Society/Culture Nobody has anything new to say about God.

[chelseacarlton]

Dawkins have said if you give a monkey infinity he will write shakespeake. But 14 billion years is not infinity. Our universe (lets talk about the solar system) is guided by precise and clear mathematical laws. They are an accident? do you know what the probability of such an accident occuring would be in 14 billion years which tiny on a cosmic scale?

But see i still dont see atheism as a logical position, i mean agnositicm clearly is the most logical position here, and i am fine with that.

Your projecting mate!
Our universe is teaming with life!
Look up at night,clusters,galaxies,stars and planets!
Our very own planet is a giant living breathing beast of a life!
Life is inevitable in the universe!
It’s not special,it’s just the way this universe is!
I don’t know what else to say to this,accident perhaps!
Maybe life,abiogenesis,was formed shortly after the Big Bang,there were enough elements and devastating power and heat to form it almost at ground zero and it spread throughout the entirety of the current universe as we know it.
That’s the best I can do!

 

[Boston tiger]

I’ll let the great man take it from here,RIP dude,you were only meant to live til you were 30,76 years noice

In absolute awe of this guy.. any bloke that can upgrade the missus whilst stuck inside the body of a shriveled up prune deserves respect. RIP

 

[Total Power]

Your projecting mate!
Our universe is teaming with life!
Look up at night,clusters,galaxies,stars and planets!
Our very own planet is a giant living breathing beast of a life!
Life is inevitable in the universe!
It’s not special,it’s just the way this universe is!
I don’t know what else to say to this,accident perhaps!
Maybe life,abiogenesis,was formed shortly after the Big Bang,there were enough elements and devastating power and heat to form it almost at ground zero and it spread throughout the entirety of the current universe as we know it.
That’s the best I can do!

Life needs precise mathematical and physical laws to form itself. I don't disagree that our universe is teaming with life and we are not very important in the grand scheme of things, now we are talking. Yet we place so much emphasis on our knowledge and our existence thinking we are just an accident. This isn't the case. Life is not inevitable unless life is governed by the laws of nature. This is why i said our universe is guided by precise mathematical laws and no one above the law, even planets. You must understand the limitations of science, which is just observation, science cannot explain the force behind it, which Newton originally asked.

Max Born, Nobel Prize for Physics:

“There are metaphysical problems, which cannot be disposed of by declaring them meaningless. For, as I have repeatedly said, they are ‘beyond physics’ indeed and demand an act of faith. We have to accept this fact to be honest. There are two objectionable types of believers: those who believe the incredible and those who believe that ‘belief’ must be discarded and replaced by ‘the scientific method.’



Hear hear, understand that we know nothing about anything. Science itself is useless is understanding our existence. It avoids the question of how it is possible for consciousness to arise from inert matter. Inherently this does not make sense, and no mechanism has ever been proposed. Most believers of this theory seem to think that if you simply make a system more and more complex, eventually it will spontaneously become conscious. (Cf. the 'singularity' cult.)

There is exactly zero evidence for this. It has never been observed, and no intellectual framework exists to explain it. It's nothing more than an article of faith.

In earlier centuries there was a theory of ‘spontaneous generation’. For example, it was thought that that maggots spontaneously came into existence from rotting meat. Physicalism seems to be based on a very similar notion of spontaneous generation of consciousness from dead matter.

Consciousness arising from inert matter is not science, it’s a kind of secular religion.

The most complex computer or AI program has exactly as much consciousness as the teaspoon I use to stir my tea.

Consciousness is qualitatively entirely different from mere neuro-biological interactions or information processing. I find impossible to have faith that inert matter can miraculously become conscious. It's simply not rational.

 

[Procrastinator35]

so why start this thread then?

god doesnt exist. anyone who is a moron knows this. why pander to morons.

EFA....Such a sweet syllogism that.

You seem to spend a fair bit of time in here too.

Also...Learn to capitalise & punctuate.

 

[Procrastinator35]

God can just pop into existence.
Only things which are not God need a maker.....
So sayeth the.....word escapes me and is probably on the swear filter anyway.

Damn it....And here I was thinking that I was the only one in possession of a magic genie bottle.

In the beggining was the Word, & the word was God/Good....Man dumb-struck by the hammer of Hephaestus....Language & concepts as the camera obscura.

God begins where language ends.

