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didn't the clubs vote PEGS in?????
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A few questions to ask of others as I don't know enough about recruitment in clubs to have a proper say:
A kid finishes playing under 18's, is working as an apprentice sparky/ plumber/ chippy whatever. 1st or 2nd year apprentice wages plus nothing to stay at his local club. $$$ to go and play in the country. How does a points system keep these kids in the league?
Why is it that some clubs are able to source good sponsors (not talking about having one money man spill all the $$$ in) whilst others aren't able to get anything except some small change? Without the excuses that there isn't as much money in the west. There are still plenty of successful businesses, franchises and a large population base that spend their surplus cash flow somewhere. I'm sure that goes to local business.
I'm a big believer that gate takings make a huge difference to a club and gives them extra funds to spend on development, player spending etc. But how much difference does that make?
I'm as guilty as many, but in the west we tend to take a defeatist attitude. Why? What makes us so different to other areas? Clubs in EDFL and EFL still need hard working volunteers to do the ground work and source sponsors, run the canteen etc. Do they work any harder than volunteers in our league or are they just better at setting up a system that works?
A kid finishes playing under 18's, is working as an apprentice sparky/ plumber/ chippy whatever. 1st or 2nd year apprentice wages plus nothing to stay at his local club. $$$ to go and play in the country. How does a points system keep these kids in the league?
Why is it that some clubs are able to source good sponsors (not talking about having one money man spill all the $$$ in) whilst others aren't able to get anything except some small change? Without the excuses that there isn't as much money in the west. There are still plenty of successful businesses, franchises and a large population base that spend their surplus cash flow somewhere. I'm sure that goes to local business.
I'm a big believer that gate takings make a huge difference to a club and gives them extra funds to spend on development, player spending etc. But how much difference does that make?
I'm as guilty as many, but in the west we tend to take a defeatist attitude. Why? What makes us so different to other areas? Clubs in EDFL and EFL still need hard working volunteers to do the ground work and source sponsors, run the canteen etc. Do they work any harder than volunteers in our league or are they just better at setting up a system that works?
evodafalcon
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Why should junior only clubs not have voting rights. When I last looked, it was the WRFL not the WRSFL (Western Region Senior Football League).
Do you place the same thought on Senior only clubs (Coburg, Laverton etc) not having full voting rights?
Zinc
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Junior Only clubs should only be allowed to vote on matters affecting the Juniors.
Based on that scenario, Senior clubs should only vote on matters affecting Seniors.
Who votes on matters affecting the whole league.
Do we then simply have a separate Senior League and a Junior league run by different boards, CEO's etc.
Zinc
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I will put it as simply as I can so you can understand - Senior clubs with Juniors vote on all matters. Clubs with Juniors only, vote on matters affecting juniors only.
GAMEOVER – In the scenario that you gave (young player coming out of U18) the points system keeps the player at his local club because the system does not cap the amount of $$ that a club can pay. A club is better of paying the kid $100 a game rather than a recruit $100 + per game as the kid is worth less points.
COLDOG – The reason players from U18 expect to get paid is because clubs are prepared to pay them. This ability to pay the huge sums of money is generally driven by blokes with huge ego’s that want to finance clubs as a way to feel important. There is no way to limit the amount that clubs spend so limiting the amount of recruits a club can get is the only way to even things up.
Something in general has gone horribly wrong when a club sits down in Sep/Oct to plan their next season and the number one thing on the list is “how do we raise a minimum of $100 000 to pay players just so we can be competitive”. If you are in it to win a flag make that number closer to $200 000.... instead of how to we improve our players and develope our kids.
I read an article that somebody posted somewhere on BF a few weeks ago about the effect that football clubs have on country towns. Made a lot of sense to me. Basically said that all they do is suck the life out of the town. They take local money and it ends up in the pockets of “drive in players”. They also use up valuable time and energy of local people who if not having to (or choosing to) raise ridiculous money to keep the footy club alive would be the type of people that would use that time to fund raise for the local community groups that actually needed the money. The theory can be applied to the WRFL.
Imagine if you add up all of the money that went on player payments last season across both divisions in the WRFL alone?? I reckon that it would be somewhere between $1.2 and $1.5 MILLION
I am sure there are plenty of community groups that would be pretty happy to get some of that money.
COLDOG – The reason players from U18 expect to get paid is because clubs are prepared to pay them. This ability to pay the huge sums of money is generally driven by blokes with huge ego’s that want to finance clubs as a way to feel important. There is no way to limit the amount that clubs spend so limiting the amount of recruits a club can get is the only way to even things up.
Something in general has gone horribly wrong when a club sits down in Sep/Oct to plan their next season and the number one thing on the list is “how do we raise a minimum of $100 000 to pay players just so we can be competitive”. If you are in it to win a flag make that number closer to $200 000.... instead of how to we improve our players and develope our kids.
