Who has the better list going forward, Gold Coast or GWS?

[Colonial]

Amusing. People still blaming the AFL for their own clubs lack of skill.
16 clubs voted to give us the benefits we received.
16 clubs then didnt want to trade for our picks or wanted to give spuds or dads army
16 clubs instead offered us high draft picks.
Sooo AFL at fault? Nope. Blame your club as they are the ones whi have decided this

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[Vindicater]

Will be very interesting to see what happens with GWS when the salary cap squeezes later this decade.

 

[mike123]

Gold Coast have Jagaer O'Meara and Jack Martin

GWS have...

 

[LukeParkerno1]

GWS easily. You can always draft midfielders (not that GWS don't have any- Kelly, Coniglio, etc). GWS have 3 of the most lethal forwards ever drafted, GC has no-one. You can have 2-3 Garry Abletts, you won't win a flag until you have a person capable of kicking 50+

 

[mike123]

GWS easily. You can always draft midfielders (not that GWS don't have any- Kelly, Coniglio, etc). GWS have 3 of the most lethal forwards ever drafted, GC has no-one. You can have 2-3 Garry Abletts, you won't win a flag until you have a person capable of kicking 50+

Collingwood and Sydney won the flag with leading goal kickers kicking 42 and 45 respectively.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Collingwood and Sydney won the flag with leading goal kickers kicking 42 and 45 respectively.

Sydney had a midfielder that year (Jetta) almost kicking 40 that year! Collingwood had Cloke- he can kick 50+. You need a key forward, especially with the new rules.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

GWS easily. You can always draft midfielders (not that GWS don't have any- Kelly, Coniglio, etc). GWS have 3 of the most lethal forwards ever drafted, GC has no-one. You can have 2-3 Garry Abletts, you won't win a flag until you have a person capable of kicking 50+

I tend to agree, but playing devil's advocate:
Lewis Jetta topped Sydney's goal kicking in 2012 with 45
Alan Didak topped Collingwood's in 2010 with 41
Cam Mooney topped Geelong's in 2009 with 46
Those totals all include finals. In 2011 Pods kicked 52, but only 46 in H&A. Stevie J kicked 50, but only 44 in H&A

But having sad that, I think the KPP GWS have picked up will hold the in very good stead. The midfield could be anything too, time will tell how guys like Whitfield and Coniglio come on.

 

[Engimal]

Gold Coast's mids > GWS' forwards.

That settles it for me.

 

[mike123]

Sydney had a midfielder that year (Jetta) almost kicking 40 that year! Collingwood had Cloke- he can kick 50+. You need a key forward, especially with the new rules.

You do but in 2010 Cloke couldn't kick 50 and Jetta was Sydney's leading goal kicker on 45.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

You do but in 2010 Cloke couldn't kick 50 and Jetta was Sydney's leading goal kicker on 45.

Yes and now Sydney have realised they need KP elite forwards and bought in Buddy and Tippett. Cloke can kick 50+ and that is the point. Not sure GC's forwards can even kick 40...that is leaving a lot of goals to come from the midfield...not sure that will stand up across a whole season.

 

[mike123]

Yes and now Sydney have realised they need KP elite forwards and bought in Buddy and Tippett. Cloke can kick 50+ and that is the point. Not sure GC's forwards can even kick 40...that is leaving a lot of goals to come from the midfield...not sure that will stand up across a whole season.

Has Sydney won a flag with their new Key Forwards yet?

And in 2010 people wouldn't of been sure if he could kick 40 as well. He kicks 50+ now but only started after our premiership.

 

[luciien]

Although recent, both Sydney and Collingwood won once. Geelong had a plethora of goal kickers, Brisbane had brown and lynch, hawthorn had dermie and dunstall. For sustained success, it is a must to have dominant key forwards. West coast managed a solitary flag with Judd, Cousins, Kerr and Cox at the peak of their powers.

 

[IanW]

Although recent, both Sydney and Collingwood won once. Geelong had a plethora of goal kickers, Brisbane had brown and lynch, hawthorn had dermie and dunstall. For sustained success, it is a must to have dominant key forwards. West coast managed a solitary flag with Judd, Cousins, Kerr and Cox at the peak of their powers.

I can name about eight teams that would be ecstatic about jagging a single flag right now.

 

[IggypopsTshirt]

GWS will win a flag before GC.

 

[HolyWars]

All I know is that in about 3 years time, both these teams along with Port are going to be right up the top of the ladder.

 

[SizeMatters]

GC will have the ball perpetually in their forward half...

 

[L_W_P]

Gold Coast have Jagaer O'Meara and Jack Martin

GWS have...

No way anyone can count Martin as anything more than a question mark at this stage. It'd be like GWS fans claiming ORourke, Boyd, Kelly or Barrett.

GWS have Cameron, Patton, Tomlinson, Treloar, Ward, Greene, Whitfield, Devon Smith, Sheil, Coniglio, Davis, Kennedy, Bugg, Haynes....

Yes, they will lose their depth over the next couple of years as they trim their list and trade some kids but I would still want to have their over the Suns list going forward.

 

[MotlopMagic]

GWS for mine. Just.

 

[mike123]

No way anyone can count Martin as anything more than a question mark at this stage. It'd be like GWS fans claiming ORourke, Boyd, Kelly or Barrett.

GWS have Cameron, Patton, Tomlinson, Treloar, Ward, Greene, Whitfield, Devon Smith, Sheil, Coniglio, Davis, Kennedy, Bugg, Haynes....

