5 players already signed by GWS

[rose jam]

Not that bad but just comparing him to Thomas.

If you go to the Collingwood Family Day, Dale Thomas is like the second coming with his popularity.

Pendles haircut sux at the moment, better change it before finals

 

[Freomaniac]

Agree with this.

To get a top shelfer, GC17 had to pay $1.9m a season to Ablett and promise to draft his brother, and they could then only manage to scrape up some handy players, Bock, Brennan, Rischa and some duds, Krakouer, Fraser and Brown.

GWS will have to pay one guy a huge amount to be interested and then get a few disgruntled players looking for an extra 100k or so a season.

Don't forget though, GWS has an extra year to sign up out of contract players, so they might not take a lot of players first time around.

With the gold coast recruitments, Ablett is getting paid 1.9 million a season for 5 years. Nathan Bock is getting $750,000 a season for 3 years and Nathan Krakour is getting $450,000 a season for 3 years. Theres a couple of guys on $600,000 a year. Since GWS has a similar Salary cap, its inevitable GWS will lure at least 4-6 players expierenced on $500,000-$750,000 a year on 3 or 4 year contracts.

 

[Freomaniac]

Saw an Article on the advertiser a few years back. GWS are Obiously after guys like Taylor Walker, Andy Otten and Bernie Vince. Out of the 3 they would chase after Walker being a NSW guy.

At Port Adelaide the Targets would be Alipate Carlile, Justin Westoff, Danyle Pearce and Daniel Motlop. Im certain one of theses guys might take the bait and choose the cash. Also Chad cornes contract is out this season as well. I would choose Ali C mainly because the team needs a good Key position defender. Wouldnt mind Pearce.

At Freo theres rumours that gws are interested in Palmer or Ibbotson.

At West Coast, GWS are obivously after Beau Waters. That tall Fijian Fella Nic Nat was targeted, but has commited to WC. I know for certain Quentin Lynch contract runs out this season. Im probrably going to be verbally abused for this one I reckon a 28 year old Lynch might go to GWS on a 2 year contract.

probrably for a good reason. I rather have Lynch, who is proven at AFL as a goal kicker on a cheap contract worth $400,000 a year than Israel Folau whos unproven in the AFL on 1.5 million a year.

Would Bartel or Selwood from geelong be interested to leave geelong to grab the cash?

Are there Any experienced NSW players? I can only think of Mitch Hahn from the Bulldogs, tom Hawkins from Geelong, Walker from Adelaide and Lenny Hayes from the Saints.

If I had to guess 5 guys that are already taken by GWS im guessing
Taylor Walker (Crows)
Hawkins or Selwood (geelong)
Ali Carlile (Port)
Mitch Clark (brisbane)
Andrew Walker (carlton)

 

[sydney eagle]

The player that I think GWS is most likely to target from the Eagles is Lynch. He doesn't really have a set position at the Eagles at the moment and, if Lycett, Wilson and others with whom he is competing for a spot in the team show improvement, he might be pursueded to go to GWS as he would be assured of getting a game there. I hope I am wrong, but it looks possible to me.

 

[The Golfing Lion]

Selwood won't leave Geelong and Clark has never WANTED to leave Brisbane. He approached the club to offer himself as a trade option back to Perth IF they needed to find cap space. He did not actually WANT to leave at all.

 

[lewigie]

Selwood won't leave Geelong and Clark has never WANTED to leave Brisbane. He approached the club to offer himself as a trade option back to Perth IF they needed to find cap space. He did not actually WANT to leave at all.

Then why even offer?

 

[Freomaniac]

The player that I think GWS is most likely to target from the Eagles is Lynch. He doesn't really have a set position at the Eagles at the moment and, if Lycett, Wilson and others with whom he is competing for a spot in the team show improvement, he might be pursueded to go to GWS as he would be assured of getting a game there. I hope I am wrong, but it looks possible to me.

I reckon he will go. It would be similar to the Krakouer deal last season with Port trying to persuade Krakour to stay even though he wasnt in the 22. If GWS is interested in him, He will go. Since He just turned 28 a month ago, Lynch would be a good fit for GWS: a good goal kicker that has at least 2-4 years left in him. Since Gold Coast only gave pick 26 to get a 27 year old bock, Im guessing GWS will give west coast 30 or 35.

 

[Asgardian]

Everyone, teenager, young adult, senior citizen should be focused on life and maximizing their earning potential.

That is so sad that you think this. Far more to life than money. Money is only one of many factors. FAmily, work life balance, intergrity etc etc all come into it too.

