List Mgmt. 2023 Trade Thread - Part III

[George]

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[stavro#4]

A lot better than someone you'll get with a pick in the 40's.

We are also only planing on drafting 3 so unless we could figure out a way to move up the draft, it's also a pick we wouldn't end up using.

If we trade Billings we need to draft/recruit one more player.

If we trade Billings for p42 get Shiel for next to nothing.

We have a free upgrade on on our third pick with p40+42


Oh and the most important thing


BILLINGS IS ASKING TO LEAVE

 

[snails13]

Gotta stop the thought of getting a mid 20s pick from Suns.

They can only take as many picks to the draft as they have positions available, and their focus on future picks from now on should be enough evidence that they are holding as much as they can. They aren't splitting down any further.

Gotta stop the thought of getting a mid 20s pick from Suns.

They can only take as many picks to the draft as they have positions available, and their focus on future picks from now on should be enough evidence that they are holding as much as they can. They aren't splitting down any further.

If we offered 2xpicks valued at 703 points for 1 of their picks of equal points, why wouldn't they take it

 

[bergholt]

BILLINGS IS ASKING TO LEAVE

Yeah that's the most important part for me. The mental side has always been his biggest challenge and if he's decided he can't make it work at the Saints then we're not going to get anything out of him in the future, so why not give him a shot at a second chance.

 

[MrFoster]

They didn't deny it's his missus though... Interesting...

Edit: Damn, i was beaten to this punchline

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I think that is tough. You only really know how a trade period went with hindsight but if you are assessing now you have to ask the question "what was possible?".

Gresham had to go. Tick. Upgraded draft position. Tick. Brought in two young low first round draft picks with potential. Tick.

Effectively we have gained 4 under 24s, three of which are first rounders and we have lost one underperforming small forward.

Given what was available and our trading hand - I'd give it 8 out of 10. And I still can't think of what else they could have done.

Exactly, people are expecting miracles without considering what assets (draft hand or players) to start with, can’t expect to get a million dollars profit in a garage sale (pots and pans, old furniture)

 

[Ricmel]

Gresh is a bigger loss than you are making him out to be. Calling him an 'underperforming small forward' is selling him short. Hopefully Henry can serve as some sort of replacement in terms of talent/ability.

Yeah, there is a wide range of opinions on Gresham. Mine is the "thank god the club woke up" end. 136 games, average 18 disposals, 17 brownlow votes, 136 goals. When you consider how poor his disposal is it is bog average. He's neither an A grade mid nor an A grade small forward. In most stats he does not even measure up to Acres at Saints.

In terms of the trade period, you can't get to the moon if you haven't got a rocket. Henry and Dow were targets, got em both cheap. Held onto 13. Made the Gresham trade count. That is all above the line. Has it moved the dial significantly? Well we'll only know in hindsight but I am really bullish on both Henry and Dow and we'll get potential at 13 and 21. Losing Coffield the only downer but let's face it, he hasn't pulled on a boot for 2 years.

 

[Hayes4PM]

If we trade Billings we need to draft/recruit one more player.

If we trade Billings for p42 get Shiel for next to nothing.

We have a free upgrade on on our third pick with p40+42


Oh and the most important thing


BILLINGS IS ASKING TO LEAVE

STOP YELLING AT ME


Also I get why Billings would want to leave, was trialled on a wing for a while and was ok, but Mason Wood is a taller, better marking wingman with better cardio and running ability. He doesn’t look likely to crack a gig as a forward either really, he’s like a poor man’s Fritsch: less agility, less pace, shorter, set shot kicking a bit ordinary.

I honestly don’t know if he’s gonna get a best 22 gig somewhere other than a rebuilding club. Maybe North? West Coast?

 

[MrFoster]

I suspect the only way we will get a 2nd rounder for Billings is if we pay part of his salary. That would be a fail.

Yes, losing our superstar billing will be devastating where the fact is he won’t even play next year under Lyon and don’t see many other sides lining up for his services for two separate occasions. Over rating Billings much?

 

[gubby88]

 

[Mowman]

If we trade Billings we need to draft/recruit one more player.

