No Oppo Supporters Re-signing Tex, Danger and Sloane *** Crows Only ***

[Pugsley]

Yes she is.

In saying that, if you were stuck in an elevator with both of them and had the option of choosing who you'd take out on a date, it would pose a dilemma.

 

[mickfaxis]

Have we considered the meltdown that will occur on this thread if we get to the Hawthorn game and there's no Rory announcement?

 

[Pugsley]

Have we considered the meltdown that will occur on this thread if we get to the Hawthorn game and there's no Rory announcement?

This week. I feel it in my loins.

 

[FantasticShirt]

This week. I feel it in my loins.

Gala Dinner. Triple signing announcement. Lock. It. In.

 

[Allefgib]

Gala Dinner. Triple signing announcement. Lock. It. In.

Good. I've got a freebie ticket from the boss again

 

[adelaidecrows]

Kane Cornes, talking on radio this morning, unintentionally gave a disturbing insight into the former runnings of our club.

He said Phil Harper and Brenton Sanderson were at his house at the end of 2011, trying to lure him across to Adelaide. He said he was basically ready to switch clubs, and that Sando wanted him, but when they took it to the list manager (David Noble) he overruled Sanderson.

Whether you think Cornes would have been a good acquisition for us is beside the point - this story uncovers more hidden little gems of the former AFC administration's phaggotry and ineptitude.

The disturbing points:

1. A list manager or someone in football operations overruling a head coach on tactical requirements.

2. Phil Harper in charge of ANYTHING remotely resembling on-field strategy and success.

Could anybody imagine Phil Walsh saying "I want player X" and then the footy operations department saying "nah, sorry Walshy, we don't think we need him..."

The more that is revealed about how our club ran under Trigg, the sicker every Adelaide member feels.

A Head Coaches Job in relation to the list is to request the best types of players suited for a specific overall vision of the team. Nothing more! In 2011 did Kane Cornes fulfil a need for us. Nope, not really. We were able to use VB in his role pretty well and the players we traded in Lewis Johnston and Josh Jenkins and traded our way into the mini draft which snared us Brad Crouch. We also drafted Kerridge, Grigg and CEY in the draft. Overall the sacrifice of not getting Kane proved 100% correct which I feel is exactly how Noble would have laid it out to Sanderson. Remember, Sando was just appointed to the crows and would have been unfamiliar with the year of planning for the trade and draft period ahead. Even though Kane would have gone at clearance house prices with a 5th round draft pick etc that would have meant we didn't get CEY. I think we won the upside on that one.

As for what Walshy asks for well? he will get it if its the best option. Remember he doesn't sit there and do hours and hours of scouting recruitment research nor does the club pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to run through this exercise.

 

[AFC979810]

Dunno slippery. The list manager assembles the cattle and the coach makes the best of what he's given. You don't want a guy on a short term contract making long term list management decisions.

I think the most damning thing that Slippery P highlighted was just how shit our organisational structure was under Trigg.

From a purely business perspective you had two employees using company time and resources to go after a player before getting approval from the guy who ultimately makes the decision. It shows a complete and utter lack of communication (from all parties) and shows what a shambles we were.

Amateur hour.

 

[AFC979810]

The coach should tell the recruiting/list management staff what sort of player he is after. Give suggestions sure, but if he is overruled by our staff specifically in the role of recruiting quality players to the club he should back them. Otherwise we have the wrong people in those positions.

You would think that best practice would be to have the Head Coach and List Manager decide on players they want. If the both agree - we chase that player. If they both disagree - we don't.

If the head coach wants a player and and the list manager doesn't - they present their case to the CEO who casts the deciding vote.
This offers a failsafe against a coach trying to bring in players to protect his job.

 

[NikkiNoo]

A Head Coaches Job in relation to the list is to request the best types of players suited for a specific overall vision of the team. Nothing more! In 2011 did Kane Cornes fulfil a need for us. Nope, not really. We were able to use VB in his role pretty well and the players we traded in Lewis Johnston and Josh Jenkins and traded our way into the mini draft which snared us Brad Crouch. We also drafted Kerridge, Grigg and CEY in the draft. Overall the sacrifice of not getting Kane proved 100% correct which I feel is exactly how Noble would have laid it out to Sanderson. Remember, Sando was just appointed to the crows and would have been unfamiliar with the year of planning for the trade and draft period ahead. Even though Kane would have gone at clearance house prices with a 5th round draft pick etc that would have meant we didn't get CEY. I think we won the upside on that one.

As for what Walshy asks for well? he will get it if its the best option. Remember he doesn't sit there and do hours and hours of scouting recruitment research nor does the club pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to run through this exercise.

You forgot one, Luke Brown. We also got him as part of the mini-draft. People seem to forget him!

