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Bit of Talk about S Grays contract negotiations hitting a wall. Am I crazy for thinking we’d be looking for an early 2nd rounder for him?
I would say Papley is worth something like pick 12-15.Interested to know what people think Papley is worth? Few rumours he’d like to get back to Vic.
You're not exactly aiming for the cream of the crop in those three. Jake Kelly is an interesting one and being an Adelaide supporter, I am possibly not the right person to comment but I would say something like pick 35 would be his worth. In saying that, I would only trade him for 35 if he requested a trade.There's a few out of contract players I could see the Dogs taking an interest in (besides the high demand guys). Curious what people estimate their worth to be:
- Sam Frost (Mel)
- Jake Kelly (Ade)
- Pat Kerr (Car)
Yeah I know these aren't exactly high value players (Kelly obviously being worth more than the other two), but with the success we've seen in picking up Crozier, Duryea and Lloyd for absolute peanuts after being on the fringe at their original clubs, I was curious about these types of players.You're not exactly aiming for the cream of the crop in those three. Jake Kelly is an interesting one and being an Adelaide supporter, I am possibly not the right person to comment but I would say something like pick 35 would be his worth. In saying that, I would only trade him for 35 if he requested a trade.
Sam Frost and Pat Kerr would have to be some chance of being delisted this year. I could be wrong though as I don't know enough about either of them.
Kerr's been great this season in the VFL. Probably gets 2 years from Carlton.You're not exactly aiming for the cream of the crop in those three. Jake Kelly is an interesting one and being an Adelaide supporter, I am possibly not the right person to comment but I would say something like pick 35 would be his worth. In saying that, I would only trade him for 35 if he requested a trade.
Sam Frost and Pat Kerr would have to be some chance of being delisted this year. I could be wrong though as I don't know enough about either of them.
He started the year off in incredible form, but his last month or so has been utter dogshit. Is he carrying any injuries I'm just not aware of? I picked him out as a potential low risk, high reward type of acquisition. Figured his price can't be too high considering Carlton's depth in KPPs and his recent drop in form, but was wondering where others might value himKerr's been great this season in the VFL. Probably gets 2 years from Carlton.
Karl Amon.....3rd round?
Probably would've come for a 4th last year, but we ran out of time to get anything sorted. Rumoured Clarkson is still keen. He's had a better 2019.Gee you would hate to lose him for that.
I’m not sure how much more you could get for him but you would do everything to keep him at that price.
Yeah I know these aren't exactly high value players (Kelly obviously being worth more than the other two), but with the success we've seen in picking up Crozier, Duryea and Lloyd for absolute peanuts after being on the fringe at their original clubs, I was curious about these types of players.
Dogs have Pick 40, 44 and 45 right now, so I'd imagine based on what you said that Kelly for Pick 40 is a possibility, since I believe we had enquired about him previously (assuming he'd even want a trade in a first place)
They are fringe because I'd consider both in the bottom ~4 players in their clubs 22. Duryea missed only a handful of games since debut, while Crozier played 19 games in his final Freo season. Both were in their respective club's 22, but right down the bottom, so I'd consider them both having been fringe players.Not sure why you think Kelly or Frost are fringe players - both have played every game for their respective clubs this year. Kelly is 24, Frost is 25.
Marcus Adams trade last year is probably the best recent comparison. He was traded at 25yo for pick 32 and hawthorns 3rd this year (likely mid 40’s). Kelly is worth a bit more than that, Frost a bit less. P40 by itself won’t get you either of them.
They are fringe because I'd consider both in the bottom ~4 players in their clubs 22. Duryea missed only a handful of games since debut, while Crozier played 19 games in his final Freo season. Both were in their respective club's 22, but right down the bottom, so I'd consider them both having been fringe players.
Marcus Adams was contracted, and was an extremely good defender even on his worst days. He held far more value than either of Frost or Kelly both on ability and contract status. The only thing that tanked his price is his injury history.
You're welcome to share your opinion of actual value of each player - Marcus was traded for the equivalent of roughly Pick 19/20 - are you saying you think Kelly is worth more than that?
Fair enough, this is why I wanted to ask because it's really hard to value these guys from an objective view. I would have thought Kelly is closer to a pick in the 30s and Frost a pick in the 40s, but I guess I could be undervaluing themFair enough, we probably have different definitions of Fringe.
IMO ability wise Kelly > Adams > Frost
The fact Adams was contracted is negated by his poor injury history. Both Kelly and Frost have proven to be a lot more durable.
Based on a single pick value I’d say Kelly would cost pick 15-25 and Frost would be 20-30. More realistically it would be multiple picks in the 30’s for either of them. P40 by itself is well short of the mark.
Fair enough, this is why I wanted to ask because it's really hard to value these guys from an objective view. I would have thought Kelly is closer to a pick in the 30s and Frost a pick in the 40s, but I guess I could be undervaluing them
No way a late 20's pick for frost. More early 40'sBased on trades for similar aged key position defenders across the past few years I’d rank them:
Lever >>> May > Hamling > Kelly > Adams > S. Frost > Marchbank >>> Roughead > Hombsch > J. Frost
Melbourne overpaid for May and WB took unders for Hamling and probably Roughead (noting that he is a bit older than the other players listed).
Based on the trades above and Kelly/ Frost being uncontracted it would be a low to mid 20’s pick for Kelly and a late 20s pick for Frost (or more likely the equivalent in later picks).
No way a late 20's pick for frost. More early 40's
Nothing to do with what picks the dogs have. He ain't worth that.Do you have any reasoning to back that up? Or do you say that because the bulldogs have 3 picks in the early 40s?
What flavour are you afterIs Laverde worth more than a bag of chips?
Only worth a barbecue Samboy imoRed Rock Deli Sea Salt and Balsamic Vinegar