If we trade Billings for p42 get Shiel for next to nothing.

We have a free upgrade on on our third pick with p40+42


Oh and the most important thing


BILLINGS IS ASKING TO LEAVE

They would need to give us a pick to take Shiel and even then we don’t need him or want him

 

[stavro#4]

They would need to give us a pick to take Shiel and even then we don’t need him or want him

They see value for him (RTB sos etc)

Who knows if it Happens.

Clearly it’s a chance of some sort still.


I want it to happen for the ******* melts

 

[Tommy Wigs]

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Don’t do that

 

[stavro#4]

STOP YELLING AT ME


Also I get why Billings would want to leave, was trialled on a wing for a while and was ok, but Mason Wood is a taller, better marking wingman with better cardio and running ability. He doesn’t look likely to crack a gig as a forward either really, he’s like a poor man’s Fritsch: less agility, less pace, shorter, set shot kicking a bit ordinary.

I honestly don’t know if he’s gonna get a best 22 gig somewhere other than a rebuilding club. Maybe North? West Coast?

That last part isn’t our problem though.

Thats on Billings and his manager.

He represents everything that’s wrong with the period in between Ross.

I just want him gone

 

[Ricmel]

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He's usually pretty good Cal Twomey but that would be a massive backflip by the club and suddenly turn our trade period from pretty good to shite.

 

[Mowman]

They see value for him (RTB sos etc)

Who knows if it Happens.

Clearly it’s a chance of some sort still.


I want it to happen for the ******* melts

I would rather Owens and Windhager get those midfield minutes

If SOS is thinking Shiel will helps us we have the wrong block

 

[MrFoster]

A lot better than someone you'll get with a pick in the 40's.

Winghager was drafted pick 47, is Billings better? No… Winghager is faster, stronger, can win his own ball and has a lot more upside.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Heaps to do.

Would be pretty happy walking away from Billings and Gresham for Dow Henry and 3 picks in the top 25 (if we pulled that off)

Yep, if we can get 40 up into the mid 20s I’d be happy. Otherwise, it makes no sense to trade Billings for a garbage pick and still paying him. (Perhaps for a future pick, but when we have 40 already this year, then another 40s pick is useless ….)

 

[Cam Shenton]

I think im going to listen to trade radio after lunch.

I cant ******* believe im gonna do it but goddamn if they havent sucked me back in.

All you’ll get is a hankering for a mccrispy burger, wonder if you have a rheem hot water system and check your tyres the next time you go to your car.

 

[Saints_87]

Only decent way of getting sheil is:
Sheil and dons 1st pick this year and we pay the salary as a dump

 

[snails13]

He's usually pretty good Cal Twomey but that would be a massive backflip by the club and suddenly turn our trade period from pretty good to shite.

We don't have pick12,

 

[stavro#4]

I would rather Owens and Windhager get those midfield minutes

If SOS is thinking Shiel will helps us we have the wrong block

No, ROSS is very concerned with turning Owens Pou and Windy into full time mids immediately.

Thinks it would hurt performances and development of those guys.

It’s to support them. They will play more mid. But still have similar roles to this season.

 

[Hayes4PM]

That last part isn’t our problem though.

Thats on Billings and his manager.

He represents everything that’s wrong with the period in between Ross.

I just want him gone

That’s a bit rough, I reckon we ****ed his development throwing him at every position. I think a move is best for everyone as well though. He’s good depth as a winger or half forward honestly, but if the rumoured 600k a year is true then that is bad depth.

 

[St Significant]

Dons reaming us big time if we hand over our first pick! Isn't it a salary dump? They should be giving us their first rounder for helping them out of their salary cap mess.

 

[stavro#4]

That’s a bit rough, I reckon we ****ed his development throwing him at every position. I think a move is best for everyone as well though. He’s good depth as a winger or half forward honestly, but if the rumoured 600k a year is true then that is bad depth.

You know, and I cbf checking if it’s true.

But Sen or trade radio ran with - Billings has never finished in the top 10 of our Best and fairest

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Hoping DMac’s trip to Germany sorts out his calf issue

All going well so far I hear

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[Dard Ball Get]

Oh dear