Preview Changes vs ST KILDA. Elimination final preview (GABBA- Sat 3rd October). Happy now??

[Fossie 32]

Long term I think he's going to be just what we need. I spoke with Bevo about him a few years back and Bevo was very positive. Losing his Father may have knocked his confidence but he has the goods, good hands, great kick, big tank. He's a giant too, just needs to harden up and that will come with age. He's only 23. Just give him time.

Who do you mean?

 

[fronkalicious]

Vandermeer for Roarke. That’ll do.


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[ScragCity]

Out: Lipinski
In: Hayes

Need more mature bodies for finals footy. Lipinski is a bit soft. Hayes gives us more run.

 

[Yojimbo]

Vandermeer for Roarke. That’ll do.


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IF: Vandermeer is fit, THEN: There is a left field call that they will not make with genuine shock factor.

 

[bresker]

Brethren, when do teams get released please? Is it still night before?

 

[Dogsman16]

Saints board saying Josh Battle ruled out.

Could we go smaller in defence? Or would you just put Wood to monitor Butler.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Saints board saying Josh Battle ruled out.

Could we go smaller in defence? Or would you just put Wood to monitor Butler.

Would be a huge win. Battle has been terrific this year.

 

[Yojimbo]

Would be a huge win. Battle has been terrific this year.

Depends who they bring in in a leg speed sense, HBG.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Depends who they bring in in a leg speed sense, HBG.

I'd assume Jones will be their in. I'm not as impressed with Jones as a lot of others. Just a good average player.

 

[NBates]

Brethren, when do teams get released please? Is it still night before?

Brother, I'm assuming Thursday night, but haven't been able to confirm

 

[Yojimbo]

I'd assume Jones will be their in. I'm not as impressed with Jones as a lot of others. Just a good average player.

Yeah interesting with the return of Hannebery + Hill + Jones now fit, does present an interesting problem, easily solved though with the bench.

 

[Bontempele]

Battle confirmed out accidentaly by Brad Hill on SEN this morning. Suspect him for Jones is the only change

 

[compact72]

Saints board is painful to look at and makes it hard to barrack for them (for the rest of the finals) if they win on Saturday, however listening to Spud get behind us in 2016 makes me want St Kilda to win it for him

 

[Boof09]

Does anyone else not think we have too many defenders in the team, especially medium defenders. JJ is not a forward, they tried Crozier there, did not work, the team looks unbalanced to me on the last few games. Another natural, specialist forward is needed not the make shift ones they have been trying. It's all very well to say bloke deserve a game because he has been playing ok but what is best for the team to win? If St Kilda aren't as tall with Battle out, does that mean we need both Gardner and Cordy? Rourke Smith has been serviceable but is he in the best 22, same with Richards?

Having said all that, Beveridge normally doesn't care about a mix of defenders/forwards/mids and picks who has trained the best......

 

[Mojorisin]

Does anyone else not think we have too many defenders in the team, especially medium defenders. JJ is not a forward, they tried Crozier there, did not work, the team looks unbalanced to me on the last few games. Another natural, specialist forward is needed not the make shift ones they have been trying. It's all very well to say bloke deserve a game because he has been playing ok but what is best for the team to win? If St Kilda aren't as tall with Battle out, does that mean we need both Gardner and Cordy? Rourke Smith has been serviceable but is he in the best 22, same with Richards?

Having said all that, Beveridge normally doesn't care about a mix of defenders/forwards/mids and picks who has trained the best......

Of those I'd most prefer JJ forward. He played his best game for the year there and effects our backline the least compared to if we were to play cordy crozier or keath forward

 

[Dogsman16]

Does anyone else not think we have too many defenders in the team, especially medium defenders. JJ is not a forward, they tried Crozier there, did not work, the team looks unbalanced to me on the last few games. Another natural, specialist forward is needed not the make shift ones they have been trying. It's all very well to say bloke deserve a game because he has been playing ok but what is best for the team to win? If St Kilda aren't as tall with Battle out, does that mean we need both Gardner and Cordy? Rourke Smith has been serviceable but is he in the best 22, same with Richards?

Having said all that, Beveridge normally doesn't care about a mix of defenders/forwards/mids and picks who has trained the best......

JJ has been playing higher up the ground. Crozier is being pushed up at times too but I prefer him in defensive 50 at all times.

Wouldn't suprise me if Cordy is utilised as a swingman who will play forward occasionally and chip in to help the ruck at stoppages. No doubt Bev will be trying to keep English as fresh as possible.

 

[doggies ftw]

Gardener for Vanders pleaseeeeeeeeeee. Such a simple obvious change that makes the whole side look so much more balanced

 

[Golden_6]

Gardener for Vanders pleaseeeeeeeeeee. Such a simple obvious change that makes the whole side look so much more balanced

Will never happen. Saints will still have two athletic 200cm+ forwards in King & Marshall. Cordy to take Membrey and allow Wood to be more of an interceptor.

 

[Royale]

Saints bored is painful to look at and makes it hard to barrack for them (for the rest of the finals) if they win on Saturday, however listening to Spud get behind us in 2016 makes me want St Kilda to win it for him

Mate you're not wrong. I dont mind sainters and wish them well...except against us. They seem to carry on like we won their flag.

