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Why did Mcleod play?
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Hart got to 300. He also played every game for which he was fit in his last year.
Yes, he was delisted against his wishes at the end of the year. That's the appropriate time to make brutal decisions (as I previously stated). When it comes to delistings, there really isn't a lot of room for sentimentality - particularly with list sizes as small as they are now. During the season is entirely another matter.
Where is the valid comparison?
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Very harsh saying McLeod must go. \
Came back too early from injury imo. An injury that has effected him since the Hall of Fame game. Since then his form has been poor. But prior to that he had been very good I think.
Came back too early from injury imo. An injury that has effected him since the Hall of Fame game. Since then his form has been poor. But prior to that he had been very good I think.
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I'd suggest the AA's since then would say otherwise.
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Agreed. People seem to have relatively short term memories. He was extremely poor this week but he clearly wasn't fit and was given a hard tag by one of the best taggers in the competition. There are very few people who are able to effectively break a Kornes tag even when fit.
That said he shouldn't have played and that is partly on him and partly on the selection panel. It was clearly done out of desperation due to this being a must win game (to keep us in the 8) and having lost two key players last week.
Whether he will be de-listed at the end of the year or not will depend on how he plays out the rest of the year. There are plenty of players who should go ahead of him.
But Ling still put his hand up. Selfish, or not?
You must be right, they can't assess knees professionally at all. They just guess. And ask the player. Lucky Burton wasn't selfish, hey?
So Bock, Rutten, Johncock, Burton and Goodwin are also selfish for playing that match?
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No, they don't.
That wasn't Macca magic, wasn't anything special. He played his position really well, but their wasn't anything magical or brilliant about it. It was pretty good, but not up to Macca magic standards by a long shot.
McLeod played because he made it through training. He had a bad game in the wet and was tagged out it. He was still a better option without hindsight on Sunday than anyone else that were available.
What if he had a cape? Would that qualify?
What if he had a cape? Would that qualify?
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Sorry but how is it embaressing to be contained by Kane Cornes ? He is one of the best taggers in the afl. It was wet, mcleod had no match practice or fitness and people are suprised he had a bad game ?
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Andrew Mcleod is (?was) a superstar. Mad dogs signature lists his acheievements and he has been truly great. A pleasure to watch him play.
but.. something is not right. Might be knee but I doubt it. I wonder about off field issues as they were an issue when he dropped off in 2004
11 touches, 8 clangers yesterday and an attack on the ball that way Jericholike. Of course Macca has much "money in the bank" whereas Jericho is overdrawn so lets leave the comparisons there.
That is just not Macca. Worst game of a great career. One of his efforts after been pushed whilst being kicked and then not attacking the ball but letting Westhoff get it was truly awful
Wanganeen was great to about 290 games and then in the blink of an eye stopped playing well. I'm really fearful Mcleod is on the same path. He did play well until the dream team game so the bad form extends only over 8-9 weeks and he has been heavily tagged over that time. It might be tagging/injury and confidence together but.....
but.. something is not right. Might be knee but I doubt it. I wonder about off field issues as they were an issue when he dropped off in 2004
11 touches, 8 clangers yesterday and an attack on the ball that way Jericholike. Of course Macca has much "money in the bank" whereas Jericho is overdrawn so lets leave the comparisons there.
That is just not Macca. Worst game of a great career. One of his efforts after been pushed whilst being kicked and then not attacking the ball but letting Westhoff get it was truly awful
Wanganeen was great to about 290 games and then in the blink of an eye stopped playing well. I'm really fearful Mcleod is on the same path. He did play well until the dream team game so the bad form extends only over 8-9 weeks and he has been heavily tagged over that time. It might be tagging/injury and confidence together but.....
Thank you. I will promise not to make any Richmond jokes for the rest of the season - especially considering you might leap frog us in the coming weeks!
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I wasnt happy with Maccas game either but Kane Cornes will stitch up the best of 'em. Id just like to see him go in and get the ball then Id be happy.
Gratuitous games given to "past champions" to notch up a milestone shouldn't cut it in my opinion -Look at the damage Roo done to his reputation not to mention the team.
Gratuitous games given to "past champions" to notch up a milestone shouldn't cut it in my opinion -Look at the damage Roo done to his reputation not to mention the team.
Macca has been a fantastic player for the crows and has also had some good games for the crows in season 2008. The thing that I have noticed when you actually go to the games, as opposed to watching at the games on TV is how lazy he is, I cant believe Neil Craig lets him get away with it.
