Who wants a Republic?

[Roylion]

When the rules of succession were changed to allow an older sister to take the throne over a younger brother all members of the Realm agreed, otherwise the crowns of the various nations could have gone to different people - depending on interpretation of untested law. I can't recall if legislation had to pass parliaments.

The State Governments used section 51 of the Australian Constitution to allow the Commonwealth Parliament to alter the Treason Act 1351, the Bill of Rights 1689, the Act of Settlement 1701, the Acts of Union 1707, the Act of Union 1800 and to repeal the Royal Marriages Act of 1772, as they are now laws of the Commonwealth of Australia, the Australian states and territories. Australian states have relationships with the Crown which are independent of the Commonwealth and as such each state had to pass their own acts to request the Federal Government to legislate on their behalf. For example Victoria passed their Succession to the Crown (Request) Act in 2013.

 

[tandino]

The State Governments used section 51 of the Australian Constitution to allow the Commonwealth Parliament to alter the Treason Act 1351, the Bill of Rights 1689, the Act of Settlement 1701, the Acts of Union 1707, the Act of Union 1800 and to repeal the Royal Marriages Act of 1772, as they are now laws of the Commonwealth of Australia, the Australian states and territories. Australian states have relationships with the Crown which are independent of the Commonwealth and as such each state had to pass their own acts to request the Federal Government to legislate on their behalf. For example Victoria passed their Succession to the Crown (Request) Act in 2013.

Did Queensland go their own way in 2013? In the sense of legislating in their own right as opposed to deferring to the Commonwealth? I seem to remember talk of that nature going on at the time

 

[Roylion]

Did Queensland go their own way in 2013? In the sense of legislating in their own right as opposed to deferring to the Commonwealth? I seem to remember talk of that nature going on at the time

They did. But also in Act they said...

"Request for Commonwealth legislation
The Parliament requests the enactment by the Parliament of the Commonwealth of an Act in the terms, or substantially in the terms, set out in schedule 1."

 

[Power Raid]

When an MP who must be a citizen and not a dual citizen pledges allegiance to the head of state it won’t be a foreigner

So racism and fear of aliens is the driver?

Surely we could move forward positively on this be it our elected officials or appointed.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

So racism and fear of aliens is the driver?

Surely we could move forward positively on this be it our elected officials or appointed.

Racists side with the monarchy. Australia looks more Asian and black with each passing year. White is locked in for the next three kings.

 

[its free real estate]

Racists side with the monarchy. Australia looks more Asian and black with each passing year. White is locked in for the next three kings.

What’s wrong with that?

I know you’re so physically repulsive you’ll never have children, but that doesn’t necessary ethnic self-loathing.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

What’s wrong with that?

I know you’re so physically repulsive you’ll never have children, but that doesn’t necessary ethnic self-loathing.

What's wrong with being racist? Your fellow travellers use the monarchy as a politically correct badge of pride.

 

[its free real estate]

What's wrong with being racist? Your fellow travellers use the monarchy as a politically correct badge of pride.

What’s wrong with the head of state of a country being white?

 

[tandino]

Whites own 90% of the country and are around 90% of the population so we're not going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Pessimistic]

So racism and fear of aliens is the driver?

Surely we could move forward positively on this be it our elected officials or appointed.

Apart from you going off on a ridiculous tangent, I’m British and dual national

 

[GoldenSky]

Haha at Shorten on the weekend. Faifax interview says he wants merit and hardwork to be people's "passport" in life.

At the same time, states to the media on the weekend that he has already determined the next GG must be of a certain gender.

Such a moron.

Now, apart from that brain-fade, why on earth would he make this a big deal when we have had a female GG in recent times anyway (who just happened to be his mother in law...nice marrying up, Bill!)?

Only answer is he is already crawling back from his commitment to hold a vote on an Australian Republic...progressive virtue signalling regarding the next GG to mask his eventual backdown.

A vote on a republic will chew through Bills already limited political capital, and if he campaigns Yes and the vote is likely No...he will be humiliated.

 

[Pessimistic]

Haha at Shorten on the weekend. Faifax interview says he wants merit and hardwork to be people's "passport" in life.

At the same time, states to the media on the weekend that he has already determined the next GG must be of a certain gender.

Such a moron.

Now, apart from that brain-fade, why on earth would he make this a big deal when we have had a female GG in recent times anyway (who just happened to be his mother in law...nice marrying up, Bill!)?

Only answer is he is already crawling back from his commitment to hold a vote on an Australian Republic...progressive virtue signalling regarding the next GG to mask his eventual backdown.

A vote on a republic will chew through Bills already limited political capital, and if he campaigns Yes and the vote is likely No...he will be humiliated.

It’s a dead cert when Madge and all the ten pound poms here are that....dead

 

[GoldenSky]

It’s a dead cert when Madge and all the ten pound poms here are that....dead

Fine by me. Royal family has been captured by the UK's metropolitan elite. Can't wait to say goodbye to sanctimonious William and his deadbeat brother with that awful wife of his, lol.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Palace 'considered making Prince Harry Australia's governor-general'

Palace officials considered a proposal to make Prince Harry the Governor-General of Australia, according to a British newspaper report.

The Sunday Times wrote that the royals had been looking at long-term plans for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex after their baby – due any day – is born.

“There have been various ideas floated for them to take on a job abroad, such as governor-general of Australia or Canada,” the newspaper reported a “close confidant of the Dukes of Cambridge and Sussex” had confided.

...

“Making Harry governor-general of Australia was discussed and dismissed,” it reported. “The problems were obvious… you effectively set them up as king and queen of a whole separate country.