I said "focused on life and maximizing their earning potential"

That is 2 different things

Focusing on life encompasses family, balance, integrity, socialisation, play, hobbies, etc.

Try reading what I wrote, not seeing what you hope I wrote.

BTW, I did this on Bay13

Who could have already signed one with GWS?

Crows - Taylor Walker
Lions - Daniel Rich
Blues - Marc Murphy
Pies - Scott Pendlebury
Bombers - Paddy Ryder
Dockers - Garrick Ibbotson
Cats - James Bartel
Hawks - Ben Stratton
Demons - Liam Jurrah
Roos - Todd Goldstein
Power - Danyle Pearce
Tigers - Alex Rance
Saints - Ben McEvoy
Swans - Heath Grundy
Eagles - Mitch Brown
Dogs - Josh Hill

I reckon I have a couple already correct

If I have 4 - 5 right by 2012 it'll be amazing ...

 

[bodazoka]

I reckon he will go. It would be similar to the Krakouer deal last season with Port trying to persuade Krakour to stay even though he wasnt in the 22. If GWS is interested in him, He will go. Since He just turned 28 a month ago, Lynch would be a good fit for GWS: a good goal kicker that has at least 2-4 years left in him. Since Gold Coast only gave pick 26 to get a 27 year old bock, Im guessing GWS will give west coast 30 or 35.

Glad someone else bought it up, I think Lynch would be quite a good stop gap for WS and GC should of chased him. If you got him fit and firing you could play him on a wing, ruck, FF or CHF easily. It wont win you a premiership but it will keep you competetive for a very cheap price.

If he did go I dont think we would try and persuade him too much to stay.

 

[The Big Steele]

I said "focused on life and maximizing their earning potential"

That is 2 different things

Focusing on life encompasses family, balance, integrity, socialisation, play, hobbies, etc.

Try reading what I wrote, not seeing what you hope I wrote.

BTW, I did this on Bay13

Good list, if I was Gubby Allen, they would be the players I targeted.

 

[gPhonque]

I've hard a whisper GWS have advanced technology and have been able to create super players from the DNA from the following players:

Leight Matthews
John Coleman
Wayne Carey
Stephen Silvagni
Gary Ablett

Just to name a few...

Pick the odd one out.

Christ, Silvagni would be lucky if he didn't have 20 goals kicked on him per game these days with the amount of scragging he used to do.

Most overrated player of all time, in any sport, bar none.

You know, I've always defended Sheeds, but if he's looking to clone Silvagni, then he truly has lost the plot.

 

[keviewiggle]

Pick the odd one out.

Christ, Silvagni would be lucky if he didn't have 20 goals kicked on him per game these days with the amount of scragging he used to do.

Most overrated player of all time, in any sport, bar none.

You know, I've always defended Sheeds, but if he's looking to clone Silvagni, then he truly has lost the plot.

Silvagni would be a star in any era!

 

[Ando727]

I said "focused on life and maximizing their earning potential"

That is 2 different things

Focusing on life encompasses family, balance, integrity, socialisation, play, hobbies, etc.

Try reading what I wrote, not seeing what you hope I wrote.

BTW, I did this on Bay13

That is an empty statement because you don't factor in the problem that you usually can't maximise your earning potential without affecting what you call "life". You describe a utopian existence with no compromises.

If a player decided that moving to Western Sydney would impact his "life" negatively, he might forego the extra dollars and stay where he is. Your statements suggest that he would be "irresponsible" not to take the best financial deal. You are contradicting yourself. If you come back and say that yes, you have to consider the life balance when weighing up money, then I'd agree with you, but you would have to retract your statements about "irresponsibility".

 

[MightyHawks]

I believe Whispers on this.

So if GWS has signed a heads of agreement with 5 players, who are they?

Now remember, they can deny signing a contract with GWS as they haven't, they have signed an agreement to sign a contract. Same effect as they can't get out of it, but gives plausible deniability.

The pressure will build on any unsigned talent from May onwards. We all know what happened last year. All the GC signings were a done deal in October the previous year.

I'll go with:
Scully
I'm sorry Dees fans, devastating and all, but (with the exception of Alistair Clarkson), anyone who "puts off contract negotiations to the end of the year" has already left. Ironic due to obvious tanking required to get him. From memory Hawthorn extended the Buddy, Roughy and Lewis contracts after the first year. Pretty standard thing to do with a young gun player.
Murphy
Very highly rated player. Must be getting paid below market rates due to Judd's huge salary too. Ironic due to obvious tanking required to get him. Really should've been a Lions father/son pick too.
Rich
Very confident on this one. Vossy seems to think he can pay Fev a million to "piss up against a wall" and all the players will be cool with it.
Palmer
Be a real shame for the Dockers too.
A Collingwood player
I'm sure they got one if they really wanted one.

