Gibbs requests trade to Adelaide

[CrowinNT]

Poor little bird, Dog could let her catch him a couple of times.

I actually think the Dog is Hendo. Poising, checking and re checking then still running away.

 

[1970crow]

Meaning after negotiations 30-35%
Makes sense now they are willing to let him go for less than a first rounder, they need to get the cash off the books.

Brisbane would be the side with the least amount of salary cap problems. Well, unless not having enough talent to pay 95% is seen as a salary cap issue.

 

[Crowked]

Judd, Murphy, Simpson yep no competition

3 players? and ones a half back flanker. So finishing 4th. in their B&F is the expectation?

You can disagree, no problem. I expected more from Gibbs the junior. Thought he'd be top 5 in the competition. He isn't and never will be. I rate him, but he's not in the elite group IMO that's all. Going back to what I said. He's an upgrade on Lyons, but not a huge one IMO.

 

[King Elvis]

Wow uninformed opinion. How can you look at his b&f results and say he hasn't been rated. Fantastic and consistent record. In his prime and will be a star for us.

Because his B&F results, in a poor team, do not justify conversations around 2 first round picks - given his age, I don't think it justifies a first and a second, either. His results are good - not great; which sums him up.

Pretty frustrating - Gibbs could've come to us two years ago, and we would've avoided all of this shit.

 

[1970crow]

I think once both clubs know there will be no compensation for Henderson they will start moving towards a deal.

If carlton were smart they would have taken Hendo on Gibbs' contract with unreachable triggers for a second year to get a high compensation pick, then get us to give that compensation pick to them. They wont be using their full cap next season anyway.

Say 4years at $600k for hendo but he needs to be All Australian each of those years to trigger.

Was posted in here that FA window shut yesterday. If true would mean he either stays, gets traded or leaves as a DFA. Not sure why anyone would trade, when they could have had him free, so seems unlikely we'll be getting anything for him. If true about the FA period closing of course.

 

[dylan123]

Well if you include JOM then you truly are clutching at straws. If he is an A grader then so is Brad Crouch. They might have the A grade talent but they certainly have to reached the A grade status.

The Hawks trio you mentioned are on their last legs. Other than Lewis who will probably end up at Melbourne Mitchell has one year left at West Coast and Hodge one at Hawthorn.

In terms of Freo, if you are including Barlow then you might as well include Thompson for us. They are both coocked. Freo have one genuine A grader in Fyfe who just might be the best player in the comp. Mundy is on his last legs and Neale is not exactly an A grader. Bennell has the A grade talent but let's wait and see on that one.

Again from the top 8 sides who were clearly better than the bottom 10 sides this year, only Sydney and GWS have 3 or more genuine A graders in their midfield. The rest have 1 or 2 and a deep and even midfield with some very good players in there that are not A graders.

We have 1 A grader in Sloane, Gibbs at his best can be one, and a bunch of players on the list who have a genuine A grade talent but are yet to reach that status. This at least 3 A graders talk is funny. Just a couple of weeks ago Bickley was saying Gibbs is a B grader but now that we are trying to get him he is an A grader. Our captain is just trying to be controversial

Fair with O'Meara.

I didn't call Barlow an A grader, more a B along with Mundy with their recent decline. As for Neale, how much more can he do? Think he was something like the 3rd player to collect over 700 touches in a H&A season (might be wrong but seem to recall reading that) at an average of 33.5 a game.

So probably not far off with there not being many other teams with 3 A grade midfielders at this stage. That being said, I think it would be pretty interesting to look over the last decade of grand finalists as I think a lot of those teams would feature 3 A grade midfielders.

 

[Elite Crow]

Because his B&F results, in a poor team, do not justify conversations around 2 first round picks - given his age, I don't think it justifies a first and a second, either. His results are good - not great; which sums him up.

Pretty frustrating - Gibbs could've come to us two years ago, and we would've avoided all of this shit.

I think I may have told you this story but I had a conversation with Triggy before he went and I raised Gibbs. This was before he re-signed with Carlton. He said he wasn't worth the money and it was interesting he played well in the final year of his contract.

Shortly after Trigg goes to Carlton, pretty sus.

 

[Danger Zone]

Agree to disagree.

IMO Gibbs has been one of the most under achieving #1 picks ever. Hasn't ever reached the potential everyone thought he had and wont now. I've seen him play plenty. Not even the Carlton coaches rate him that highly going on his career B&F ratings. He might be our second best mid if he comes, but that shows just how shallow our midfield depth is. IMO Brad Crouch will be better and Matt might be too. Neither have hit their ceiling. Gibbs has. Lyons isn't a star and never will be, but he's honest and performs pretty well consistently. He's behind Gibbs no doubt, but IMO not that far off.

A bit off topic but I still think that Matt will end up the better player (well aware I will get hounded down for this).

 

[AndrewJo]

No. Significantly better. I wonder if some posters have never watched Gibbs play. Would easily be second best player after Sloane

Crap.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Lack of competition for top 5 results.

He was a number 1 pick. Touted A grader playing for a pretty poor team over his journey. Frankly a true A grader in that team would have 4-5 B&F's in that team.

It's a misconception that Carlton has no top end talent. Our top players have been as good as most teams across the journey. It's our bottom 6-10 players that are the problem, and have been for a good decade. No depth at all.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think I may have told you this story but I had a conversation with Triggy before he went and I raised Gibbs. This was before he re-signed with Carlton. He said he wasn't worth the money and it was interesting he played well in the final year of his contract.