 

[Pie eyed]

Mythologies are not fairy tales, atleast try to learn before making ignorant statements, myths can contain profound truths without it being historically accrurate. I dont even have to dig deeper but from wiki:

Mythology refers variously to the collected myths of a group of people[1] or to the study of such myths.[2]

A folklore genre, myth is a feature of every culture. Many sources for myths have been proposed, ranging from personification of nature or personification of natural phenomena, to truthful or hyperbolic accounts of historical events to explanations of existing rituals. A culture's collective mythology helps convey belonging, shared and religious experiences, behavioral models, and moral and practical lessons.

Recent approaches often view myths as manifestations of psychological, cultural, or societal truths, rather than as inaccurate historical accounts.








There was no wikipedia back then, myth was used to propagate truths, its found in every single culture.

You can justify your belief in fairy tales anyway you like. Cut and paste all the shit you like from new age herbal crystal lickers sites.
Don't expect me to accept such crap.

 

[Seeds]

EFA....Such a sweet syllogism that.

You seem to spend a fair bit of time in here too.

Also...Learn to capitalise & punctuate.

i post on an ipad which doesnt do capitals unless i press an extra button twice. why waste the effort?

 

[RupieDupie]

Life needs precise mathematical and physical laws to form itself. I don't disagree that our universe is teaming with life and we are not very important in the grand scheme of things, now we are talking. Yet we place so much emphasis on our knowledge and our existence thinking we are just an accident. This isn't the case. Life is not inevitable unless life is governed by the laws of nature. This is why i said our universe is guided by precise mathematical laws and no one above the law, even planets. You must understand the limitations of science, which is just observation, science cannot explain the force behind it, which Newton originally asked.

Max Born, Nobel Prize for Physics:

“There are metaphysical problems, which cannot be disposed of by declaring them meaningless. For, as I have repeatedly said, they are ‘beyond physics’ indeed and demand an act of faith. We have to accept this fact to be honest. There are two objectionable types of believers: those who believe the incredible and those who believe that ‘belief’ must be discarded and replaced by ‘the scientific method.’



Hear hear, understand that we know nothing about anything. Science itself is useless is understanding our existence. It avoids the question of how it is possible for consciousness to arise from inert matter. Inherently this does not make sense, and no mechanism has ever been proposed. Most believers of this theory seem to think that if you simply make a system more and more complex, eventually it will spontaneously become conscious. (Cf. the 'singularity' cult.)

There is exactly zero evidence for this. It has never been observed, and no intellectual framework exists to explain it. It's nothing more than an article of faith.

In earlier centuries there was a theory of ‘spontaneous generation’. For example, it was thought that that maggots spontaneously came into existence from rotting meat. Physicalism seems to be based on a very similar notion of spontaneous generation of consciousness from dead matter.

Consciousness arising from inert matter is not science, it’s a kind of secular religion.

The most complex computer or AI program has exactly as much consciousness as the teaspoon I use to stir my tea.

Consciousness is qualitatively entirely different from mere neuro-biological interactions or information processing. I find impossible to have faith that inert matter can miraculously become conscious. It's simply not rational.

Given that you claim consciousness is non-local, why couldn’t it inhabit your teaspoon?

 

[Total Power]

You can justify your belief in fairy tales anyway you like. Cut and paste all the shit you like from new age herbal crystal lickers sites.
Don't expect me to accept such crap.

Ok then choose to be ignorant, i am telling you mythology is not fairy tale, but it must be so cause you said so? I am not here to convince you if you got your head in sand i am not interested to pull you out of it, but do read up about stuff before flapping your gums.

 

[RupieDupie]

Ok then choose to be ignorant, i am telling you mythology is not fairy tale, but it must be so cause you said so? I am not here to convince you if you got your head in sand i am not interested to pull you out of it, but do read up about stuff before flapping your gums.

But wouldn’t it be that if millions of people thought mythology was a fairy tale it should be considered so?

See how your arguments come unstuck?

 

[Total Power]

But wouldn’t it be that if millions of people thought mythology was a fairy tale it should be considered so?

See how your arguments come unstuck?

I have no interest in replying to you mate after our last discussion, knock yourself out, claim what you want i am not here for point scoring. A fact that a "Gnostic" doesn't know what mythology is ironic, please don't quote me, thanks.

 

[Snake_Baker]

But wouldn’t it be that if millions of people thought mythology was a fairy tale it should be considered so?

Since when did this matter to the delusional?

 

[RupieDupie]

Since when did this matter to the delusional?

The issue seems to be that people are allowed to be subjective, or subjective experiences can be used to provide “evidence” for supernatural phenomena, but people cannot be subjective or use subjective experiences to state that supernatural phenomena do not exist, to wit, I’ve never witnessed nor experienced supernatural phenomena therefore it doesn’t exist. Definitely a case of the early worm calling the kettle black.