It'd be a real shame if one of the clubs that lost a player to GC loses one to GWS as well... Hopefully the pain is spread around.

Of those 5 options above, Brisbane would be most devastated... they've lost a few players already...

Maybe the Hawks were tanking in 2009 and 2010 to discourage GC and GWS from pinching our players...

 

[MightyHawks]

Before anyone starts on Hawks tanking...

I'll add in that we did a massive tank in 2005 to get a priority pick. We were kicking it to Tigers players throughout the last quarter to get them to hit the front. Ridiculous as Richo and friends kept missing easy shots.

The roar when the Tigers hit the front at the 28min mark was unbelievable. Richmond fans were rapt to be in front, almost as excited as the Hawks fans were to lose the lead...

For our reward we got Beau Dowler...

GWS are welcome to him.

 

[Happy_Neale]

I believe Whispers on this.

So if GWS has signed a heads of agreement with 5 players, who are they?

Now remember, they can deny signing a contract with GWS as they haven't, they have signed an agreement to sign a contract. Same effect as they can't get out of it, but gives plausible deniability.

The pressure will build on any unsigned talent from May onwards. We all know what happened last year. All the GC signings were a done deal in October the previous year.

I'll go with:
Scully
I'm sorry Dees fans, devastating and all, but (with the exception of Alistair Clarkson), anyone who "puts off contract negotiations to the end of the year" has already left. Ironic due to obvious tanking required to get him. From memory Hawthorn extended the Buddy, Roughy and Lewis contracts after the first year. Pretty standard thing to do with a young gun player.
Murphy
Very highly rated player. Must be getting paid below market rates due to Judd's huge salary too. Ironic due to obvious tanking required to get him. Really should've been a Lions father/son pick too.
Rich
Very confident on this one. Vossy seems to think he can pay Fev a million to "piss up against a wall" and all the players will be cool with it.
Palmer
Be a real shame for the Dockers too.
A Collingwood player
I'm sure they got one if they really wanted one.

It'd be a real shame if one of the clubs that lost a player to GC loses one to GWS as well... Hopefully the pain is spread around.

Of those 5 options above, Brisbane would be most devastated... they've lost a few players already...

Maybe the Hawks were tanking in 2009 and 2010 to discourage GC and GWS from pinching our players...

I think we're more likely to lose Clark than Rich.

 

[Asgardian]

Only a fool thinks otherwise

Everyone, teenager, young adult, senior citizen should be focused on life and maximizing their earning potential.

Any young potential footballing superstar is only one bad injury away from the scrap heap.

They not only owe it to themselves, they owe it to their current and future family to do the right thing.

A Gold Coast or GWS mega contract is the one sure path to achieving lifetime financial security, irrespective of any career damaging future injury/ies.

You would be naive to think or do otherwise.

Remember, loyalty in football is a thing of the past, list size and salary cap has ensured that. If a club has no further use for you, you will discarded faster than you can say Jack Robinson.

That is an empty statement because you don't factor in the problem that you usually can't maximise your earning potential without affecting what you call "life". You describe a utopian existence with no compromises.

If a player decided that moving to Western Sydney would impact his "life" negatively, he might forego the extra dollars and stay where he is. Your statements suggest that he would be "irresponsible" not to take the best financial deal. You are contradicting yourself. If you come back and say that yes, you have to consider the life balance when weighing up money, then I'd agree with you, but you would have to retract your statements about "irresponsibility".

Yes, and no

A footballers active life is maybe 5 - 13 years, to be set up for life is very little sacrifice in my book, hence the need to think ahead and act responsibly.

Like I said, they are only one bad injury away from life after the on-field stuff.

I reckon my comments can be taken on face value with no real contradictions evident.

 

[KissStephanie]

3AW Whispers were reporting that Greater Western Sydney had already signed 5 players from other Clubs.

Whispers strike rate has been off a bit I've noticed since late last season, and I certainly don't think Dane Swan is one of them. He is very close with his Collingwood teammates, as he said many times, and Chris Tarrant is one of his best mates and has returned to the club. He is out of the age range of GWS, and he will be eligible for Collingwood's veteran list soon, so he will earn plenty then.

The players that GWS may have signed already are most likely 25 years of age and younger, and I don't think that includes any important Collingwood players. There are not many players that would sign with a new club straight after just winning a premiership, and most of Collingwood's players want to stay to experience playing under Nathan Buckley in 2012.

