List Mgmt. 2017 Trade/Draft/FA SuperMegaUltra Thread - Post Trade-Period Edition

[Coaster2012]

I think he`s worth a 2nd chance and is keen to have a better cwack at it ..

Winning the sand over medal surely deserves him another crack at it. I find it hard to understand sometimes when we have players on our list that can't even get 15 touches in the WAFL, while there are other players raking up 30+ per game, and don't get a second look.

 

[Obeanie1]

Yep - Worth a rookie spot for sure for mine...Doesn't seem too popular around these parts though.
Nice bit of mongrel in him.

I haven't heard about him having some mongrel in him. That's good then, we need a harder edge. That has been one of our serious failures in list management, not identifying players with skill and a body size and attitude to bring a harder edge at the contest and the opposition.

 

[WCE_phil]

Im probably one of the biggest exponents of wanting Schloithe on the list. I feel we are very, very light on in the midfield once we get past shuey, sheed and redden on the inside and gaff on the outside. I'd be more than happy to use both 69 and 87 on Schloithe and Banfield if there is nothing better available. In saying that i'd probably prefers banners in as our first rookie and Scott Jones at 87.

 

[Eagle Wrath]

Im probably one of the biggest exponents of wanting Schloithe on the list. I feel we are very, very light on in the midfield once we get past shuey, sheed and redden on the inside and gaff on the outside. I'd be more than happy to use both 69 and 87 on Schloithe and Banfield if there is nothing better available. In saying that i'd probably prefers banners in as our first rookie and Scott Jones at 87.

Good story on him just on AFL.com

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-10-28/sandover-winner-fights-nerves-as-draft-hope-grows

"After finally getting an injury-free run, Schloithe's rare talent as a prolific ball-winner and attacking threat caught everyone's attention this year as he propelled his game to new heights.

He averaged 28 disposals and booted 30 goals in 22 matches, and was simply unstoppable during a mid-year purple patch. In a stunning five-game stretch he collected a combined 158 possessions and snared 17 majors – featuring three hauls of four goals and a bag of five.
"He can obviously have a real impact as a midfielder, but he's very dangerous in the forward 50 as well. The biggest thing for us is he makes his teammates better."

I didn't realize he was dangerous in the forward line. Like him even more now.

 

[juddy_Like]

The AFL just needs to change it so that you only have one main list. None of this main list/ rookie list BS. It’s the same thing anyways.

If it’s the contracts length you are worried about, make it:
Round 1 - 3 year contract
Round 2 & 3 - 2 years
Round 4 plus and cat B - 1 year

Minimum 42 players plus any cat B on the list and 4 cuts each year.

Baffles me why you need two drafts.

 

[Bender_]

The biggest knock on Schloithe is his surname; say the names Matera, Shuey, McGovern, JAKOVICH! out loud and they just scream grace and power.

When you say Schloithe it sounds like you're hocking up a lewgie.

Pass thanks.

 

[WCErevival]

The AFL just needs to change it so that you only have one main list. None of this main list/ rookie list BS. It’s the same thing anyways.

If it’s the contracts length you are worried about, make it:
Round 1 - 3 year contract
Round 2 & 3 - 2 years
Round 4 plus and cat B - 1 year

Minimum 42 players plus any cat B on the list and 4 cuts each year.

Baffles me why you need two drafts.

This will probably happen now the rookie list is basically useless.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So under what scenario would I take Oscar Allen?

To analyse this, you need to understand what has been taken and what options we may have left.



So we have a list of 18 that are seen as being before or at our pick.

Forget any of the first 3 lines being there at 13. That takes out 9 players so half the field is certain.

Bonar has really risen into top 10 calculations with a successful return from injury, great combine and excellent showing late in the year. Who knows on him – views from Victoria is he and Brayshaw are the risers.

That takes it to 10 meaning 2 more to be selected prior to West Coast.

In the event that Clark and Constable were taken before any of the talls, then we will be faced with the dilemma of taking an O’Brien (an outside mid and may be the final act for uncle Rohan) or reaching for an inside mid or taking a tall.