Secondly it seems a certain poster, which doesn’t want me to quote them, and doesn’t want to respond to me, because of my religious beliefs, that is, even though we’re made from similar stuff and have similar beliefs, I’m a different kind of Gnostic to this poster... anywho, this certain poster is making statements based on the “material” world and if they justify why they made these statements they will find themselves arguing for “local” consciousness through the use of observation, ergo, Science.

 

[Snake_Baker]

The issue seems to be that people are allowed to be subjective, or subjective experiences can be used to provide “evidence” for supernatural phenomena, but people cannot be subjective or use subjective experiences to state that supernatural phenomena do not exist, to wit, I’ve never witnessed nor experienced supernatural phenomena therefore it doesn’t exist. Definitely a case of the early worm calling the kettle black.

Secondly it seems a certain poster, which doesn’t want me to quote them, and doesn’t want to respond to me, because of my religious beliefs, that is, even though we’re made from similar stuff and have similar beliefs, I’m a different kind of Gnostic to this poster... anywho, this certain poster is making statements based on the “material” world and if they justify why they made these statements they will find themselves arguing for “local” consciousness through the use of observation, ergo, Science.

Autoethnography mate. The bane of academia.

The universities have become polluted with this shit and now it is leaking widespread in to contemporary society.

http://www.sagepub.net/isa/resources/pdf/Autoethnography.pdf

 

[RupieDupie]

Autoethnography mate. The bane of academia.

The universities have become polluted with this shit and now it is leaking widespread in to contemporary society.

http://www.sagepub.net/isa/resources/pdf/Autoethnography.pdf

Like gonzo journalism for ethnographers, or a Twitter / Facebook “hey look at me” for Science. It would be a queer way of doing Science, making it a journey of self exploration, like when Huxley went on an acid trip.

Did you know the female praying mantis, from what I understand, only eats the male’s head during copulation under laboratory conditions, in the wild, apparently, they don’t, the experimental setting creates the result.

Laboratory Scientist - “don’t mind me little praying mantis, just go about your business”
Praying mantis - “Fook, I’m having stage fright, I’m going to pretend I’m just eating instead”

But then the queer thing would be the laboratory write up,

“I had been trying to find that one perfect praying mantis orgasm face. And then I saw it. When the female praying mantis bit the head off the male praying mantis, I saw two great big beady eyes looking back at me, the reflection of myself wearing my safety glasses in the glass praying mantis container, with my eyes wide open and my mouth drawn back in disgust”

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/27/Face_of_Praying_Mantis.jpg

 

[Total Power]

even though we’re made from similar stuff and have similar beliefs, I’m a different kind of Gnostic to this poster... anywho, this certain poster is making statements based on the “material” world and if they justify why they made these statements they will find themselves arguing for “local” consciousness through the use of observation, ergo, Science.

Ironic coming from someone who doesnt understand mythology, one of the core tenants of Gnosticism, Call yourself an atheist, it suits you better, "different kind of gnostic", yeah more like a fraud. P35 called you out long time ago, you are better off liking snakey's post. As i said knock yourself out please do not quote me in the future thanks, if you wish to talk about gnosticsm, learn about it first. You are free to have whatever belief you want to but Gnostic you are not. A person with no comprehension of what mythology is about is not a gnostics arseh*le, as i said you and snakey are better off getting a room.

for example

Most mythologems found in Gnostic scriptures possess psychological relevance and applicability. For instance the blind and arrogant creator-demiurge bears a close resemblance to the alienated human ego that has lost contact with the ontological Self. Also, the myth of Sophia resembles closely the story of the human psyche that loses its connection with the collective unconscious and needs to be rescued by the Self. Analogies of this sort exist in great profusion.

http://gnosis.org/gnintro.htm

These myths are not subjective, they have been carried from generation to gernation for ages through various symbols, they are the same. Your statement/opinion shows you know absolutely nothing about anything that is Gnositicsm, have you read Jung or he is too dumb for your intellect? Ignoring the basic tenants of Gnosticsm which is mythology and symbology. Have you ever read Gnostic Gospels? or that's not needed cause you think you are above them?

you wouldn't have a clue what archetypes and symbolism and mythology is, cause you are a "different" type of gnostic. yeah i said above you are like a christian who doesnt believe in christ...more like a fraud, as i said you are better off calling yourself an athiest or cultist. I actually don't give a shit what you believe in, as long as you don't call yourself a Gnostic. Just stop wasting my time quoting me thanks, i have avoided replying to you at all times.