“And 24-hour media means that Australia is not as far away as it used to be.”

https://www.theage.com.au/world/eur...ralia-s-governor-general-20190421-p51g0r.html

 

[tandino]

Really time for the Queen to sit Meghen down and tell her to pull her head in.

 

[Pessimistic]

So we believe the crap the British press is doling out ‘ a close associate’ etc

 

[Gough]

Palace 'considered making Prince Harry Australia's governor-general'

He found out how expensive blow is out here and decided against it.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

So we believe the crap the British press is doling out ‘ a close associate’ etc

It's a real newspaper not The Sun.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

He found out how expensive blow is out here and decided against it.

As if he'd be paying for it.

 

[GoldenSky]

Who wants a republic?

Not many according to this latest polling:

https://thewest.com.au/politics/fed...nterested-in-shift-to-republic-ng-b881188558z

A total of 49 per cent of voters in Cowan, 51 per cent of voters in Pearce and 44 per cent in Swan are against the nation becoming a republic. This compares to 34 per cent of voters in Cowan who are for removing the Queen as our head of state, 25 per cent in Pearce and 37 per cent in Swan.

Shorten is already unpopular and will barely scrape over the line as an incoming Prime Minister. Does he have the political capital to burn on a first term republic initiative when it is so unpopular, even in average, swinging electorates?

 

[tandino]

I don't think any of today's politicians have what it takes to get that sort of reform over the line.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Labor is a republican party. Shorten will do something. Good way to flare up the right wing nut jobs on the Liberal benches and reminds voters what they really are.

 

[Power Raid]

Labor is a republican party. Shorten will do something. Good way to flare up the right wing nut jobs on the Liberal benches and reminds voters what they really are.

easier said than done. As it's not about getting rid of the queen.

I'm pro becoming a republic but creating a clean fresh constitution is no easy task with all the agreements with the states and internationally, along with the requirement for thousands of high court case precedents to be re-run.

This is a multi billion dollar exercise with the biggest cost being damages

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Prince Andrew groped young woman's breast at Epstein house, court files allege

Prince accused of touching young woman’s breast
Allegation contained within files in Ghislaine Maxwell case

Victoria Bekiempis in New York and Jim Waterson in London
Fri 9 Aug 2019 23.26 BST

Prince Andrew was accused in court documents of touching a young woman’s breast at the Manhattan mansion of Jeffrey Epstein, the wealthy financier now facing federal sex trafficking charges in New York.

The allegation was contained within a tranche of just unsealed court papers in a defamation case involving Ghislaine Maxwell, a British socialite and media heiress accused of procuring underage girls for Epstein and his social circle of the rich, famous and powerful.

Maxwell was sued by Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre in 2015. Giuffre alleged that Maxwell defamed her by claiming she was a liar. Giuffre had also alleged that Epstein coerced her into sexual encounters with Prince Andrew.

Buckingham Palace has repeatedly denied Giuffre’s allegations. In a highly unusual statement issued in 2015, Buckingham Palace said “any suggestion of impropriety with underage minors is categorically untrue” and explicitly denied Prince Andrew ever had sexual contact with Giuffre.

“It is emphatically denied that the Duke of York had any form of sexual contact or relationship with [Giuffre]. The allegations made are false and without any foundation,” the royal household later added.

Documents filed by Giuffre’s lawyers cite a deposition of Joanna Sjoberg, who also accused Maxwell of bringing her to Epstein.

Sjoberg’s deposition testimony, Giuffre’s lawyers said, described allegations involving Prince Andrew.

“Ms Sjoberg also testified about sexual acts that occurred with her, Prince Andrew, and Ms Giuffre, when she and [Maxwell] were staying at Epstein’s Manhattan mansion,” Giuffre’s lawyers said in the document, which was filed in January 2017.

Sjoberg testified, per court documents: “I just remember someone suggesting a photo, and they told us to go get on the couch. And so Andrew and Virginia sat on the couch, and they put the puppet, the puppet on her lap. And so then I sat on Andrew’s lap, and I believe on my own volition, and they took the puppet’s hands and put it on Virginia’s breast, and so Andrew put his on mine.”

Giuffre’s lawyers said: “Ms Sjoberg’s testimony corroborates Ms Giuffre’s account of how defendant recruited her (and others) under a ruse of a legitimate job in order to bring them into the household to have sex with Epstein.”

Giuffre has alleged that Epstein began sexually abusing her when she was 16.

The document also contains a photo which, Guiffre’s attorneys say, shows Andrew “with his hand around Ms Giuffre’s bare waist while she was a minor child, while posing with [Maxwell], inside [Maxwell’s] house in London.”

The lawyers said in the papers: “This particular photograph corroborates Ms Giuffre’s claims, and there is no other reasonable explanation why an American child should be in the company of adults not her kin, in the London house owned by the girlfriend of a now convicted sex offender.”

Maxwell’s lawyer did not respond to three requests for comment. Giuffre’s attorneys did not comment. Epstein’s lawyers did not respond to requests for comment.

Maxwell has denied the allegations.

The southern district of New York, which is prosecuting Epstein for alleged sex trafficking, said: “We’re not a party to this litigation so we can’t comment.” Epstein, who has been jailed since his arrest, has pleaded not guilty in the case.

Prince Andrew groped young woman's breast at Epstein house, court files allege

Prince accused in court documents of touching young woman’s breast at Manhattan mansion of financier now facing sex trafficking charges

www.theguardian.com

 

[medusala]

Racists side with the monarchy.

Dont have an argument, scream racism