Blues 105% of the salary cap in 2020 (The Age)

[Shane Heard]

 

[damicky]

We have to be underdogs in Round 1 then

 

[La Dispute]

Well if A well run club is done for salary cap breaches now days, It wouldnt of hurt are your mob back in 2002 because of some key factors......

-If you have a very good recruiting staff, chances are they can get some good players from pick 40 onwards and with rookie picks. Just look at the Hawks and swans and Collingwood for example.

- Again, Ironic saying this, losing 1st and 2nd rounders for 2-3 years might let you chase free agents by ironically hand them big money.

If the same thing happened these days the powers that be might even put a block on free agents, which would be more significant if the team was reasonably competitive.

Most clubs would just blood whatever kids they could, recruit some decent state leaguers and find a level of comfort in knowing there’s no expectations on the squad for a few years.

 

[DangerousD]

Yes but you don’t get to run at 105% for very long. Isn’t it only a couple of year and then you need to underpay the cap to balance it out to 100% ?.

So in the future they will need to pay 95% of the cap (presumably when they are having a tilt). Unless they think they are already there.

Thats not how it works, or its not how its working in this situation.

Carlton has been underpaying the last two years, so this year in year 3 they can spend the money they have been saving and overpay. Next year will revert back to whatever % they choose, depending on how the payments are structured, it could be as low as 95% again.

There needs to be money banked up to go over, a team can just pay over the cap for two years and then pay under to balance it out.

 

[tonygeeks]

How many players are bailing on carlton again??

I don't know , isn't it the first year your doing it ?

The problem happens in 2-3 years where you have good players on unders and hoping they do the right thing and hang around for the bargain years

 

[BoundbyKreuze]

I don't know , isn't it the first year your doing it ?

The problem happens in 2-3 years where you have good players on unders and hoping they do the right thing and hang around for the bargain years

We are also allowed to do it next season. We are also paying players a higher percentage of their current deals so that 2021 (although our cap can reach 105% again) will have heaps of spar money that will need to be spent. Allows for a big contract or to continue to pay current contracts at a front loaded rate.

 

[VeinGlorious]

I think Geelong have been the best at retaining players and keeping within a salary cap. Doing well off the field as are Hawthorn.
Remember when Hawthorn almost merged with Melbourne? The Tassie deal saved them and they are now one of the richest clubs in the league.

 

[Luv_our_club]

I think Geelong have been the best at retaining players and keeping within a salary cap. Doing well off the field as are Hawthorn.
Remember when Hawthorn almost merged with Melbourne? The Tassie deal saved them and they are now one of the richest clubs in the league.

The Tassie deal began in 2007. The merger almost happened in 1996. It was the Hawks members that saved the club, not the Tassie deal.

The Hawks are not that rich. We are just profitable.

Geelong are rich.. that stadium.

 

[VeinGlorious]

The Tassie deal began in 2007. The merger almost happened in 1996. It was the Hawks members that saved the club.

Your legitimate facts have no place on Bigfooty.

It was more of a broader statement saying that the Hawks were basically in receivership, a big proud club, on the brink of extinction.

Look at them now.

 

[Luv_our_club]

Your legitimate facts have no place on Bigfooty.

It was more of a broader statement saying that the Hawks were basically in receivership, a big proud club, on the brink of extinction.

Look at them now.

yeah i felt like a bit of a snoot correcting you

 

[VeinGlorious]

yeah i felt like a bit of a snoot correcting you

I felt that too. Need any toilet paper? I know a guy.

 

[Luv_our_club]

I felt that too. Need any toilet paper? I know a guy.

Visy cardboard? no thanks

 

[VeinGlorious]

Visy cardboard? no thanks

Nah mate, quality stuff, 3 ply. Baggies of hand sanitiser as well.

 

[joop]

imagine spending 105% of the cap and still being a bottom 6 team

So your team last year...? To be fair you were bottom 3.

 

[La Dispute]

So your team last year...? To be fair you were bottom 3.

Bottom 2, to be specific.

 

[Freomaniac]

I think Geelong have been the best at retaining players and keeping within a salary cap. Doing well off the field as are Hawthorn.
Remember when Hawthorn almost merged with Melbourne? The Tassie deal saved them and they are now one of the richest clubs in the league.

Geelong are different. Geelong has a history of country boys playing there.

Constanly playing finals since 2004 helps too.

 

[schmuttt]

You're spot on, purple man.

