wayne carey v gary ablett snr

[Procrastinator35]

Gary Snr in finals for Geel :

16 games
64 goals

Interstate matches for Vic :

11 games
43 goals

Not bad....is it!

Yeah, not bad....No one said Ablett was anything other than a champion....So which poster's alias are you again?

 

[gearjammer85]

Yeah, not bad....No one said Ablett was anything other than a champion....So which poster's alias are you again?

There was no response from you regarding the 'top part' of my post.

 

[Procrastinator35]

There was no response from you regarding the 'top part' of my post.

Ah....O.K

Leigh Matthews finals record for Hawthorn:

Games: 29
Goals: 72
Flags: 4

Career:

Games 332
Goals: 915
B&F: 8

 

[gearjammer85]

Ah....O.K

Leigh Matthews finals record for Hawthorn:

Games: 29
Goals: 72
Flags: 4

Career:

Games 332
Goals: 915
B&F: 8

The top part pal about the players/taggers you rate 'so highly'. Please reply.

By the way, Matthews played 84 more games than Snr. 5th on all time goal kickers. Remarkable considering he started on a wing/half forward. The other 4 are all stay at home full forwards.

Wish you were born in 1900 so you would clearly remember 1925 - 1959, the true glory years at Glenferie Oval.

Blight and Daicos had much more natural talent and skill than Matthews. Yes, I know, since '61 its been all your mob and because that I will never win this debate/argument.

 

[go you pups]

in 93, 94 & 95 Ablett played 64 games scored 375 goals 224 behinds going at 9.4 shots on goal a game.
Best 3 seasons I have ever seen from any player and Carey never got close to this type of peak.

Ablett at his best is amazing.

Was in his 30s then too

Absolute freak, really pleased I was able to watch him a few times as a kid until he retired, will always be one of my sporting idols

 

[Monkey King]

Nah....Barney was copping heavy tags whenever he went forward of center from the mid 70's onward....I should know, because I was there to see it.

You just mean when Matthews went forward he drew a defender. That's not a tagger.

 

[Procrastinator35]

You just mean when Matthews went forward he drew a defender. That's not a tagger.

Simple question....Are you old enough to have seen Barney play?....Because, if you were, then you'd know Carlton would assign Curly Austin to tag him, whenever Barney played forward, like a wet-blanket.

You're Strong on rhetoric Monkey, but poor on facts.

 

[Monkey King]

Simple question....Are you old enough to have seen Barney play?....Because, if you were, then you'd know Carlton would assign Curly Austin to tag him, whenever Barney played forward, like a wet-blanket.

You don't "tag" someone when they play forward. They're called defenders for reason; they defend. Matthews was a dangerous goal kicker who could pull goals out of nowhere. When he went forward, he drew a defender who would pay him the attention he deserved.

I saw Matthews play. I can remember him taking out Austin early in the 82' Prelim and Curly getting up and proceeding to take Matthews apart for the rest of the match, sending the Blues on to my favourite ever Premiership victory. Perhaps this match left it's stain on your memory. Curly was a defender for the most part. When Parkin came on the scene, he used Austin to run with Matthews wherever he went; this was in the 80's, not a career event if memory serves correctly.

 

[Procrastinator35]

You don't "tag" someone when they play forward. They're called defenders for reason; they defend. Matthews was a dangerous goal kicker who could pull goals out of nowhere. When he went forward, he drew a defender who would pay him the attention he deserved.

I saw Matthews play. I can remember him taking out Austin early in the 82' Prelim and Curly getting up and proceeding to take Matthews apart for the rest of the match, sending the Blues on to my favourite ever Premiership victory. Perhaps this match left it's stain on your memory. Curly was a defender for the most part. When Parkin came on the scene, he used Austin to run with Matthews wherever he went; this was in the 80's, not a career event if memory serves correctly.

Yeah, I was there out at Waverley....And I'm pretty sure is was the big Dipper who tried taking old 'Curly' out that day.