You watch a player like Tyson Edwards, who at 30 is the same age as Macca, charge from contest to contest to pressure the opposition and do the 1%ers, while Mcleod trots along seldom getting out of a canter. It is just so frustrating. Edwards was also tightly tagged in the showdown, with 2 possesions to half time. But through hard work he gets himself into the game to have 15 possesions and 7 tackles, as opposed to Maccas 11 possesions, 8 clangers, and 1 tackle.
In Neil Craigs press conference he said fitness/injury was definatly not a factor, It was perhaps lack of endevour. I would use the word LAZY. Perhaps the penny has dropped.
I believe Mcleods skill is still their,despite his showdown shocker. But I would doubt on work rate that he would get a game with a Geelong, Hawthorn, or Sydney. Hopefully he can pull his finger out.
You watch a player like Tyson Edwards, who at 30 is the same age as Macca, charge from contest to contest to pressure the opposition and do the 1%ers, while Mcleod trots along seldom getting out of a canter. It is just so frustrating. Edwards was also tightly tagged in the showdown, with 2 possesions to half time. But through hard work he gets himself into the game to have 15 possesions and 7 tackles, as opposed to Maccas 11 possesions, 8 clangers, and 1 tackle.
In Neil Craigs press conference he said fitness/injury was definatly not a factor, It was perhaps lack of endevour. I would use the word LAZY. Perhaps the penny has dropped.
I believe Mcleods skill is still their,despite his showdown shocker. But I would doubt on work rate that he would get a game with a Geelong, Hawthorn, or Sydney. Hopefully he can pull his finger out.
Truck was, for one. He got crunched against Carlton and hurt his back, sat out the North Melbourne game, then played the HOF game. He was playing far more hurt in the HOF game than Macca was, and their performances proved it.
Yes, actually. not that kind of doctor, though.
The huge mound of strapping that Truck was wearing under the guernsey, and the way be moved that night were giveaways that he wasn't right.
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Yes, actually. not that kind of doctor, though.
The huge mound of strapping that Truck was wearing under the guernsey, and the way be moved that night were giveaways that he wasn't right.
So whats your point, is it affecting him now???............NO
If Mcleod rested that game instead of covering himself in glory as Captain of nothing it may be a different story than it is now!
IMO that's dam selfish
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The vast majority of your posts are just vitriolic remarks against McLeod and your constant vendetta against him make me wonder about who you are and your motives.
(and thats compounded by your blind allegiance and continuous super talking-up of Edwards.)
It makes me wonder whether you do have some association with the Edwards clan - if i could find out whether that was indeed the case then i would lower my standards and launch into a diatribe against Edwards.
In any case, Macca did have a downer on Sunday, however, he did still take away the AFL's best tagger - and if Macca had not played then perhaps Kornes may have tagged eg Knights instead thus maybe stopping him from amassing all his posessions.
I still think that providing Macca's knees come up after that minor surgery then i would see him playing at least 1 more seasons and breaking Roos games record. I suspect that your abuse against Macca & constant harping that he should be delisted coupled with your wish to have Edwards have another year may be partially due to the selfish reason that if that scenario was played out then Edwards in lieu of McLeod would take the games record.
Macca was our best player last year, and for the early part of this year too he was going well until the knees impacted and even then his performances were better than most.
Macca on half a leg is still a walk in start in our team and a better midfielder/backman/forward than Edwards or others. Macca never goes backward with his kicking unlike lots of the others and he moves the ball forward quicker than most (not sideways nor turning this and that way etc).
IMO Macca will/should be the last of the 3 fab 4 to retire and in fact if Goodwin's back forced him to retire this year then i would personally like to see McLeod as Captain for the last year (or 2) of his career.
Just returning to your vitriol against Macca - all i will say is that for those who really know what he is like off the field they would find that he is a humble and does lots of unseen good work. Furthermore his wife is a very loyal (to true friends) and principled lady.
He hasn't had his greatest year. He's been good at times, but beaten more than in past year. Whether that's because of the lingering impact of his back is unknowable.
It's only selfish if two things can be demonstrated. Firstly, that resting that game would have saved him having knee problems later in the year. And that secondly, he's only playing for 300 games.
Given the amount of trouble that Macca has had with his knee for the past 10 years, I doubt that sitting out the HOF match would have made a scrap of difference. At least he got some bench time in that match, unlike the number of times he's played 100% game time this year for Adelaide. Maybe better management of his knee by the coaching staff would have helped.
As for the second, it's no different to 2006 when he came back quickly after his foot (?) operation. In that case, it got infected and he missed more footy. He's just a bloke who wants to play, and I cannot for the life of me understand why that's an issue for you.
