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If West Coast win the 2019 premiership are they superior to Brisbane 2001-2003 and Hawthorn 2013-2015?
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Thats nothing compared to geelong posters saying if they won a fourth flag it makes them superior to hawthorn, despite many of them arguing thats the case anyway. Gone a bit quiet recently
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No.
Hawthorn (like Brisbane in 03) lost their QF, won a semi then won a PF on the road THEN won a GF.
Home ground advantages in a GF is a load of tripe. So many non Victorian teams have debunked this, particularly WC last year.
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Yet how many times have non Vic teams beaten Vic teams in a GF at their home grounds?
Excuses excuses .. sure you arent a baby Tiger??
We won because we were good enough, we werent in 2015 when Hodgey acknowledged the crowd support, to deny the disadvantage to a travelling club ....
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Doesn't matter.
Maybe the non Vic team was far superior to the Vic team so won despite the advantage? How many times has a non Vic team lost a grand final vs a Vic team after beating them the previous encounter at home? Of those that lost how many of them finished higher on the ladder?
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Wow talk about going the early crow. WC win one flag all of a sudden they're talked about along side Hawks & Lions 3 peat's!
I mean WC look unstoppable & are the clear premiership favourites but let's be honest anything can happen.
I mean WC look unstoppable & are the clear premiership favourites but let's be honest anything can happen.
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No because we still had to actually pick those players - so there was skill involved - norm smith medallist dean kemp was picked at pick 120 or so....
Where turning up to your home ground to play a higher ranked interstate opponent is just a built in advantage you get every time you are in a gf
You didn't have credibility before this thread, but even Tim Gossage would be embarrassed by your original post.
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I agree, we were not good enough in 2015. But Victoria embarrassed itself with the crap headlines by Rita "whatever" to try and bring the spotlight on WC's 2006 G.F win by making it dirty. A true "Lowblow" by a high profile Hawthorn supporter.
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In what respect?
H & A record during their respective 3-peats:
Hawthorn 52-14 144.2%
Brisbane 48-1-17 128.7%
Hawthorn was a clearly superior team and did it without all of the cap concessions that the Lions were afforded.
This has been done to death, but theres very few cases where a non vic team has had to play a vic team at the MCG:
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they think they had a case to play it at their home ground
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That team can take all the results between the two clubs for that year and say categorically they would have won had the game been played at the alternate ground
The example given of Hawks v eagles 2015. Hawks won 2 of 3 games that year including one at subiaco (there were two subicao games)
In any case AFL rules at the time nominated hawthorn as the home team because they had beaten the top team (freo) - the rule has since been changed
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they think they had a case to play it at their home ground
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That team can take all the results between the two clubs for that year and say categorically they would have won had the game been played at the alternate ground
The example given of Hawks v eagles 2015. Hawks won 2 of 3 games that year including one at subiaco (there were two subicao games)
In any case AFL rules at the time nominated hawthorn as the home team because they had beaten the top team (freo) - the rule has since been changed
Not that often, and even less cases where they have won. The whole scenario is quite rare
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The H&A fixture is not fair or even, basing finals advantage based on H&A ladder position isn't fair but it's done for the finals where it can be done.
The grand final is at the G, it's not my clubs fault that it is there, we don't even play all our home games at the G, in fact we average 6 home games at the G a year.
We get a lot of bleating on here from interstate supporters about Vic Bias and advantage on here as well which happily ignores the things that work in favor of interstate teams making the grand final.
I'm not going to argue that traveling doesn't cause issues but we've had grand finals were the interstate team has played more games at the G than the Victorian team who doesn't have the G has their home ground and HGA was still brought up as an excuse for why the Victorian team won on the day.
My point wasn't that the 92 and 94 flags were worth less, my point was that people like to come up with stupid arguments to devalue success.
The whole premise of this thread is my 2 is better than your 3 because xxx like who cares, if you win two you should just be enjoying the fact you won 2 instead of trying to work out how to score points against clubs that won in the past.
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That's like hating WA because Brad Hardie says stupid things sometimes.
A genuine non event ..
The Lions travelled, sadly for the Hawks, they were first & it is still the outstanding feat of the AFL era, be happy with the most flags
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It doesn't make it a superior achievement. It just means that they were first. Lleyton Hewitt was number one before Roger Federer but nobody would argue that getting there first makes this achievement superior.
The whole travelling thing is mitigated by the fact that interstate teams have a true home ground advantage during the regular season and that the VIC teams largely play on a neutral venue for many "home" games.
And if a team can't perform on the MCG in the last game of the year in front of a largely corporate crowd where any home ground advantage is significantly nullified then it is entirely on them. This bleating about VIC advantage is a nonsense. The best team invariably wins.
The record of the two teams needs to be taken into account and on that measure Hawthorn was a better football team.
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I think away from the internet a lot of eagles supporters think like Kaiser and hercules.
Freo fans by comparison are nearly all humble and well balanced.
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