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It was ill-advised politically, that's for sure.
More and more media are picking up on the repeated dismissals of Bernie:
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Why Does Mainstream Media Keep Attacking Bernie Sanders as He Wins?
Bernie Sanders keeps surprising cynical pundits in his second presidential run.
According to morning consult about a candidate's supporters' second preference:
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Unsurprising that Buttigieg supporters go to Bloomberg. You can go to the link and click on the faces to see percentages.
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Unsurprising that Buttigieg supporters go to Bloomberg. You can go to the link and click on the faces to see percentages.
Pete rising to 4% among black voters.
His surogate AOC has already started backpedalling to appease the Culinary Union. It may get their votes, but how do the Bernie Bros feel about it? Will they accept the compromise?
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If they do, its a bloody good sign
Im in favour of universal health care, but spend any time listening to US peeps talk about it, and there is still a big fear of handing over 100% of healthcare to govt (who generally * s**t up over there). step by step imo is more likely to get people on board
According to morning consult about a candidate's supporters' second preference:
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Unsurprising that Buttigieg supporters go to Bloomberg. You can go to the link and click on the faces to see percentages.
Very surprising that 23% of Sanders' supporters would go to Biden.
Which is why american progressives should vote for bloomberg if sanders doesnt get the nominee.
Why is it horribly racist to seperate crime statistics by colour but perfectly fine to seperate voting stastics by colour?
Either both are racist or neither are.
Either both are racist or neither are.
The following sums up exactly why voting for sanders as the nominee is utterly stupid and effectively the equivalent of voting for Trump.
Mr Sanders wants to implement universal health care, which is obviously a worthy goal. Unlike most of the other Democratic candidates, however, he intends to do it by eliminating all private health insurance and forcing everyone onto a government plan.
That will cost the federal budget tens of trillions of dollars, which he will (partially) pay for by jacking up taxes.
I cannot imagine a policy so obviously tailor-made for a potent, election-winning Trump scare campaign.
If Mr Sanders is the Democratic nominee, the President will bombard voters with the message that 160 million of them will be kicked off their current health insurance plan. He’ll talk non-stop about the trillions of dollars in taxes heading their way.
We saw a pretty effective scare campaign from Scott Morrison in our own election last year. Multiply the scale, intensity and shamelessness of that campaign by several gazillion, and you have some idea of what we’re talking about here. It will be dirty, dishonest and devastating.
And it’s all for nothing. Because even if Mr Sanders were to somehow win the election, there is absolutely no way he would ever pass his version of Medicare for All.
Just to be clear, I’m not saying it’s unlikely. I’m saying it’s impossible.
Cast your mind back to 2010. Remember how hard it was for Barack Obama, with all his personal popularity and goodwill, and with the White House and both chambers of Congress under his party’s control, to pass the Affordable Care Act, which was much more modest than Mr Sanders’ policy.
He barely convinced his own party to support the thing, let alone the Republicans. It took some ugly backroom dealing, too many distasteful compromises, and even then it almost didn’t get through.
Mr Sanders’ plan is the dictionary definition of a pipe dream. He has welded himself to a policy that will never pass, and in the process given Mr Trump the perfect weapon to use against him. Whatever the merits of the policy, that is downright stupid politics.
Mr Sanders wants to implement universal health care, which is obviously a worthy goal. Unlike most of the other Democratic candidates, however, he intends to do it by eliminating all private health insurance and forcing everyone onto a government plan.
That will cost the federal budget tens of trillions of dollars, which he will (partially) pay for by jacking up taxes.
I cannot imagine a policy so obviously tailor-made for a potent, election-winning Trump scare campaign.
If Mr Sanders is the Democratic nominee, the President will bombard voters with the message that 160 million of them will be kicked off their current health insurance plan. He’ll talk non-stop about the trillions of dollars in taxes heading their way.
We saw a pretty effective scare campaign from Scott Morrison in our own election last year. Multiply the scale, intensity and shamelessness of that campaign by several gazillion, and you have some idea of what we’re talking about here. It will be dirty, dishonest and devastating.
And it’s all for nothing. Because even if Mr Sanders were to somehow win the election, there is absolutely no way he would ever pass his version of Medicare for All.
Just to be clear, I’m not saying it’s unlikely. I’m saying it’s impossible.
Cast your mind back to 2010. Remember how hard it was for Barack Obama, with all his personal popularity and goodwill, and with the White House and both chambers of Congress under his party’s control, to pass the Affordable Care Act, which was much more modest than Mr Sanders’ policy.
He barely convinced his own party to support the thing, let alone the Republicans. It took some ugly backroom dealing, too many distasteful compromises, and even then it almost didn’t get through.
Mr Sanders’ plan is the dictionary definition of a pipe dream. He has welded himself to a policy that will never pass, and in the process given Mr Trump the perfect weapon to use against him. Whatever the merits of the policy, that is downright stupid politics.
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Old m8 should've deleted this tweet eh.
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Also an honest question to the socialist crew here. Bernie states above "we need to come together to eradicate all forms of bigotry and violence". Do you agree with that statement? Is it time to pump the brakes on the talk of violent revolution, "first one against the wall", * boomers etc? Or are some forms of violence more equal than others?
What a misleading post. Who is talking about violent revolutions lmao
Violent revolution is the only way we can create comfortable safe spaces.
Let us not criticise people for expressing emotions please. It's misogynistic and harmful.
We want our firing squads to be diverse and inclusive.
We are aware of your mind games FK, and we will not be intimidated. In future, please try and be more woke m8.
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We know what Bolshevik Bernie and his henchmen want to do with people who have "bad thoughts".
We know what Bolshevik Bernie and his henchmen want to do with people who have "bad thoughts".
Aren't you the poster who regularly goes to UPF rallies?
It was you or one of the other alts who keep popping back up.
One of the selling points was "They even had conjugal visits in Gulags."
Sounds like a tremendous place to visit in winter.
The Scientologists use words like Suppressive Person (SP) to describe the unbelievers.
Won't be long before the Church of SJW starts putting the entire 'bad thought' population into 2 groups:
Not Woke Enough (NWE)
White Supremacist (WS)
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You know better than I do that online communities dedicated to Bernie and/or socialism contain violent rhetoric, along with the hidden camera footage from numerous officials from the Sanders campaign saying the exact same.
I know this is a both sides problem, there are alt right echo chambers brimming with hate and threats of violence. I don't want to see any shootings or terrorism etc from anyone.
I remember being told in the Trump thread that "when the revolution comes you will be having a brief conversation with uncle Kalashnikov". Such comments are always just "jokes"... until they aren't anymore.
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"Sanders is back on top of the polls, wind it up again guys, you know what to do"
One of them said I'd be the 'first up against the wall.'
I was so perturbed I had to leave the thread.
Ultimately, violence is predominately perpetuated by the far-right. There is so little left-wing violence in today's society that it doesn't seem worth talking about.
Aren't you the poster who talks about wearing steel capped boots to kick lefties on the ground or some s**t? Hard to play the victim after saying stuff like that lol
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From a Hillary 16 spokesperson espousing the need to choose whoever reaches the convention with the plurality of votes:
crooked.com
If You Can't Beat Bernie, Join Him | Crooked Media
A former Hillary Clinton campaign staffer warns Democrats not to try to deny Bernie Sanders the nomination at the convention, even if they technically can.
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