We got whacked by the salary cap penalty (which we completely deserved) but our utter shitness for the next decade after was mostly our own doing and it was years in the making. Other teams (Adelaide, Essendon) managed to bounce back from major sanctions. We didn't for many reasons.

• We tried to hang onto the glory days - it's mid-to-late 90s...we've had a strong team with superstars like Kernahan, Bradley, Williams, SOS (four guys in our team of the century) plus guys like McKay, Kouta, Ratten (all multiple AAs). We wanted to stretch the party as long as we could. Sort of like modern-day Geelong and Hawks sides.
• We were arrogant/old-school - Still run by John Elliott, we thought we could buy success. We acted like a VFL powerhouse (that we once were) and fell behind modern-day trends of sports science, facilities, recruitment, organisational culture, off-field staffing etc.
• Approach post-sanctions - Our list was already crap when we were penalised. So it was a double whammy. We could have rebuilt from scratch or soldiered on. But following on from the previous two points, we chose the latter and tried to patch up the list. None of this ground-up rebuild BS for us. So Pagan/the club recruited a bunch of recycled players (mostly old and/or crap) to patch things up. Of course, it all came crashing down as our vets retired and we had no kids coming through.
• Our drafting SUCKED - We drafted enough kids, jut not good ones. Between 97-02, we recruited this many 100 games each year 0, 1, 1, 1, 2, 1. Then came along our 3 x 1 picks, which you couldn't stuff up. Our drafting after that got MUCH worse. Between 2009 and 2014, we had some success with rookies but we recruited ONE player in the ND that would play 100+ games for us. Not each year. O...M....F....G.....ONE ******* PLAYER ACROSS SEVEN ******* YEARS. I don't think any club has ever had a drafting patch that abominable. And that explains why Carlton was back at the bottom of the ladder again shortly afterwards.

We had no one to blame but ourselves. The club hit rock bottom in the mid-2000s and then again in the mid-2010s. It wasn't the sanctions that crippled us, it was our response.

I don't think most neutral fans realised how badly we had stuffed things up by 2015. The rebuild over the past five years has been a huge task. And really is making up for the 15-20 years of poor administration prior.

I certainly know all about poor drafting but geez that period was shocking for Carlton.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Imagine making a prelim...................

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Imagine winning 8 flags in your lifetime......……....

 

[Freomaniac]

I certainly know all about poor drafting but geez that period was shocking for Carlton.

Again.....

Compare Carltons 2002 situation to Adelaides 2012 situation....

Go ask yourself how come the crows didnt finish 3-5 year outside of finals and stuck to the bottom 4? Carlton had an Ageing list in 2002-5 hence the "tanking" era of 2005-7 of getting Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer as pick 1s. Crows had a moderately aged squad. Some old generals and some good kids coming though and some solid experienced players in their mid 20s.

Again, wise recruiting from 2005-2009, especially around 2007-2009 was good.

Some of those blokes taken around 2007-09 were aged 22-24 years old in 2012. We are talking Rory sloane, Patty Dangerfield, Jack gunston, Daniel Talia and Phil Davis.

Worse case scenario was anyone wanted out some of those blokes would of commanded a 1st round pick or an early 2nd rounder.

So keep this in mind.... Crows lost 1st and 2nd rounders in 2012 and 2013. Kept losing players and had to trade out guys like Gunston, Bock, Davis, Tippett etc and still made a grand final in 2017.

Teams like brisbane that lost 4-5 young kids in 2013, After vossy was sacked, had to push back the rebuild for another 2-3 years because of it.

 

[magpie_marty]

So Carlton are over the cap and Richmond are under.
Tigers have the best accountants no doubt.

 

[juss]

Carlton are alright, they are on the up. Its taken far too long and too many number 1 picks that didn't/haven't collectively returned enough, but they finally have some pieces in play to start the climb up the ladder now.

 

[VeinGlorious]

Imagine winning 8 flags in your lifetime......……....

 

[VeinGlorious]

Carlton are alright, they are on the up. Its taken far too long and too many number 1 picks that didn't/haven't collectively returned enough, but they finally have some pieces in play to start the climb up the ladder now.

Teague’s lost the playing group according to some “supporters”.

 

[00Stinger]

Imagine winning 8 flags in your lifetime......……....

imagine being over 50 and being on bigfooty


Actually i would rather not

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[Blue1980]

Makes sense, we would of been lucky to be making 95% in recent years.

I think that’s the real dumb thing, why is there a minimum spend?