 

[Tantidar]

I reckon the club will hold off announcing Sloane's until the eve of the clubs big 25th anniversary match. Hopefully they build up to it with a re-signing per day in the week leading up to the game. Something like:

Friday: M.Crouch
Saturday: CEY
Sunday: Brown
Monday: Laird
Tuesday: Douglas
Wednesday: Sloane
Thursday: Game Day
Friday: Pizza Party

 

[Cap]

If its going to happen it will be no earlier than Wednesday.

 

[Elite Crow]

I reckon the club will hold off announcing Sloane's until the eve of the clubs big 25th anniversary match. Hopefully they build up to it with a re-signing per day in the week leading up to the game. Something like:

Friday: M.Crouch
Saturday: CEY
Sunday: Brown
Monday: Laird
Tuesday: Douglas
Wednesday: Sloane
Thursday: Game Day
Friday: Pizza Party

That sounds like;

On the first day of Christmas my.....

 

[Elite Crow]

You forgot one, Luke Brown. We also got him as part of the mini-draft. People seem to forget him!

But the List Manager said we didn't do well in the trade as Brown wasn't worth it

 

[Glenno23]

You forgot one, Luke Brown. We also got him as part of the mini-draft. People seem to forget him!

I don't forget him, check my sig!

 

[Pdub]

I think the most damning thing that Slippery P highlighted was just how shit our organisational structure was under Trigg.

From a purely business perspective you had two employees using company time and resources to go after a player before getting approval from the guy who ultimately makes the decision. It shows a complete and utter lack of communication (from all parties) and shows what a shambles we were.

Amateur hour.

you're presuming Sando and Harper organised the meeting, how do you know Cornes didn't ask Sando over, so Sando asked Harper to come along with him. Cornes said he wanted to swap, Harper and Sando said they had no problems with it and will run it past the List Manager. These Guys are also on Salary so company time and resources isn't really a factor as the meeting would probably have been out of normal business hours.

 

[Pdub]

If its going to happen it will be no earlier than Wednesday.

Nah, Port have this weekend to themselves and they have a home blockbuster, If the club has a big announcement they will wait to later in the week when Port is dominating the local media.

 

[Tantidar]

That sounds like;

On the first day of Christmas my.....

Hawthorn and maybe Collingwood have done something similar in the last couple of years, so it's not unheard of. It would feel like Christmas if danger re-signed as well

 

[Cap]

Nah, Port have this weekend to themselves and they have a home blockbuster, If the club has a big announcement they will wait to later in the week when Port is dominating the local media.

Don't they have a friday night game?

A Wednesday/Thursday announcement would take a bit away from that

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

Nah, Port have this weekend to themselves and they have a home blockbuster, If the club has a big announcement they will wait to later in the week when Port is dominating the local media.

Friday or next monday.

 

[pjcrows]

It'll be next Monday or Tuesday in the lead up to the Hawks game.

I reckon Sloane and Douglas joint signing presser.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

It'll be next Monday or Tuesday in the lead up to the Hawks game.

I reckon Sloane and Douglas joint signing presser.

If port lose, I think they will hold off until latter in the week.

If Port Power win, Monday or Tuesday as to be campaigners.

 

[AFC979810]

you're presuming Sando and Harper organised the meeting, how do you know Cornes didn't ask Sando over, so Sando asked Harper to come along with him. Cornes said he wanted to swap, Harper and Sando said they had no problems with it and will run it past the List Manager.

I think if anyones 'presuming' anything its you. The original post below - suggests that both Sando and Harper were trying to "lure" him (thats the key word).

He said Phil Harper and Brenton Sanderson were at his house at the end of 2011, trying to lure him across to Adelaide. He said he was basically ready to switch clubs, and that Sando wanted him, but when they took it to the list manager (David Noble) he overruled Sanderson.

These Guys are also on Salary so company time and resources isn't really a factor as the meeting would probably have been out of normal business hours.

Even if the highly unlikely even that Kane Cornes called up Sando and said come to dinner and then Sando asked if he could bring along a date (Harper) - surely there should be a conversation first with the guy (Noble) who makes the actual decision?

The issue isn't so much the time of the two hour meeting. Its that 2 members of our club were meeting with an opposition player (and had him agreeing to come to Adelaide) without the power to make it happen.

No matter how you try and spin it - its all very amateur.

 

[Pdub]

I think if anyones 'presuming' anything its you. The original post below - suggests that both Sando and Harper were trying to "lure" him (thats the key word).

I'm not presuming anything, I was pointing out there may be two sides of the story, you only have Kane Cornes side of the story, a bloke who loves to make our club look bad and would want to minimise how much he wanted to leave port. Sando and Harper had every right to meet with Kane and see where his head was at, then take that information back to the list manager.

 

[Elite Crow]

I'm not presuming anything, I was pointing out there may be two sides of the story, you only have Kane Cornes side of the story, a bloke who loves to make our club look bad and would want to minimise how much he wanted to leave port. Sando and Harper had every right to meet with Kane and see where his head was at, then take that information back to the list manager.

Why waste your time if the list manager isn't interested? Surely you ask the question first

 

[pjcrows]

Stuff like this would happen regularly.