Shortly after Trigg goes to Carlton, pretty sus.

Gibbs or trigg wasn't worth the money?

 

[Danger Zone]

It's a misconception that Carlton has no top end talent. Our top players have been as good as most teams across the journey. It's our bottom 6-10 players that are the problem, and have been for a good decade. No depth at all.

I agree with you there, great players like Judd, Simpson, Carrazzo, Walker, Murphy in recent years. There's been a reason that fringe players from other clubs have been part of starting 22 and that's not the fault of your best dozen players.

 

[Elite Crow]

It's a misconception that Carlton has no top end talent. Our top players have been as good as most teams across the journey. It's our bottom 6-10 players that are the problem, and have been for a good decade. No depth at all.

Where did Wright and Kerridge finish in your best and fairest?

 

[Pdub]

Was posted in here that FA window shut yesterday. If true would mean he either stays, gets traded or leaves as a DFA. Not sure why anyone would trade, when they could have had him free, so seems unlikely we'll be getting anything for him. If true about the FA period closing of course.

Ends 5pm today.

 

[1970crow]

Not sure how you can argue that his B&F results are no good. He's been there 10 years and finished top 5 in 7 of those years. Outstanding record I would have thought.

In terms of outside awards it is a little harder playing in a consistently poor side. It's generally the case that the better, winning, sides supply most of the AA and get most Brownlow votes.

That's not to say he hasn't struggled with consistency - he has. But I think that's improving and I think, after being messed around earlier in his career with his role, we are now seeing him in his most natural position at the coalface.

Lets make no mistake about this, when he's on he's a beast, you only have to look at his game v Geelong this year when he took DangerWood to the cleaners. He also almost single handedly dragged Carlton over the line v Sydney with an epic midfield display. By that I'm talking contested poss, clearances, tackles - tough inside play.

On his day he's one of the best, our challenge will be working to ensure that happens more often

Top 5 in 7 of 10 years at Carlton isn't a great achievement, they've been shit. Gibbs is a solid B grader who throws in A grade games here and there. At 28, he's worth about pick 13, give or take a little. If Lyons played more than 70% TOG and had more midfield minutes, that we wasted on Thommo, then he'd be averaging the same amount of disposals and really only missing the leg weapon. Gibbs would make us better, but not by much more than Thommo not playing and Lyons getting more game and midfield time.

 

[1970crow]

Lack of competition for top 5 results.

He was a number 1 pick. Touted A grader playing for a pretty poor team over his journey. Frankly a true A grader in that team would have 4-5 B&F's in that team.

Scott West is an example that springs to mind. Was never rated up with the elites like Bucks, Hird, Voss and Roo, but certainly won plenty of b&f's and AA's, both in poor teams and decent teams. Gibbs at least a level below West.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Ends 5pm today.

So can Free Agent papers be lodged today? ....on a Sunday?

 

[rocket18]

Not sure how you can argue that his B&F results are no good. He's been there 10 years and finished top 5 in 7 of those years. Outstanding record I would have thought.

It's a misconception that Carlton has no top end talent. Our top players have been as good as most teams across the journey. It's our bottom 6-10 players that are the problem, and have been for a good decade. No depth at all.

Wright and Kerridge BOTH finished top 10 in Carltons B&F this year, let that sink in for awhile.

The bar is set pretty low to be considered amongst Carltons "top end talent".

 

[1970crow]

It's a misconception that Carlton has no top end talent. Our top players have been as good as most teams across the journey. It's our bottom 6-10 players that are the problem, and have been for a good decade. No depth at all.

That doesn't sound right, I'm no expert on the Blues, but to my mind, your top end talent has largely under-delivered. Murphy, Gibbs, Kruezer, Walker don't seem to have reached anything near their potential on a consistent basis. Injuries or whatever, year in year out, they don't seem to have been regularly near their best.

 

[Sam_Malone]

Ends 5pm today.

Then clubs get a 3 day window to accept the RFA offer. Meaning, any announcement doesn't need to be made until 5 pm wednesday

 

[1970crow]

Ends 5pm today.

Big day then.

 

[jenny61_99]

So can Free Agent papers be lodged today? ....on a Sunday?

I thought it was the 19th?

EDIT:

Clubs will be able to make official offers to free agents on Friday, October 7 and have until Wednesday, October 19 to match offers.

 

[Lawrst]

Because his B&F results, in a poor team, do not justify conversations around 2 first round picks - given his age, I don't think it justifies a first and a second, either. His results are good - not great; which sums him up.

Pretty frustrating - Gibbs could've come to us two years ago, and we would've avoided all of this shit.

And been a better team this year for it!!

 

[Pdub]

So can Free Agent papers be lodged today? ....on a Sunday?

I don't think they would make 5pm today the last day if they couldn't.

 

[Tex200]

Top 5 in 7 of 10 years at Carlton isn't a great achievement, they've been shit. Gibbs is a solid B grader who throws in A grade games here and there. At 28, he's worth about pick 13, give or take a little. If Lyons played more than 70% TOG and had more midfield minutes, that we wasted on Thommo, then he'd be averaging the same amount of disposals and really only missing the leg weapon. Gibbs would make us better, but not by much more than Thommo not playing and Lyons getting more game and midfield time.

If you want to go tyre kicking in terms of bargaining the trade cost then fair enough.

Otherwise disagree