Oppo Camp 2013 non-Geelong AFL match and general discussion

[James1970]

I absolutely hate the guy, and I hate player managers. They're parasites. Scum.

Indeed they are, but I doubt many players, especially the young kids, can work their way through the system without one, sadly.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

It's about balancing between the two. If clubs are loath to deal with the guy ultimately that's going to result in a poorer deal for clientele. Moreover, most of these guys don't get pickers name out of the phone book; he is recommended by the club and or by other players. It's a dangerous game IMO.

That's a fair point, but my guess is the clubs understand the position that Pickering is in. I figure they realise that it's all in the game, that it's bad for business to hold grudges with them and that what goes around comes around in the age of free agency.

Indeed they are, but I doubt many players, especially the young kids, can work their way through the system without one, sadly.

I still wonder about the 75% or so of players at each club with relatively no public profile, marketing, media and endorsements to handle. I've always thought a lot of these players would be better off doing their contracts as a once-off through a solicitor. That is one big difference between US (and presumably other international) sports agents: they've got some serious law qualifications to do what they do. As far as I understand it, AFL player agents can do a course for a few weeks and then they're accredited. Can you imagine a train wreck like Ricky Nixon lasting two months, if he was managing 50-60 NBA and NFL players?

 

[James1970]

That's a fair point, but my guess is the clubs understand the position that Pickering is in. I figure they realise that it's all in the game, that it's bad for business to hold grudges with them and that what goes around comes around in the age of free agency.



I still wonder about the 75% or so of players at each club with relatively no public profile, marketing, media and endorsements to handle. I've always thought a lot of these players would be better off doing their contracts as a once-off through a solicitor. That is one big difference between US (and presumably other international) sports agents: they've got some serious law qualifications to do what they do. As far as I understand it, AFL player agents can do a course for a few weeks and then they're accredited. Can you imagine a train wreck like Ricky Nixon lasting two months, if he was managing 50-60 NBA and NFL players?

Is that still the case? I thought they may have tightened things up a bit, as I haven't heard the radio jingle plugging the course for a few years.

"Dad, since I've dropped out of high school, should I become an AFL player's agent, or give that massage therapy course a go - Richo keeps saying it will change my life?"

 

[vinum coupe]

I don't think that deception is a necessary or sufficient condition for being a good player manager. Ultimately clubs will less trusting of Pickering and that will only be damaging to his clients (the players).

I have no doubt the next time a Pickering managed player A says "I will make his mind up at the end of the year" the players club will say "obviously being a Pickering player he is going to leave us" let's start worrying about stitching up other player's contracts. Player A is then in a severely reduced bargaining position.

But you're getting this the wrong way around.
The clubs may not necessarily like dealing with him, but they have to.

It will not weaken any players position at all. No way.

And if we're talking deception....it was Buddy who asked for an approach to be made to Sydney immediately after the 2012 GF.
Pickers just does his job by holding his hand close to his chest and not making commitments.
Hawthorn knew all year that Buddy was fielding a contract elsewhere.

Clarkson has obviously got his nose out of joint.
Probably said something like "you're meant to be my mate, why didn't you tell me?"

I think he's the one that doesn't understand Pickers job.

 

[manboob]

I think we are all in agreement that as long as it's detrimental to the Hawks in the long run it's OK.

 

[Partridge]

I still wonder about the 75% or so of players at each club with relatively no public profile, marketing, media and endorsements to handle. I've always thought a lot of these players would be better off doing their contracts as a once-off through a solicitor. That is one big difference between US (and presumably other international) sports agents: they've got some serious law qualifications to do what they do. As far as I understand it, AFL player agents can do a course for a few weeks and then they're accredited. Can you imagine a train wreck like Ricky Nixon lasting two months, if he was managing 50-60 NBA and NFL players?

Tram wreck would have been the better phrase to use I would have thought.

 

[manboob]

Chicken Train!

 

[Partridge]

Chicken Train!

Oh dear. There's the answer to the question "Who is the most pathetic figure in football right now?"

 

[And_ROOS]

I don't think that deception is a necessary or sufficient condition for being a good player manager. Ultimately clubs will less trusting of Pickering and that will only be damaging to his clients (the players).

I have no doubt the next time a Pickering managed player A says "I will make his mind up at the end of the year" the players club will say "obviously being a Pickering player he is going to leave us" let's start worrying about stitching up other player's contracts. Player A is then in a severely reduced bargaining position.

Thats how i see it, who is the next big name Pickering player coming out of contract?

 

[Stig_90]

I'll never get used to this photo...

 

[manboob]

 

[dazbroncos]

I'll never get used to this photo...

What keeps me warm at night with this one is that is good to get experience elsewhere from different systems and environments.
Other than that.. It's cold mate.. ******* cold..

Go Catters

 

[rocker_oz33]

I dont like what there plotting .

 

[The rabbi]

What keeps me warm at night with this one is that is good to get experience elsewhere from different systems and environments.
Other than that.. It's cold mate.. ******* cold..

Go Catters

I saw Moons during the season and said to him that I did not mind him at the Dogs, but if he ever goes over to Hawthorn to assist them, then he is dead to me. He replied "If I ever end up at Hawthorn I will kill myself".

 

[Stig_90]

That's not all of the Catdogs either. You could add Steven King to that pic.

 

[CatTricks]

That's not all of the Catdogs either. You could add Steven King to that pic.

and Benny Graham

 

[And_ROOS]

Geez talking about putting all their cats in one basket down there at Whitten Oval.

Mind you, Scarlett and Ling will end up being coaches at the cattery, bookmark it

 

[JPod_31]

I was watching a video and look who I found

Gysenn

 

[Gysenn]

I was watching a video and look who I found
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Gysenn

Gold Jacket man over my left shoulder?
This was when I stood and applauded Ablett's goal from the boundary, wasn't it?

I was watching a video of our 2012 season highlights last year, and this popped up on the screen:

 

[JPod_31]

Gold Jacket man over my left shoulder?
This was when I stood and applauded Ablett's goal from the boundary, wasn't it?

I was watching a video of our 2012 season highlights last year, and this popped up on the screen:

Yeah it was when Ablett kicked that goal.

 

[JPod_31]

Gold Jacket man over my left shoulder?
This was when I stood and applauded Ablett's goal from the boundary, wasn't it?

I was watching a video of our 2012 season highlights last year, and this popped up on the screen:

Click to 38 seconds then you will see yourself

 

[Gysenn]

Click to 38 seconds then you will see yourself

Haha yeah I've seen it. If you search for 'Gary Ablett déjà vu goal' you'll see a comparison I made between this one and the one he kicked from the exact same position in Geelong colors.

 

[manboob]

I found one more.

 

[Gysenn]

I found one more.

Gets funnier every time

 

[manboob]

It kinda does cause the guy in the background looks like my mate