Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 2 (cont in pt. 3)

[Ripper]

A lot of people will disagree with this. But for the first time, I tip my hat off to Trump. Well done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...821a62-6beb-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html

What goes unsaid in that piece is that the CIA were funding ISIS.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Yep.

Lol. Figures.

 

[Ripper]

John McCain has just been diagnosed with brain cancer. Practically this means the Republican majority in the Senate narrows further if he has time off for treatment.

Surely you jest, McCain is the biggest never Trumper around. The world really did dodge a bullet atomic bomb in 2008

 

[WeetBixKid]

From the New Yorker

Trump has said, “I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to.” In the case of Syria, however, he seems to have acted without a clear plan in place. During the campaign, he promised to “bomb the shit out of” isis, which holds territory in Syria, but he also said that it was foolish to become mired in the civil war, or to target Assad, who has opposed isis—at least, rhetorically. As recently as March 30th, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that Assad’s future would be “decided by the Syrian people,” words that signalled a sharp departure from Obama’s insistence that Assad must leave office. Then, last Thursday, Tillerson seemed to shift direction, saying that “it would seem there would be no role” for Assad in Syria’s political future. But he later said, “I would not in any way attempt to extrapolate that to a change in our policy or our posture relative to our military activities in Syria today.”

From Fake News CNN

So far, President Trump has not gone beyond the declaration that he "will absolutely do safe zones" for the Syrian people. It's an idea he broached in November 2015 as a candidate, when he proposed building "a big beautiful safe zone and you have whatever it is so people can live, and they'll be happier."

And they all lived ever happily after, from the same article

The last option would be extremely perilous -- given the Russian presence and the hostility of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime -- and requires the injection of a substantial number of US military forces.
The Kremlin warned Thursday that "Washington must think about the potential consequences of establishing safe zones." Russia is perennially suspicious of Western plans to orchestrate regime change (think Libya, Serbia) disguised as humanitarian help.

And it is true most of the interventions based around humanitarian help are frontrunners for covert operations.

From ABC NEWS (US) discussing his stance pre and post election

The president also indicated that he had changed his mind about the country's leader, President Bashar al-Assad, for whom he had expressed support for "killing ISIS," though saying he didn't like him.

"I like to think of myself as a very flexible person. I don't have to have one specific way, and if the world changes, I go the same way," Trump said. "It's already happened, that my attitude towards Syria and [President Bashar al-]Assad has changed very much."

In the last week of the election, Trump worked Syria into a few of his campaign speeches, using it as a dig at Clinton.

"Now she wants to start a shooting war in Syria in conflict with nuclear-armed Russia. Frankly, it could lead to World War III and she has no sense," he said at a rally in Miami on Nov. 2.

I dont mind this thinking: move carefully in that area because there is so much below the surface than above

In an interview with The New York Times on Nov. 23, Trump said he had "some very strong ideas on Syria," but refused to publicly give specifics.

"I can only say this: We have to end that craziness that’s going on in Syria," he said, before taking the conversation off the record.

In a Jan. 25 interview with ABC News’ David Muir in the White House, Trump said that he’ll “absolutely do safe zones” to provide a space for refugees fleeing the conflict.

The reality is he has only had an opinion on the dangers of getting involved in Syria and the dangers the refugee issue creates. Both of them valid and neither of them ( to me) a good reason to remove people already in place. Certainly the ideal is a for Syria to oust Assad on their own , but then why dont people ask Russia to leave as well?

I have no idea what your point is & I don't agree that the ideal is for Assad to be ousted at all.

 

[Seeds]

Surely you jest, McCain is the biggest never Trumper around. The world really did dodge a bullet atomic bomb in 2008

He still would of voted for health care and tax cuts. Cant do that if he aint there now can he?

 

[rank and file]

If person A tries to grapple with complex real world issues and their econmic theories and Person B asks trite questions about those complex economic theories with the most basic of examples, who is contributing more to this thread?

Person B.

 

[GreyCrow]

I have no idea what your point is & I don't think that the ideal is for Assad to be ousted at all.

Just trying to post Trumps pre-election stance on Syria, as you didnt do it.

If you dont think Assad should be removed, either by outside influences or internal is disturbing

 

[Seeds]

Shhhhh, don't tell anyone ok?

You get this aint an argument for anything right? It is nice you are actually attempting a point this time rather then just childish dehumanizing name calling but still the point has to actually be something.

 

[GreyCrow]

You don't seem to recognise that if Assad lost and Isis (the strongest jihadi group) won, there would have been a blood bath, piles of heads in the thousands. How supporting this-because this is the most likely outcome of Assads military defeat is even considered anything but abominable is beyond me.