Yes, they will lose their depth over the next couple of years as they trim their list and trade some kids but I would still want to have their over the Suns list going forward.

Gold Coast have Ablett, Swallow, Bennell, Prestia, O'Meara, Harbrow, Dixon, Lynch, Hall, Thompson, Smith, Nicholls, Shaw, McKenzie, May, Sexton, Russell.....

 

[L_W_P]

Has Sydney won a flag with their new Key Forwards yet?

And in 2010 people wouldn't of been sure if he could kick 40 as well. He kicks 50+ now but only started after our premiership.

How did your elite midfield go with no one to kick to up forward last Friday?

As the rotation cap comes down, key forwards are going to rise again and GWS have their pick of the bunch - Cameron, Patton, Boyd, Tomlinson, Frost, Jacksh, McCarthy - and will probably end up with one of Wright, Goddard, McCartin or Durdin in this year's draft as well.

Any who don't make it (or want to go) will be moved on. The bidding war that will come up if Patton decides to return to Vic at the end of the year will be huge.

The Saints, Dogs, Blues, Hawks and Cats would be all over him. Collingwood, North, Essendon and Richmond would be at least asking the question given the expectation of finals over the next few years and depending on what happens with Clark and Dawes, Melbourne could have a crack as well. Either way the Giants walk away with at least another first rounder (potentially top 10 or 5) if not a good player as well.

Then they draft Wright/Goddard with their first pick and repeat the process.

Eventually they will have a settled line up of 18 odd players with a few rotating through as they surge up the ladder.

 

[L_W_P]

Gold Coast have Ablett, Swallow, Bennell, Prestia, O'Meara, Harbrow, Dixon, Lynch, Hall, Thompson, Smith, Nicholls, Shaw, McKenzie, May, Sexton, Russell.....

Exactly. So why just reel of OMeara and Martin as though the Giants have nothing?

I'd take Treloar and Whitfield over those two. What of it?

 

[mike123]

How did your elite midfield go with no one to kick to up forward last Friday?

As the rotation cap comes down, key forwards are going to rise again and GWS have their pick of the bunch - Cameron, Patton, Boyd, Tomlinson, Frost, Jacksh, McCarthy - and will probably end up with one of Wright, Goddard, McCartin or Durdin in this year's draft as well.

Any who don't make it (or want to go) will be moved on. The bidding war that will come up if Patton decides to return to Vic at the end of the year will be huge.

The Saints, Dogs, Blues, Hawks and Cats would be all over him. Collingwood, North, Essendon and Richmond would be at least asking the question given the expectation of finals over the next few years and depending on what happens with Clark and Dawes, Melbourne could have a crack as well. Either way the Giants walk away with at least another first rounder (potentially top 10 or 5) if not a good player as well.

Then they draft Wright/Goddard with their first pick and repeat the process.

Eventually they will have a settled line up of 18 odd players with a few rotating through as they surge up the ladder.

That doesn't prove a key forward wins a premiership. The rotation cap doesn't affect if key forwards will rise or not,

 

[L_W_P]

I didn't say that they do. Just they they will be more important to teams in the future and GWS are very well placed for KPP talent.

As for that cap - It will have an effect.

Right now teams can have their entire midfield running from end to end to press and take space because the interchange allows them to do so. Once the cap lowers (and there is talk of it going as low as 80 per game in the next few years) then teams will have to decide -

Do we park 2 players behind the ball and flood?

or

Do we back our guys and and make moves as needed?

Either way, with less midfielders running around in the defensive half during the game KPF's are going to have a better chance at taking a contested or leading grab one out. This means if you have 2 or 3 really talented ones (like GWS) it will be very hard for teams to get matchups.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

I picked Suns, but not with any certainty. If you break it down I reckon they just come out on top:
Backline - Suns - Suns with Thompson and May in the key posts, Harbrow and McKenzie playing smaller and using the ball so well coming out of defence, whereas the Giants have Mohr and Davis, however Davis cant stay on the park, whilst picking up Shaw and Hunt to add some experience down there. Suns also have gun recruit Koldashnniiinniny (or whatever his name is) who had 50 touches last week and is hugely rated.

Midfield - For mine, the Suns have the best midfield easily, though the Giants isn't that shabby, but still well behind the Suns. Ablett is the best midfielder of the two sides comfortably, with Ward on the next level. The Suns have Prestia, Swallow, O'Meara, Bennell, Rischitelli, with Martin obviously in the wings. Giants have Coniglio, Whitfield, Smith, Tomlinson who are very good, but a bit behind the Suns

Ruck - Mumford is the best Ruckman of the two sides, and Giles is probably next best. Zac Smith is a quality ruckman, but more on potential at this stage, whilst Nicholls shows a lot of promise. Boyd can also play in the ruck when he becomes established, whilst the suns have Doxon who can swing through there too

Giants have the better forward line, with 1 genuine forward star already in Cameron, with Patton seemingly a star and Boyd in the wings who could be anything. Suns have players that still have 'promising' next to their name, with Day, Lynch and Dixon, with none of those guys really grabbing a game just yet like the Giants forwards have. Matera adds some class in the Suns forward line, whilst the Giants seem to lack a quality small forward. Their talls though make it better overall

Still think that the Suns are just ahead, purely as their Midfield is stronger, defence looks better overall, and have potential in their forward line. But geez, both bloody good lists

 

[SizeMatters]

Exactly. So why just reel of OMeara and Martin as though the Giants have nothing?

I'd take Treloar and Whitfield over those two. What of it?

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