I read an article that somebody posted somewhere on BF a few weeks ago about the effect that football clubs have on country towns. Made a lot of sense to me. Basically said that all they do is suck the life out of the town. They take local money and it ends up in the pockets of “drive in players”. They also use up valuable time and energy of local people who if not having to (or choosing to) raise ridiculous money to keep the footy club alive would be the type of people that would use that time to fund raise for the local community groups that actually needed the money. The theory can be applied to the WRFL.
Imagine if you add up all of the money that went on player payments last season across both divisions in the WRFL alone?? I reckon that it would be somewhere between $1.2 and $1.5 MILLION
I am sure there are plenty of community groups that would be pretty happy to get some of that money.
Time to relax
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GB50 - Seperate question "Is the rooms at Ainsworth going to be ready for the start of the season"?
It is fantastic that it is happening, but would be disappointing if you have to delay home games at your ground again this year. Long term it is in the best interests of the club obviously. I am sure the visiting clubs will appreciate not getting changed in a sardine can
It is fantastic that it is happening, but would be disappointing if you have to delay home games at your ground again this year. Long term it is in the best interests of the club obviously. I am sure the visiting clubs will appreciate not getting changed in a sardine can
GB50 - Seperate question "Is the rooms at Ainsworth going to be ready for the start of the season"?
It is fantastic that it is happening, but would be disappointing if you have to delay home games at your ground again this year. Long term it is in the best interests of the club obviously. I am sure the visiting clubs will appreciate not getting changed in a sardine can
The upgrade to the social rooms and the new building for changerooms are on schedule to be available for round 1..... but dont be suprised if only the new HOME rooms are actually used and the away team has to use the old sardine can
Time to relax
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The upgrade to the social rooms and the new building for changerooms are on schedule to be available for round 1..... but dont be suprised if only the new HOME rooms are actually used and the away team has to use the old sardine can
That would be pathetic if the opportunity to atone the poor provisions was not undertaken when available
That would be pathetic if the opportunity to atone the poor provisions was not undertaken when available
colts4life
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Flaw in this system
1. A cash cow club eg Deer Park, Spotty.
Has to follow the points system, you will just get clubs poaching juniors at Under 14s level !!
Oh whats that i hear you say ???
Wont happen ????
When this idea was first floated in the EDFL approx 6 years ago, Crazyburn got Dylan Joyce and Addam Maric from other clubs, and they were getting $100 a game at U 14s level.
When Moonee Valley was funded by the bank of Moran, it was discussed there !!
FACT
Human nature, bring in a rule, people find way to exploit rule
Poaching kids of that age already happens today, so no change.
In addition, paying kids in that age group would be illegal, and I would think that clubs, committees and parents would think twice to go down that track, putting their clubs at risk.
If club presidents and committees would approve of this type of behaviour, then I think we may well stop altogether. And really, I trust that they are better than that.
Hey Rock - Why so quiet? How's NF looking
Can't wait to see you running around in the Devil's jumper
Can't wait to see you running around in the Devil's jumper
Things at nf are going ok, numbers on track are up and down. 2 nights a week are good 1 night ordinary. Just need to change the divvy 2 mindset of a few players. We have picked up a few quality players still trying to land 4 more. Close to signing 3 of the four. Very confident we will perform a lot better than last year.Picked up a vfl player from sandy will be the fastest in the comp...We will surprise a few starting with a win against hoppers round 1!
Go devils.
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I'll give you 10/1 big fella?
Good to hear you've signed a few, look forward to round 1.
Shylo gone, Grenville gone, but as far as im aware and everyone else in the wrfl Philpott has a 2 year contract meaning this is his last and final year as an albion player! So unless the team he is supposedly going to will pay his contract in full i believe James Phillpott will be an albion player in 2012 or will be sitting on the sidelines and not playing. What else is news around the traps hows pre season looking and numbers. Any practice games coming up for teams?
Ricky Ricardo
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marcus smith, manton, fredrickson & morris can be added to that list. Assuming Philpott either does get let out of his albion contract or sits out the year still means it should be considered as a player gone from their list.
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is teghan henderson signed with deer park the ex richmond rookie listed player?
Last I heard, he was headed there. But that was several months ago now. I'd think so
Clearence is in, so it's a given.
I know it's early but anyone disagree with the top 3 colts altona and spotty.
I'm also tipping a altona colts gf. Both teams have recruited very well and will be very hungry to do well. Never discount a great spotty club though.
Speaking with a few colts boys on week end and most think they have recruited probably better than they have in along time. I agree with them.
Also had a chat with an altona last week, they also are very happy with how they are looking and very confident. Will be the best running team in the comp. if talls stand up team to beat!
Well it's common knowledge about Perkins brannan, sutcliffe and urch then there is 3 or 4 other guns. Which will be out soon enough but I leave that for the colts to say.
On talent alone miles better than last year with a bit of luck will go very close!
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