Queensland State Election (31/1/2015) - Labor form govt (Thread pg 54)

[kimp]

Let's be very clear this wasn't solely about Campbell. It was about the whole LNP leadership. It's far too easy to point the finger at one person.

 

[Tomjas00]

......... Incompetence, arrogance and outright corruption are no longer acceptable........ .

So the answer is to vote in the party for whom incompetence, arrogance and outright corruption became a way of life when they were last in power

 

[Slax]

So the answer is to vote in the party for whom incompetence, arrogance and outright corruption became a way of life when they were last in power

The LNP have known nothing else in Queensland except corruption for decades so fair bit of pot calling the kettle black there.

Can totally understand why the LNP were dumped, they ignored the electorate and people just couldn't stand it. The thing about Labor this time around is because of the size of the loss 4 years ago where only 9 survived, the party had a clean out overnight so could purge the past with no internal repercussions of dumping people in pre-selection fights.

 

[raghav]

One good thing about Newman getting the arse, and there's many, is that we won't have to suffer that gushy wife of his appearing on the news bulletin.

 

[Slax]

Palmer United will only last another 4 years

Agree, looks almost certainly that way, will be interesting to see how they handle it federally where they have another 5 years thanks to the 6 year Senate terms.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Based on the results of the Vic/Qld elections. It seems as though the role of the LNP nowadays, is to hold station, provide a clearing to give Labor time to rejuvenate before being given multiple terms again.

 

[Tomjas00]

Based on the results of the Vic/Qld elections. It seems as though the role of the LNP nowadays, is to hold station, provide a clearing to give Labor time to rejuvenate before being given multiple terms again.

The ALP in QLD didn't reinvent itself nor did it appear to be rejuvenated

This was simply a vote against Newman and Abbott

Annastacia Palaszczuk is the Bradbury of Australian politics

 

[Kildonan]

The election that saw Campbell Newman's government brought to power was a protest vote. Enormous swings saw the incumbent Labor party's representation slashed from 44 seats to 7. There was always going to be a rebound, but even the most optimistic Labor enthusiasts did not expect to be a chance to win back government, certainly not after just one term.

Full credit must be given to Anastasia Palaszczuk who took on a party absolutely devastated and leaderless. This promised to be a long and hard road back and there was always a risk that under her watch the party would devolve into irrelevance. You can imagine with only 7 electorates (later 9) widely scattered over the country's second largest state, just the travel times involved. She and her party must have done a lot right. Full credit there.

There is no doubt that federal politics played a role in this state result. Tony Abbott is unpopular.
The similarity of Newman to Abbott also played a role. Both leaders employ ideology driven policies (rather than evidence based) they both reduced spending at the cost of jobs, services and safety nets. They demonised debt and spent inordinate amounts of time (and money) blaming the previous government for all the problems of the present. The public perception is they favoured big business over the little man, and both were willing if not eager to sell off assets for the short term benefit, forcing the little man to pay the rising costs of these asset sell offs (electricity tariffs etc). Both governments deny global warming - Campbell Newman even legislated against teaching it in state schools and both of their environmental policies are atrocious - allowing destruction of previously protected areas. The message is clear.

Will we see the Federal Libs respond?

 

[Pie eyed]

That fat campaigner won the election for Labor with his advertising. Why do you hate him so much?

Because he is a self interested fool.

 

[Pie eyed]

The ramifications are nothing has changed. Isn't that the point?

State assets won't be sold off in a fire sale...That's a point of difference.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Let's be very clear this wasn't solely about Campbell. It was about the whole LNP leadership. It's far too easy to point the finger at one person.

Not soley. His brains trust were similarly bloody minded headkickers. The Newman, Nicholls, Seeney triumvirate made all the decisions with little consultation and bullied dissenters. Then the Attorney General Jarrod Bleijie rose up and was even more arrogant.

They may have escaped if it was only Newman being a dictator with good visible people behind him, however they would have been better placed with a warm premier and the headkickers behind him but less visible.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

So the answer is to vote in the party for whom incompetence, arrogance and outright corruption became a way of life when they were last in power

Do you mean the Joh years and the Fitzgerald discoveries?

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Very early to talk about 2018, but Labor really will have to govern for all (or at least look like it). With a barebones majority and Newman but a memory reelection won't be easy.

Well, suck a bag of dicks, well deserved loss despite Murdoch pump priming.

Where does The Courier-Mail go from here? Pretend their campaign never happened or just slag Premier Palaszczuk straight from the get go?

