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One of my best friends is over there at the moment.

She chose to stay in El Salvador rather than return home, because she has more confidence in their government to preserve their health and the economic welfare of workers.

And she was right. Which is a shocking indictment on our government's performance.
 
average hund fund is down 9% this year

S&P down 24%

how did they do that. but savvy blokes

no insider trading im sure ?
Depends on the fund, some funds are Long/short, some are short (who will profit from it), some a defensive/bond funds, who won't lose much. Some are currency funds etc.
 
To be fair to them, no one expected a pandemic. I don't think even the biggest toinfoil hatters on this like P35 expected this to happen and spread so quickly. The problem being lack of transparency of data in China. I still think the number of cases in China is close to a million.
I did, as did many people in January.
 
Presenting the woota and FRUMPY in a lab doing science: deaths outside China stats

DATEEXPONENTIAL MODELLOGISTIC MODELCASES
05/03/2020290290273
06/03/2020340320345
07/03/2020420420421
08/03/2020520520503
09/03/2020610600709
10/03/2020870870883
11/03/2020110011001134
12/03/2020150015001460
13/03/2020190019001786
14/03/2020230022002233
15/03/2020280027002631
16/03/2020340031003291
17/03/2020410039003918
18/03/2020490046004749
19/03/2020590056005684
20/03/2020700066006928
21/03/2020840082008269
22/03/20201000098009924
23/03/2020120001200011489

The next week:

DATEEXPONENTIAL FORECASTLOGISTIC FORECAST
24/03/20201400013000
25/03/20201700016000
26/03/20202000018000
27/03/20202400020000
28/03/20202900022000
29/03/20203400025000
30/03/20204100027000

The graph

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Million mark: 18 April 2020
Logistic max deaths: 44,000

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Fewer deaths than the night before! Could be an artefact of it being a Sunday, but this is the first time it undershot the logistic model in 10 days.
 
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To be fair to them, no one expected a pandemic. I don't think even the biggest toinfoil hatters on this like P35 expected this to happen and spread so quickly.
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/det...e-development-lessons-from-the-ebola-outbreak

Constant mutation and adaptation are the survival mechanisms of the microbial world. Changes in the way humanity inhabits the planet have given viruses and bacteria multiple new opportunities to exploit. New diseases are now emerging at an unprecedented rate. No one expects this trend to end.

Moreover, in a world of radically increased interdependence, international travel, and trade, there is no such thing as a local outbreak anymore.

Recent large outbreaks, just since the start of this century, have shattered a number of assumptions about the world’s vulnerability to new and re-emerging diseases, like Ebola.

As the century began, most experts believed that the exotic pathogens that cause so much misery in the developing world would never threaten wealthy countries, with their high standards of living and well-developed health systems.

...

Like these other outbreaks, Ebola in West Africa delivered a number of surprises. Understanding these surprises brings lessons that can help the world prepare for similar events in the future. They are certain to come.



Perhaps they may have erred on the side of caution - in light of the above?


Even so, on a local level, current health guidelines in Victoria say you are at risk if you have close personal contact is at least 15 minutes face-to-face or more than two hours in the same room. Other guidelines suggest that it can transmit in a single instance. Other guidelines refer to surface transmissions.

The start of this epidemic had experts suggesting that masks don't make you any safer from acquiring the virus - until they relented and basically said "hahaha jk folks. we only told you that so you wouldn't buy them all!". (I agree with the notion - but what a shithouse way to message it).

I understand this is a new virus and hard to give concrete advice about - however, the advice from the 'experts' is often confusing and contradictory. I don't know if I'm getting genuine health advice or "politically convenient" health advice. It's no wonder many don't trust them.
 
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I understand this is a new virus and hard to give concrete advice about - however, the advice from the 'experts' is often confusing and contradictory. I don't know if I'm getting genuine health advice or "politically convenient" health advice. It's no wonder many don't trust them.

Even Bill gates said in 2015 that this will be our undoing. Like we know a big market crash and grand recession is coming for a while but it's hard to pin point the trigger. If you do, you will cause panic. Putting yourself on a spot is something you and i can do, but hardly a government body or similar like WHO will do on health related issues. On economic issues most of them do it, but on such sensitive issues they aren't doing that unless there is a 100 percent certainty.
 