Yes, it was Parkin who assigned Austin the task....He alone understood the best way to counter Barney, given he had both played with & coached him, before high-tailing it over to the Blues in 1979....That's 7 years of Barney's career.

 

[Monkey King]

Yeah, I was there out at Waverley....And I'm pretty sure is was the big Dipper who tried taking old 'Curly' out that day.

Nope. You've got the wrong match. It was definitely Matthews who flattened Austin that day. There was a lot of joy from a supporters perspective that when Curly eventually got back on his feet he went and gave Matthews a shove before going on to give him a bath for the rest of the match. Then we lost him for the GF the next week that no one gave us a chance of winning anyway.

FWIW I think you're talking about a later game where Dipper broke Curly's jaw or something like that.

Yes, it was Parkin who assigned Austin the task....He alone understood the best way to counter Barney, given he had both played with & coached him, before high-tailing it over to the Blues in 1979....That's 7 years of Barney's career.

Jezza coached Carlton in 79'. By the time Parko came along and gave Curly the job as Matthews' "tagger" (shutdown defender) Barney was a forward. Would have been the last 4 years of a 17 season career.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Nope. You've got the wrong match. It was definitely Matthews who flattened Austin that day. There was a lot of joy from a supporters perspective that when Curly eventually got back on his feet he went and gave Matthews a shove before going on to give him a bath for the rest of the match. Then we lost him for the GF the next week that no one gave us a chance of winning anyway.

FWIW I think you're talking about a later game where Dipper broke Curly's jaw or something like that.

Jezza coached Carlton in 79'. By the time Parko came along and gave Curly the job as Matthews' "tagger" (shutdown defender) Barney was a forward. Would have been the last 4 years of a 17 season career.

I believe you are right on both scores there....Can't believe I forgot about Jezza in 79....And Parko left for Carlton in 81.

Yeah, Austin was no walk-up start for the Blues 22, but whenever you played against us in that era, he was a lay-down mezaire....That's pretty well my point....Parko used him as a specialist tagger for Barney, whenever we played against the Blues.

 

[Procrastinator35]

How do you think Matthews would have gone had he played for Geelong from 1970 onwards?
Do you think he would have had the luxury of playing rover then shifting to the forward pocket?

Luxury?....Barney did most of his damage forward of center. He'd of played the majority of his career there, I suspect, regardless of which side he played for.

The Cats of that era still had some quality on-ballers; with the likes of Nankervis, Featherby, Sarah, Neal, Clarke, Peake & Bruns....The inclusion of Barney would likely have made the difference, come finals time, in 1980/1981....What that side lacked was a match-winning, quality forward.

 

[Monkey King]

I believe you are right on both scores there....Can't believe I forgot about Jezza in 79....And Parko left for Carlton in 81.

As a Carlton supporter I can't forget. Was a sad time when Jezza walked out on the club.

Yeah, Austin was no walk-up start for the Blues 22, but whenever you played against us in that era, he was a lay-down mezaire....That's pretty well my point....Parko used him as a specialist tagger for Barney, whenever we played against the Blues.

Your point was Matthews was tagged in the 70's when he went forward. By the stage Parko was putting Curly on him, it was the 80's and late in Matthews career when he played mostly as a forward. Austin pretty much played Mathews as a designated shutdown defender who followed him wherever he went.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Your point was Matthews was tagged in the 70's when he went forward. By the stage Parko was putting Curly on him, it was the 80's and late in Matthews career when he played mostly as a forward. Austin pretty much played Mathews as a designated shutdown defender who followed him wherever he went.

Usually Stan Magro had the job of curtailing Barney when we played the Magpies & John Rantall/Graham Melrose for North.....Those 2 clubs were pretty well our only 2 finals opposition from 1974-1978, apart from one time against Carlton....Magro & Rantall were always difficult opposition for him, as they were equally as strong in the clinches, had a low center of gravity, excellent agility & always played goal-side of Barney.

