Who was more impressive last year - Walker or Curnow?

[Moe Ron]

I'm interested in what people will say on this. Last year Charlie Curnow

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Charlie Curnow

Age

27

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.3

3star

K

9.7

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

10.8

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.8

4star

and Taylor Walker

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Taylor Walker

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

5.7

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

2.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

1.6

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.6

5star

battled it out for the Coleman. Curnow scored a total of 78 goals and pipped Walker at the post, who scored a total of 76 goals.

Curnow won the Coleman so that's clear cut. And I actually rate Curnow, he's a dynamic forward, can change games and is exciting to watch, so this is not a dig at him.

My questions is, who was more impressive out of Walker and Curnow?

The reason I ask this question is because of the distribution of goals to other players in each team is different. If you look at the top 10 goal kickers in each team for 2023, the distribution of goals is more evenly spread within the Crows compared to Carlton. Looking at both totals and averages...and averages may be a better stat as a lot of Carlton players played less games):






I'd say both Walker and Curnow would get the best defenders on them most of the time. I'm guessing that the Carlton midfield group is better than ours (I haven't checked the stats for 2023 but just going off of the names) so you'd imagine their inside 50's may be better? (again haven't checked total inside 50's and conversion to goals etc).

So is it more impressive that Walker could kick approximately the same amount of goals with more goal kickers around him, or is Curnow more impressive as a bigger outlier amongst the group of goal scorers at Carlton?

*I think I just need a thread to distract me from our start to the season

 

[WetCrow1991]

Easy, Walker. Curnow had a great season, but he also got an armchair ride from the umpires, which Walker did not. It is not even close. I know that the stats alone don't mean everything, I watched most of Carlton's games and to my eye Curnow got a lot of soft ones.

Walker Home and Away 2023:
18 FF
27 FA

Curnow Home and Away 2023:
38 FF
20 FA

 

[arrowman]

I'd like to see goal assist and score involvement stats. I expect Walker might win that one.

 

[FR0GGY]

I’m happy to retrospectively award him the Coleman.

 

[1970crow]

I'd like to see goal assist and score involvement stats. I expect Walker might win that one.

That and remove any double ups against Roos and Eagles.

 

[Moe Ron]

I'd like to see goal assist and score involvement stats. I expect Walker might win that one.

Like it's even on the score assists, but Walker a little ahead in the score involvements (average not total because Walker played less games).

 

[Red mist]

Probably Walker as he’s an old * compared to Curnow who is a younger *.

 

[Anzacpaul]

Walker would've kicked 90+ if he was looked after as much as Curnow was.

 

[John Who]

I'm interested in what people will say on this. Last year Charlie Curnow and Taylor Walker battled it out for the Coleman. Curnow scored a total of 78 goals and pipped Walker at the post, who scored a total of 76 goals.

Curnow won the Coleman so that's clear cut. And I actually rate Curnow, he's a dynamic forward, can change games and is exciting to watch, so this is not a dig at him.

My questions is, who was more impressive out of Walker and Curnow?

The reason I ask this question is because of the distribution of goals to other players in each team is different. If you look at the top 10 goal kickers in each team for 2023, the distribution of goals is more evenly spread within the Crows compared to Carlton. Looking at both totals and averages...and averages may be a better stat as a lot of Carlton players played less games):

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I'd say both Walker and Curnow would get the best defenders on them most of the time. I'm guessing that the Carlton midfield group is better than ours (I haven't checked the stats for 2023 but just going off of the names) so you'd imagine their inside 50's may be better? (again haven't checked total inside 50's and conversion to goals etc).

So is it more impressive that Walker could kick approximately the same amount of goals with more goal kickers around him, or is Curnow more impressive as a bigger outlier amongst the group of goal scorers at Carlton?

*I think I just need a thread to distract me from our start to the season

I made a thread on the main board end of last year:

Should the Coleman medal be more than just about the most goals kicked by a forward?

The Coleman medal is pretty much as simple as “most goals kicked by a forward in the minor rounds”. With the goals tally being very close this year with Tex (76 goals) and Curnow (78 goals), it’s got me thinking whether there should be some additional criteria or perhaps a fan vote to determine...

www.bigfooty.com

Got a lot of hate by Carlton fans and Tex-haters for bringing up this similar discussion.
Embarrassing how some Crows fans on that thread thought the discussion was cringe, when other supporters were chiming in and thinking Tex deserved it more as he had roughly half the amount of free kicks than Curnow.

 

[CrowToon]

If Walker plays the extra game and kicks his average he wins the medal.

He also gets involved in the scoring more, had more genuine goalscorers around him and did the rucking up forward more consistently.

 

[Coopers]

Tex had a couple years there (when they were hot on "goal assists" or whatever the metric was) where the sum of goals + goal assists was a lot higher than the next person. Those were years he was quite high up in the coleman too.

No AA those years though! I am salty about it. Ra ra VFL.

 

[1970crow]

Tex had a couple years there (when they were hot on "goal assists" or whatever the metric was) where the sum of goals + goal assists was a lot higher than the next person. Those were years he was quite high up in the coleman too.

No AA those years though! I am salty about it. Ra ra VFL.

I don't think that's correct. The years where he was among the 3-4 AA key forwards he was beaten in the combined stat by the AA winners.