Can you point to where I said that he should be ousted by military defeat? Do you not believe in supporting the right of the people to elect leaders?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Shhhhh, don't tell anyone ok?

If this was all that happened it wouldn't have made a big deal at all.

Except, we know, he got up, and walked over and sat next to Putin for an hour. Even the rep's from other countries present were surprised.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Shhhhh, don't tell anyone ok?

Ian Bremmer,president of international consulting firm Eurasia Group, offering a markedly different account of the conversation in an interview with Bloomberg. “There were a lot of empty seats,” he said, setting the scene of the dinner, which followed a concert at the Elbphilharmonie, on the banks of the Elbe river. “Donald Trump got up from the table and sat down with Putin for about an hour. It was very animated and very friendly. Putin’s translator was translating. I found out about it because people were startled.”

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

If this was all that happened it wouldn't have made a big deal at all.

Except, we know, he got up, and walked over and sat next to Putin for an hour. Even the rep's from other countries present were surprised.

Not like him to offer half truths

 

[FredLeDeux]

Which were?

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-eva-bartletts-claims-about-syrian-children

http://www.snopes.com/syrian-rescue-organization-the-white-helmets-are-terrorists/

http://www.snopes.com/syrian-war-victims-are-being-recycled-and-al-quds-hospital-was-never-bombed/

 

[Happy Mastenator]

John McCain has just been diagnosed with brain cancer. Practically this means the Republican majority in the Senate narrows further if he has time off for treatment.

A bit of a Ted Kennedy situation.

Interestingly if he has to step down, or passes. The governor of arizona appoints someone, who has to be from the same party as McCain. Would hold the seat till the next general election when they would be up.

If it happens before 2018 mid terms would see both Flake and McCains seat up. If Dem's could get both. Wow.

 

[Ripper]

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-eva-bartletts-claims-about-syrian-children

http://www.snopes.com/syrian-rescue-organization-the-white-helmets-are-terrorists/

http://www.snopes.com/syrian-war-victims-are-being-recycled-and-al-quds-hospital-was-never-bombed/

Snopes ? LOL
The white hats have been sprung numerous time rescuing the same children.

Of course they would say that.

 

[Ripper]

A bit of a Ted Kennedy situation.

Interestingly if he has to step down, or passes. The governor of arizona appoints someone, who has to be from the same party as McCain. Would hold the seat till the next general election when they would be up.

If it happens before 2018 mid terms would see both Flake and McCains seat up. If Dem's could get both. Wow.

They have them both now effectively.

 

[Crow54]

John McCain has just been diagnosed with brain cancer. Practically this means the Republican majority in the Senate narrows further if he has time off for treatment.

That's sad. He's been through a lot in his lifetime.

 

[Todman]

John McCain has just been diagnosed with brain cancer. Practically this means the Republican majority in the Senate narrows further if he has time off for treatment.

I think it can be say to that it has been the tumour that has been making all his decisions lately.

 

[Maggie5]

I'll just leave it here until Meuller finishes his investigation...

 

[FredLeDeux]

Snopes ? LOL
The white hats have been sprung numerous time rescuing the same children.

Of course they would say that.

That's a lie, it hasn't happened.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

John McCain has just been diagnosed with brain cancer. Practically this means the Republican majority in the Senate narrows further if he has time off for treatment.

Dont they mirror in the usa like we do here?

 

[Showbags]

i.e I'm not watching anything that challenges my preconceived bias so I don't look or feel silly.

Can you respond to this post and explain the rationale behind this please (not having a go at you, I'd genuinely like to hear any possible justification for this from Trump supporters):

Can anyone explain to me the point of Trump repealing the estate tax? I'd like to hear Trump supporters try and defend this.

Mulvaney, Mnuchin and the corporate shills in the Republican Party are trying to sell the idea as a tax break for the average American. This is complete and utter horseshit as the estate tax doesn't apply to estates worth less than $5.5 million (married couples can give nearly $11 million without incurring the estate tax).

It can't be interpreted as anything other than Trump trying to help out his own family and rich mates. So much for him looking out for the middle class as he promised. This all comes within a backdrop of American income and wealth inequality being at record levels.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Dont they mirror in the usa like we do here?

Here it is a choice. A matter of etiquette. I can't imagine too much cooperation going on in the US right now.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Here it is a choice. A matter of etiquette. I can't imagine too much cooperation going on in the US right now.

Fair point. I know the convention has been challenged a few times here, but generally its held up. Usa is a diff beast though

 

[Ripper]

That's a lie, it hasn't happened.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-n...dmits-white-helmets-staged-fake-video/5559164