Scott Pendlebury knows he is the next captain of Collingwood so he will stay, and Dale Thomas has stated a number of times that he wants to be a one club player, so he will too. Collingwood's total player payments is also pretty low due to the very timely retirement of a number of experienced and well paid players after last season.

You are in denial if you think BIG names aren't going to GWS.

The GWS does not have the same hope at all of getting a big name player like Gold Coast has. The two biggest names that Gold Coast got were Gary Ablett, and it was easy for him to leave because his brother and father live there. They also got Michael Rischetelli who was already living on the Gold Coast I think, and Jarred Harbrow is also a Queenslander, yet I can't think of any big name player that has ties to the western suburbs of Sydney.

Nathan Bock probably wanted to leave Adelaide for anonymity reasons because he is known as wife basher there, and to earn more money at his age. A deal was done to trade Campbell Brown to Port Adelaide by Hawthorn twelve months earlier, before pressure from members ended that, so he was always likely to leave. Finally, Gold Coast is a much more desirable living environment than the western suburbs of Sydney, so I think they will struggle to get a big name player.

Unfortunately a Pies player probably.

You obviously haven't thought about it deeply enough, because I think that is very, very, very unlikely. I can't imagine any Collingwood player choosing to leave before experiencing playing under Nathan Buckley and with the prospects of more team success.

I can't see any young player leaving Melbourne, Richmond, or even Carlton either when these teams have hopes of future success, although I can understand how Marc Murphy was been mentioned. If GWS has already signed five players, then I suspect it is from a club that is still a fair way from a premiership, or on the downward trend. The biggest name I can think of is possibly Jimmy Bartel, then maybe a player like Daniel Rich or Taylor Walker.

 

[Asgardian]

I can't imagine any Collingwood player choosing to leave before experiencing playing under Nathan Buckley and with the prospects of more team success.

You're naive.

 

[KissStephanie]

You're naive.

No I'm not. I'm logical and confident in my opinion. If you disagree though, then go right ahead and give your reasons. Again, I think GWS is going to find it much harder than Gold Coast to get big names.

 

[yaco55]

No I'm not. I'm logical and confident in my opinion. If you disagree though, then go right ahead and give your reasons. Again, I think GWS is going to find it much harder than Gold Coast to get big names.

You are right about Whisper's rumours being off the mark at the tail end of 2010, and probably right about GWS needing to work harder than the GC to attract players.

Bear in mind that players linked to GC at this time last year - were the names who signed.

We also know that GWS have suggested that they probably won't go after the one big fish - Gary Ablett - But are more likely to grab 2 smaller fish.

And we dont know whether a Collingwood or Essendon player will sigh with GWS - That is hopeful guesswork at this stage.

 

[KissStephanie]

You are right about Whisper's rumours being off the mark at the tail end of 2010, and probably right about GWS needing to work harder than the GC to attract players.

That's why I don't think they're going to get any players of the calibre that Gold Coast got. Despite the recent weather conditions, there is no doubt that the Gold Coast is a more desirable location than western Sydney too.

Bear in mind that players linked to GC at this time last year - were the names who signed.

Yes, but there were reasons for that. As I've said, Gary Ablett has family connections on the Gold Coast, and he had a strained relationship with his coach, and most of all he was seen with Gold Coast officials before last season started, so the rumour regarding him had a base. Michael Rischetelli already lives there and was clearly disillusioned with Brisbane after being sent to Melbourne to look at Carlton's facilities as part of the Fev deal.

Jarred Harbrow is from Queensland. Campbell Brown was always likely to go after being sent to Port Adelaide without his permission in the Shawn Burgoyne deal. I also think the idea of playing under Guy McKenna is more enticing than Kevin Sheedy. None of those things apply to any of the players that are rumoured to go to GWS. They have been completely made-up because of their current contract status only.

We also know that GWS have suggested that they probably won't go after the one big fish - Gary Ablett - But are more likely to grab 2 smaller fish.

I think this is far more likely than any big name player.

And we dont know whether a Collingwood or Essendon player will sigh with GWS - That is hopeful guesswork at this stage.

I don't know enough about Essendon's uncontracted players, but I don't think a big name from Collingwood will go for the reasons I gave above.

 

[David the Cat]

Whispers strike rate has been off a bit I've noticed since late last season, and I certainly don't think Dane Swan is one of them. He is very close with his Collingwood teammates, as he said many times, and Chris Tarrant is one of his best mates and has returned to the club. He is out of the age range of GWS, and he will be eligible for Collingwood's veteran list soon, so he will earn plenty then.