I would not bid on Naish as he is not worth 13.
If Bonar was the only prospect left other than talls, provided our medical team are OK, no drama pulling the trigger.

In terms of the mids available at 20 to 30, they are pretty even so I would not want to reach as we have 3 good picks around the 21 to 32 mark. Some of the others are flankers that I do not think meet our needs (Murphy, Richards, Garner, etc).

So to talls. There would be a choice of Brander, Naughton, Hayes, Allen Balta as the talls touted for the first round. The order I place them is the order I would take them.

Allen for me is only the 4th best tall in the draft. I hear the shouts that he is clean below his knees and may be able to play as a mid. That is a bloody big gamble at pick 13. If he was not from WA, we would not even be talking about him. Would I be furious? No, just disappointed. I like him but he is not an area of need nor is he the best available tall at our pick.

Over the past 3 drafts, excluding rookies and father and sons, out of the 11 in the main draft we have only taken 1 West Australian.

 

[getgaff]

Good write up Asterix. Agree that 13 is to early for Oscar Allen but if he is still available with our first pick in the 20's I'd feel comfortable with the club drafting him there.

I'm a fan of him, think he can become a higher half forward that connects ball movement from the midfield to forward line. Use his running power similarly to what Lynch does at Adelaide.

 

[Suma Magic]

So under what scenario would I take Oscar Allen?

To analyse this, you need to understand what has been taken and what options we may have left.

View attachment 432537

So we have a list of 18 that are seen as being before or at our pick.

Forget any of the first 3 lines being there at 13. That takes out 9 players so half the field is certain.

Bonar has really risen into top 10 calculations with a successful return from injury, great combine and excellent showing late in the year. Who knows on him – views from Victoria is he and Brayshaw are the risers.

That takes it to 10 meaning 2 more to be selected prior to West Coast.

In the event that Clark and Constable were taken before any of the talls, then we will be faced with the dilemma of taking an O’Brien (an outside mid and may be the final act for uncle Rohan) or reaching for an inside mid or taking a tall.

I would not bid on Naish as he is not worth 13.
If Bonar was the only prospect left other than talls, provided our medical team are OK, no drama pulling the trigger.

In terms of the mids available at 20 to 30, they are pretty even so I would not want to reach as we have 3 good picks around the 21 to 32 mark. Some of the others are flankers that I do not think meet our needs (Murphy, Richards, Garner, etc).

So to talls. There would be a choice of Brander, Naughton, Hayes, Allen Balta as the talls touted for the first round. The order I place them is the order I would take them.

Allen for me is only the 4th best tall in the draft. I hear the shouts that he is clean below his knees and may be able to play as a mid. That is a bloody big gamble at pick 13. If he was not from WA, we would not even be talking about him. Would I be furious? No, just disappointed. I like him but he is not an area of need nor is he the best available tall at our pick.

Over the past 3 drafts, excluding rookies and father and sons, out of the 11 in the main draft we have only taken 1 West Australian.

A good chance that one of those 18 will be available at 21. I'd be happy with a tall slider there.

 

[WCErevival]

Allen is pointless to me since we already have Waterman.

 

[Boohemian]

The biggest knock on Schloithe is his surname; say the names Matera, Shuey, McGovern, JAKOVICH! out loud and they just scream grace and power.

When you say Schloithe it sounds like you're hocking up a lewgie.

Pass thanks.

True dat.

The pronunciation just makes me shudder. Sounds like nickname for an appendage. Like schlong.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Im probably one of the biggest exponents of wanting Schloithe on the list. I feel we are very, very light on in the midfield once we get past shuey, sheed and redden on the inside and gaff on the outside. I'd be more than happy to use both 69 and 87 on Schloithe and Banfield if there is nothing better available. In saying that i'd probably prefers banners in as our first rookie and Scott Jones at 87.

I reckon we'll end up with all three of Schloithe, Kelly and Ryan on our list in 2018. How, and at what picks I'll leave to the experts, but I wouldn't be disappointed at all if it happens.

 

[Obeanie1]

So under what scenario would I take Oscar Allen?