News Corp's papers really are dying if Murdoch is willing to make them openly hyperpartisan. They used to have the veneer of objectivity.

 

[nut]

I'd like to think this result, along with Greece and Abbott's polling is indicative of a growing social awareness facilitated by modern technology allowing us to disseminate information quickly and out of the reach of the mainstream (Murdoch) media. That people are waking up to the fact that they have been sold a crock of s**t by the elites with regard to trickle down economics, privatisation of public assets and the need for the economy above all other factors.

The corporates will gain control over this media soon too...

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

The federal Libs are doomed.

They need another Tamp style incident to get their racist supporters back on board. Without them, they can't win an election.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

The ALP in QLD didn't reinvent itself nor did it appear to be rejuvenated

This was simply a vote against Newman and Abbott

Annastacia Palaszczuk is the Bradbury of Australian politics

Just like Newman's rise was on the back of a tired, ugly Beattie/Blight government rather than any policy innovation. Bad governments are punished. Part of it was a natural correction of punishing the Bligh Government, part was personality driven and part policy. Asset sales was the issue.

Palaszczuk for her part made sure that she admitted errors of Labor past, was contrite, avoided making big promises .. in fact they really stripped the Labor party back to grass roots, less flashy politics. Their launch was school hall speech like compared to the LNP. Their approach was grass roots door knocking. They couldn't do a lot for 3 years with no numbers but they hit their electorates after pre-selection and appealed to people face to face.

Looking through the candidates list, so many we thought would get back on the gravy train after losing seats last time, did not. They are refreshed, there are new faces everywhere. The backgrounds are varied, not just tied to union wagons.

Wouldn't have happened were it not for poor LNP leadership and asset sales but they really played this well. Low key, humble and on message.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Just like Newman's rise was on the back of a tired, ugly Beattie/Blight government rather than any policy innovation. Bad governments are punished. Part of it was a natural correction of punishing the Bligh Government, part was personality driven and part policy. Asset sales was the issue.

Palaszczuk for her part made sure that she admitted errors of Labor past, was contrite, avoided making big promises .. in fact they really stripped the Labor party back to grass roots, less flashy politics. Their launch was school hall speech like compared to the LNP. Their approach was grass roots door knocking. They couldn't do a lot for 3 years with no numbers but they hit their electorates after pre-selection and appealed to people face to face.

Looking through the candidates list, so many we thought would get back on the gravy train after losing seats last time, did not. They are refreshed, there are new faces everywhere. The backgrounds are varied, not just tied to union wagons.

Wouldn't have happened were it not for poor LNP leadership and asset sales but they really played this well. Low key, humble and on message.

Almost a carbon copy of the recent Victorian election with the exception of some big spending promises by Andrews, but the 'on the ground' campaign was identical and it was the deciding factor

 

[Bomberboyokay]

How many of Labor's new MPs were there in 2012?

 

[Maggie5]

Annastacia Palaszczuk is the Bradbury of Australian politics

You could be right but she certainly had a lot of help from Qld LNP and Tony Abbott.

 

[JeffDunne]

I wouldn't underestimate too the blow-back from such a cynical attempt to manipulate the electorate with the timing of the election.

 

[ralphmalph]

Where does The Courier-Mail go from here? Pretend their campaign never happened or just slag Premier Palaszczuk straight from the get go?

News Corp's papers really are dying if Murdoch is willing to make them openly hyperpartisan. They used to have the veneer of objectivity.

See Herald Sun in Vic. They will run negative stories from the get go. You could say that it is just holding government accountable - in some cases it is. Courier Mail is more partisan than the HS is/was.

 

[campbell]

I wouldn't underestimate too the blow-back from such a cynical attempt to manipulate the electorate with the timing of the election.

on the back of the visible lies of the term........they dared poke the electorate and lost.

do not dictate to us and do not lie to us.

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

Hard to isolate one factor in such a rich tapestry of fail, but you'd have to ask whether the knighthood decision shifted 1 or 2%. Given how close it is in the last 3 seats that matter, that may well be the final straw that cost LNP government.

 

[Maggie5]

I still think the Greens are viable as a minor party, increase in votes and maybe coming second in Noosa? (Labor third).
If they had an Upper house there am sure they would have gained seats.

 

[SwampCreature]

Campbell Newman even legislated against teaching it in state schools

Wow, what? I missed this. Link plz - can't find anything through Google so I guess I'm using the wrong terms.