have no reply because he was so far off being the complete footballer.