I understand this is a new virus and hard to give concrete advice about - however, the advice from the 'experts' is often confusing and contradictory. I don't know if I'm getting genuine health advice or "politically convenient" health advice. It's no wonder many don't trust them.

Such a pertinent comment after the debacle from Morrison and CMO Marshall last night. Marshall was just ******* guessing when he started talking about the lack of evidence about children being carriers.
 
https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/det...e-development-lessons-from-the-ebola-outbreak

Constant mutation and adaptation are the survival mechanisms of the microbial world. Changes in the way humanity inhabits the planet have given viruses and bacteria multiple new opportunities to exploit. New diseases are now emerging at an unprecedented rate. No one expects this trend to end.

Moreover, in a world of radically increased interdependence, international travel, and trade, there is no such thing as a local outbreak anymore.
For any virus that already exists in mammals, we're the most fertile field you could imagine. Make that jump across species and you have 7.8 billion replication vessels in the space of a year.
 
Not saying I think this is right or wrong because I’m far from an expert. Just think it will be an interesting template to keep track of referring to just this.


main hope seems to be that any arrivals with cv19 seriously self isolate and don’t add to the community transmission. Which isn’t the major part of new infections, but we really don’t know do we?
 

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363 new cases in Oz today, still keeping up with the projections. The figures in Germany are starting to get ugly, i hope they haven't hit the wall there.
Does anyone have a link to long term projections based on mathematical modeling?
 
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Does anyone have a link to long term projections based on mathematical modeling?
Ron The Bear did this i think.

This is what Ron said yesterday:

We've been increasing at around 25% infections a day, give or take. That makes 30K or so in a fortnight.

I would hope the rate is lower than that going forward as people heed the danger and stop putting themselves at risk. Shutdown is the most critical call the government has had to make, with the effect magnified exponentially for every day they get it wrong by. Suspect the Ruby Princess positives might've brought the decision forward, but I'm satisfied that the government has acted according to its plan and isn't making it up on the fly. We've got half a chance to keep it manageable.

My unexpert guess is that we'll know by early the following week (Mar 30 - Apr 1) if we're winning or not. If none of those three days show a decrease in new cases on the previous day then the government may be forced to take a hardline on isolation, but it will mean the situation is already much worse than it otherwise would've been. Anyone who contracts it recklessly is likely to pass it on to others acting recklessly, and that behaviour will continue.

Just stay home unless absolutely necessary. It's not that hard when the stakes are this high.

Seems like a reasonable forecast to me, although I have a bit of faith in how much we've been testing, the situation with the cruise ship(s) has been a bit troubling.
 
Posted last Tuesday

Some quick dodgy stats.

Let's say the current unemployment rate is 5% and the underemployment rate is 10% (part timers and casuals).

You could easily see over half the part timers and casuals getting the boot soon, so unemployment will be 10%.

And if a chunk of full timers are laid off - bingo - unemployment rate of 15%.


Not a bad effort - Today in SMH

The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age have spoken to senior sources in the banking and the forecasting sectors who said their analysis showed Australia was headed for an unemployment rate of 15 per cent or more. It currently stands at 5.1 per cent.

 
Presenting the woota and FRUMPY in a lab doing science: deaths outside China stats

DATEEXPONENTIAL MODELLOGISTIC MODELCASES
05/03/2020290290273
06/03/2020340320345
07/03/2020420420421
08/03/2020520520503
09/03/2020610600709
10/03/2020870870883
11/03/2020110011001134
12/03/2020150015001460
13/03/2020190019001786
14/03/2020230022002233
15/03/2020280027002631
16/03/2020340031003291
17/03/2020410039003918
18/03/2020490046004749
19/03/2020590056005684
20/03/2020700066006928
21/03/2020840082008269
22/03/20201000098009924
23/03/2020120001200011489
The next week:


DATEEXPONENTIAL FORECASTLOGISTIC FORECAST
24/03/20201400013000
25/03/20201700016000
26/03/20202000018000
27/03/20202400020000
28/03/20202900022000
29/03/20203400025000
30/03/20204100027000
The graph


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Million mark: 18 April 2020
Logistic max deaths: 44,000

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Fewer deaths than the night before! Could be an artefact of it being a Sunday, but this is the first time it undershot the logistic model in 10 days.


It's good that you're showing this because China stats are bullshit.

Have a look here.
 
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