To analyse this, you need to understand what has been taken and what options we may have left.

View attachment 432537

So we have a list of 18 that are seen as being before or at our pick.

Forget any of the first 3 lines being there at 13. That takes out 9 players so half the field is certain.

Bonar has really risen into top 10 calculations with a successful return from injury, great combine and excellent showing late in the year. Who knows on him – views from Victoria is he and Brayshaw are the risers.

That takes it to 10 meaning 2 more to be selected prior to West Coast.

In the event that Clark and Constable were taken before any of the talls, then we will be faced with the dilemma of taking an O’Brien (an outside mid and may be the final act for uncle Rohan) or reaching for an inside mid or taking a tall.

I would not bid on Naish as he is not worth 13.
If Bonar was the only prospect left other than talls, provided our medical team are OK, no drama pulling the trigger.

In terms of the mids available at 20 to 30, they are pretty even so I would not want to reach as we have 3 good picks around the 21 to 32 mark. Some of the others are flankers that I do not think meet our needs (Murphy, Richards, Garner, etc).

So to talls. There would be a choice of Brander, Naughton, Hayes, Allen Balta as the talls touted for the first round. The order I place them is the order I would take them.

Allen for me is only the 4th best tall in the draft. I hear the shouts that he is clean below his knees and may be able to play as a mid. That is a bloody big gamble at pick 13. If he was not from WA, we would not even be talking about him. Would I be furious? No, just disappointed. I like him but he is not an area of need nor is he the best available tall at our pick.

Over the past 3 drafts, excluding rookies and father and sons, out of the 11 in the main draft we have only taken 1 West Australian.

What this indicates is unless some clubs take a couple of taller non mids we will be left with a choice of using 13 on the 11th or 12th rated mid in the draft OR we use 13 on the 2nd or 3rd best rated tall.

So we better get ready for a tall to be picked at 13 and not go into melt down. If all the quality mids are gone we should pick the highest rated player at 13 and then use the next four picks on players like L Fogarty, Kelly, Meirs, Garner, Worpel or Bailey types. 69 will end up 64 so maybe Schloithe or if increadibly luck Starcevich or Jones as a ruck option. Patmore and Ryan as rookies.

 

[getgaff]

Allen is pointless to me since we already have Waterman.

One of the two can spend more time midfield.

May allow us to trade Darling next year like the fans want

 

[liam123]

If you had to choose one or the other which would you pick?

Think we can turn gunston into a midfielder at some point so take him with 13. Bock has amazing agility (can turn on a dime) so he's the small crumbling forward who should slide till 37. Any of you dickheads disagree with me you can GTFO

 

[WCErevival]

One of the two can spend more time midfield.

May allow us to trade Darling next year like the fans want

I'd rather we draft an actual midfielder.

 

[Bender_]

I'd rather we draft an actual midfielder.

Why do you keep getting banned?

 

[WCErevival]

Why do you keep getting banned?

I asked to be because I was procrastinating too much instead of getting uni work finished.

 

[bzparkes]

I asked to be because I was procrastinating too much instead of getting uni work finished.

You should hang out with avishka5

 

[matt_bas]

One of the two can spend more time midfield.

May allow us to trade Darling next year like the fans want

Should have traded Dealing for an extra pick this year. That pick could have gotten us Allen. FFS missed the boat. I can see Allen being our next Darling!!

 

[WCE_phil]

Should have traded Dealing for an extra pick this year. That pick could have gotten us Allen. FFS missed the boat. I can see Allen being our next Darling!!

It's sad but i fear some might not get the subtlety of this.

 

[dajesmac]

If we recruited Schloithe he would just be another Hutchings.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

If we recruited Schloithe he would just be another Hutchings.

I think Schloithe offers more versatility in terms of position and ability to hit the scoreboard. An upgrade, IMO.

 

[dajesmac]

I think Schloithe offers more versatility in terms of position and ability to hit the scoreboard. An upgrade, IMO.

I dunno. Hutch looks very good at WAFL level himself. Hopefully I'm wrong, as I think we will pull the trigger at pick 67.