The players that GWS may have signed already are most likely 25 years of age and younger, and I don't think that includes any important Collingwood players. There are not many players that would sign with a new club straight after just winning a premiership, and most of Collingwood's players want to stay to experience playing under Nathan Buckley in 2012.

Scott Pendlebury knows he is the next captain of Collingwood so he will stay, and Dale Thomas has stated a number of times that he wants to be a one club player, so he will too. Collingwood's total player payments is also pretty low due to the very timely retirement of a number of experienced and well paid players after last season.The GWS does not have the same hope at all of getting a big name player like Gold Coast has. The two biggest names that Gold Coast got were Gary Ablett, and it was easy for him to leave because his brother and father live there. They also got Michael Rischetelli who was already living on the Gold Coast I think, and Jarred Harbrow is also a Queenslander, yet I can't think of any big name player that has ties to the western suburbs of Sydney.

Nathan Bock probably wanted to leave Adelaide for anonymity reasons because he is known as wife basher there, and to earn more money at his age. A deal was done to trade Campbell Brown to Port Adelaide by Hawthorn twelve months earlier, before pressure from members ended that, so he was always likely to leave. Finally, Gold Coast is a much more desirable living environment than the western suburbs of Sydney, so I think they will struggle to get a big name player.You obviously haven't thought about it deeply enough, because I think that is very, very, very unlikely. I can't imagine any Collingwood player choosing to leave before experiencing playing under Nathan Buckley and with the prospects of more team success.

I can't see any young player leaving Melbourne, Richmond, or even Carlton either when these teams have hopes of future success, although I can understand how Marc Murphy was been mentioned. If GWS has already signed five players, then I suspect it is from a club that is still a fair way from a premiership, or on the downward trend. The biggest name I can think of is possibly Jimmy Bartel, then maybe a player like Daniel Rich or Taylor Walker.

Really just a load of speculation full of unsubstantiated but very hopeful statements about why Collingwood players would stay, but others, like Bartel, Murphy or Walker for example might leave. I am sure you see them as perfectly logical through your black and white eyes, but for the rest of us its just an exercise in creating a scenario where other teams would lose players, but Collingwood wouldn't. I am sure any number of clever posters from all clubs could write a similar piece using similar logic, and show their own clubs immune from GWS raiding their players. Result being GWS wouldn't get anyone!!!

Similar scenarios were painted last year by followers of the Premiership holders..( Gary a Geelong boy since he was born.....family tradition...lived at the club all his life, could make millions in Geelong as a one club player...part of a premiership line up...loyalty to his premiership mates blah blah blah....believe me I read them all and wanted them to be true...just like you and the Collingwood faithful want your scenario to be true too.

In the end though...a million bucks + a year is a million bucks + a year and no-one knows the personal/private pressures on players to accept such a opportunity and we conveniently ignore what is a reality to these guys....injury could finish them tomorrow...clubs show little or no loyalty to players...its a business now and they have to get what they can ...while they can. Who can blame them.

In the end...you don't know sh!t and neither do I. We can speculate all we like...the only real indicator will be players that " leave contract negotiations to the end of the season"... so the longer Pie players hold out,or any others for that matter, the more likely they will go. IF all the Pie targets sign then well and good...you can claim you knew all along.


but with the greatest of respect, I think is IS naive to think Pie players are beyond reach because they love the club, or because they want to play under Buckley rolleyes or because they have no connection to Sydney.....

Like one of your fellow supporters said earlier....money talks. The game isn't the same as it used to be...as more money enters the game..( e.g like the Premier League, NBA etc) .... .loyalty becomes ( in most cases ) just a fond memory. I think in the coming years we will see a lot more player movements from one club to another...yes even club stalwarts!

Sad isn't it.

 

[Sin City]

Bear in mind that players linked to GC at this time last year - were the names who signed.

Like Dangerfield, Pavlich, Roughead, Cloke, Hurley, Franklin, Lynch, Gibbs, Grigg, Russell, Petterd, Stanton

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=694419

 

[KissStephanie]

Really just a load of speculation full of unsubstantiated but very hopeful statements about why Collingwood players would stay, but others, like Bartel, Murphy or Walker for example might leave.

I don't think Swan, Pendlebury or Thomas will go to GWS, but I haven't thought too much about other Collingwood players. I truly don't think that GWS are going to get a big name player like Gold Coast did, and I think the biggest names will come from a club that the player feels is more likely in a decline.

I think that potential success is the main reason that most players choose to play footy, and I don't agree that money alone talks. It may do so with the minority of players in the AFL, but there has to be other factors to switch clubs for the majority in my opinion.