Only once Rantall returned to South, did Barney trouble North....He got off the leash on 2 occasions against the Pies, though I reckon Magro was injured in one of em....Keep in mind, this was 40 years ago & I was a mere 10 years old....However, to argue that the opposition didn't pay special attention to Barney come finals time, is complete nonsense.

 

[Monkey King]

However, to argue that the opposition didn't pay special attention to Barney come finals time, is complete nonsense.

I'm not sure what you mean by special attention. Matthews was bloody dangerous around goals, so naturally, went he went forward he attracted the oppositions better small defender, who manned him accordingly.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I'm not sure what you mean by special attention. Matthews was bloody dangerous around goals, so naturally, went he went forward he attracted the oppositions better small defender, who manned him accordingly.

Simple really....He was a special player, who required special attention....Not sure where the mystery resides.

 

[Monkey King]

Simple really....He was a special player, who required special attention....Not sure where the mystery resides.

I don't disagree on this one little bit.

 

[Lethality]

You don't "tag" someone when they play forward. They're called defenders for reason; they defend. Matthews was a dangerous goal kicker who could pull goals out of nowhere. When he went forward, he drew a defender who would pay him the attention he deserved.

I saw Matthews play. I can remember him taking out Austin early in the 82' Prelim and Curly getting up and proceeding to take Matthews apart for the rest of the match, sending the Blues on to my favourite ever Premiership victory. Perhaps this match left it's stain on your memory. Curly was a defender for the most part. When Parkin came on the scene, he used Austin to run with Matthews wherever he went; this was in the 80's, not a career event if memory serves correctly.

Austin wasn't really able to shut down Matthews after that though. Rantall was probably the only player who got Matthews consistently, yet even that was only at North Melbourne. For some reason Matthews still got good numbers against South Melbourne after Rantall made the move.

 

[Lethality]

In 84 he kicked 13 goals across 3 final as the full forward: With a 22 disposal, 6.3 game in the qual final against Carlton. And 4 in the GF.

I wouldn't call him the full-forward in 84. I have the QF against Carlton and he plays kind of a half-forward role.

 

[Procrastinator35]

I wouldn't call him the full-forward in 84. I have the QF against Carlton and he plays kind of a half-forward role.

Where can I get a copy?

 

[Monkey King]

Austin wasn't really able to shut down Matthews after that though.

Did almost as good a job a couple of years later, which (IMO) led to Dipper breaking Austin's head apart a few weeks later in their first finals match.

Never really saw Matthews take Curly apart though. And that PF in 82' was a true pearler of an effort from Austin.

 

[Lethality]

Did almost as good a job a couple of years later, which (IMO) led to Dipper breaking Austin's head apart a few weeks later in their first finals match.

Matthews was towards the end then so a poor performance wasn't that big of a deal. He was off to a fast start in that game where Austin was knocked out early though, so he probably would've had a good one regardless of whether Austin played the entire match.

Where can I get a copy?

langers1971

 

[Monkey King]

Matthews was towards the end then so a poor performance wasn't that big of a deal. He was off to a fast start in that game where Austin was knocked out early though, so he probably would've had a good one regardless of whether Austin played the entire match.

You're just talking in circles now.

 

[Lethality]

Matthews averaged 18.4 disposals and 3 goals a game on Austin after that Prelim, and he was in the final stages of his career at that stage, so he didn't seem to have any particular problems with him.

 

[Monkey King]

Matthews averaged 18.4 disposals and 3 goals a game on Austin after that Prelim, and he was in the final stages of his career at that stage ...

More talking in circles. The post I was replying to never mentioned averages. Here's what you said "Austin wasn't really able to shut down Matthews after that though". But he did do it again, just a couple of years later, albeit not the bath he gave him in 82'. No need to ramble off on the circle talk express with avergaes.

FWIW though, checking your stats, in the 3 games Carlton played Hawthorn after that, where Austin wasn't taken from the field with a broken head in the first quarter, Matthews averaged 2 goals and 18 touches. Not bad, but notably below his average over the course of those seasons.