 

[RupieDupie]

Here’s me just writing a few random thoughts.

Some people find Gnosticism on authoritative websites, some people find Gnosticism through discovery, observation and meditation.

Some people justify some of their beliefs in Gnosticism by quoting scientists, some people give evidence for their Gnosticism which they have found on their path of discovery

Some people are Christians because they do what an old guy wearing a dress tells them to do, other Christians also read the non-traditional gospels of Christ - “The kingdom of God is inside you and all around you. Not in places of wood and stone. Split a wooden stick and I am there and lift a stone and you shall find me”

 

[Total Power]

Here’s me just writing a few random thoughts.

Some people find Gnosticism on authoritative websites, some people find Gnosticism through discovery, observation and meditation.

Some people justify some of their beliefs in Gnosticism by quoting scientists, some people give evidence for their Gnosticism which they have found on their path of discovery

Some people are Christians because they do what an old guy wearing a dress tells them to do, other Christians also read the non-traditional gospels of Christ - “The kingdom of God is inside you and all around you. Not in places of wood and stone. Split a wooden stick and I am there and lift a stone and you shall find me”

who the **** justifying their gnostic position by quoting science? what i did in the past 20 pages was me quoting renowned scientists who werent gnostics, thats me trying to explain what science actually says. Gnosticism is all about the inner worlds it got nothing to do with the outer world outside of upright action, that is what mythologies are all about, david killing goalith is not about 2 people fighting, its about slaying your ego. But somehow you think me talking about science = gnosticism. holy shit, could you get any more clueless?

The fact that you don't know what role mythologies play in understanding human psyche goes to show you are not a gnostic, just stop calling yourself one. Meditation is also a central tenant of gnosticsm as you learn about "you" (the real you). You don't believe in any of them, i bet you never even tried. You dont believe in the core tenants of gnosticism but you are a gnostic cause you said so, well ok then, you are a gnostic, happy?

 

[Procrastinator35]

Autoethnography mate. The bane of academia.

The universities have become polluted with this shit and now it is leaking widespread in to contemporary society.

http://www.sagepub.net/isa/resources/pdf/Autoethnography.pdf

You've certainly plumbed the depths to bring that guff to the surface.

We're not, all of us, trapped in the post-modern milleu Snakey.....It's mostly lost atheists who trawl that particular wreck.

 

[Boston tiger]

Here’s me just writing a few random thoughts.

Some people find Gnosticism on authoritative websites, some people find Gnosticism through discovery, observation and meditation.

Some people justify some of their beliefs in Gnosticism by quoting scientists, some people give evidence for their Gnosticism which they have found on their path of discovery

Some people are Christians because they do what an old guy wearing a dress tells them to do, other Christians also read the non-traditional gospels of Christ - “The kingdom of God is inside you and all around you. Not in places of wood and stone. Split a wooden stick and I am there and lift a stone and you shall find me”

There is no doubting that gnostics are the cool dudes of the religious world.

 

[chelseacarlton]

In absolute awe of this guy.. any bloke that can upgrade the missus whilst stuck inside the body of a shriveled up prune deserves respect. RIP

Yes,because that’s all Stephen Hawking offered the world!

I bet your first thought upon hearing of Hawkings death was “he’s now meeting his maker or burning in hell!”

 

[chelseacarlton]

“God is beyond space and time”
Bullshit,prove it!

“God is eternal”
Bullshit,prove it!

 

[Total Power]

“God is beyond space and time”
Bullshit,prove it!

“God is eternal”
Bullshit,prove it!

Matter originates from consciousness, not the other way around. Why dont you prove that consciousness originated from dead matter? what is your theory? i call it pseudo science.

"All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force... We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter." -Planck


This is proven to be true, even recent experiments confirmed it. But yeah, must be false cause an atheist said so.

The famous John Hopkins head of physics and NASA scientist RC Henry said

“A fundamental conclusion of the new physics also acknowledges that the observer creates the reality. As observers, we are personally involved with the creation of our own reality. Physicists are being forced to admit that the universe is a "mental" construction.”
— R.C. Henry, Professor of Physics and Astronomy

 

[Boston tiger]

Yes,because that’s all Stephen Hawking offered the world!

I bet your first thought upon hearing of Hawkings death was “he’s now meeting his maker or burning in hell!”

Purgatory first .. let’s not jump the gun.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Purgatory first .. let’s not jump the gun.

Name me one thing christianity has done in the last 2000 years that has aided all of humanity,just one!