 

[Bodicifer]

I don’t think Richards would get dropped. If Vanders came in it would be for Lippa or R Smith

Couldn't drop Smith after last game I wouldn't think and he plays a slightly different role, but will be interesting to see and its a final so you play your best available 22.

 

[BrisDog]

Max King set to miss out on finals

Max King set to miss out on finals, Luke Thompson to miss first month of 2021

Max King will probably miss out on a finals appearance and Luke Thompson will miss the first month of the 2021 season after the pair faced the NRL judiciary panel on Tuesday night.

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You campaigner!

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

If Vandermeer is fit (and I mean, 100% fit and ready to play - not convinced he would be, he's been out a while), he simply has to play. He changes the entire dynamic of our side for the better.

As far as I see it, we have four options for who would go out - three of them distinct possibilities, one of them exceptionally risky and unlikely.

1. Roarke Smith out. In terms of demonstrated ability/performance, this is the logical change. He was solid last game though, so would be a bit unlucky. Seems well regarded by the coaches as well. I don't quite get it, to be completely honest, but it's not hard to see him staying in, and there is somewhat of an argument that he should.

2. Lipinski out. Not gonna lie, Lippy's defence and contested work in a final scares the s**t out of me. His likely opponents are some variety of Hill/Coffield/Clark, all of whom are players that need some sort of defence. On the flip side, though, his work as a linkman is fantastic and does deliver the ball very nicely - something which will be very important.

3. Richards out. Richards is a bit of a master of struggling to get involved, and then doing enough in a 10-15 minute purple patch to guarantee selection. He's the most balanced and accomplished player of the lot here, though, so he should stay in - but it's a possibility Vandermeer is preferred.

And now for the super high risk, almost a certainty not to happen and probably shouldn't option: 4. Croz out. Hear me out - we're playing far too many defenders right now. JJ forward is looking like a good move, but we are still playing Keath, Gardner, Cordy, Wood, Williams, Croz, Daniel, and Duryea. That's eight players who don't really excel in other roles. This has led to Croz going forward, where he has been mediocre and hasn't really offered much. He's easily the best player of the four covered above, but in the role he's playing at the moment he's arguably the least impactful. Moving out a defender for a speedy wing/half forward might actually make the biggest positive impact on our overall ability as a team, despite him being an extremely good player...

Anyway, #1 is my preferred option in a landslide, followed by #2. That said, I just can't help but be intrigued by option #4 even though I know it won't and probably shouldn't happen. I do think, moving forward, the structure of our backline is something we need to heavily consider with Wood signing on for another two years. I'm not convinced that group of eight is the right one.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

If Vandermeer is fit (and I mean, 100% fit and ready to play - not convinced he would be, he's been out a while), he simply has to play. He changes the entire dynamic of our side for the better.

As far as I see it, we have four options for who would go out - three of them distinct possibilities, one of them exceptionally risky and unlikely.

1. Roarke Smith out. In terms of demonstrated ability/performance, this is the logical change. He was solid last game though, so would be a bit unlucky. Seems well regarded by the coaches as well. I don't quite get it, to be completely honest, but it's not hard to see him staying in, and there is somewhat of an argument that he should.

2. Lipinski out. Not gonna lie, Lippy's defence and contested work in a final scares the sh*t out of me. His likely opponents are some variety of Hill/Coffield/Clark, all of whom are players that need some sort of defence. On the flip side, though, his work as a linkman is fantastic and does deliver the ball very nicely - something which will be very important.

3. Richards out. Richards is a bit of a master of struggling to get involved, and then doing enough in a 10-15 minute purple patch to guarantee selection. He's the most balanced and accomplished player of the lot here, though, so he should stay in - but it's a possibility Vandermeer is preferred.

And now for the super high risk, almost a certainty not to happen and probably shouldn't option: 4. Croz out. Hear me out - we're playing far too many defenders right now. JJ forward is looking like a good move, but we are still playing Keath, Gardner, Cordy, Wood, Williams, Croz, Daniel, and Duryea. That's eight players who don't really excel in other roles. This has led to Croz going forward, where he has been mediocre and hasn't really offered much. He's easily the best player of the four covered above, but in the role he's playing at the moment he's arguably the least impactful. Moving out a defender for a speedy wing/half forward might actually make the biggest positive impact on our overall ability as a team, despite him being an extremely good player...

Anyway, #1 is my preferred option in a landslide, followed by #2. That said, I just can't help but be intrigued by option #4 even though I know it won't and probably shouldn't happen. I do think, moving forward, the structure of our backline is something we need to heavily consider with Wood signing on for another two years. I'm not convinced that group of eight is the right one.

In no world is dropping Crozier an option. Absolutely none. If you're running with the above theory, Duryea goes before Croz.

 

[doggies ftw]

After Keath and Daniel, Croz is easily next picked in that backline and I’d move Daniel up the ground before dropping Croz. He’d be just about too 5 first picked players. Agree with the overall idea the backline structure is off but he is not going anywhere

 

[BEaston]

If Vandermeer is fit (and I mean, 100% fit and ready to play - not convinced he would be, he's been out a while), he simply has to play. He changes the entire dynamic of our side for the better.

As far as I see it, we have four options for who would go out - three of them distinct possibilities, one of them exceptionally risky and unlikely.

1. Roarke Smith out. In terms of demonstrated ability/performance, this is the logical change. He was solid last game though, so would be a bit unlucky. Seems well regarded by the coaches as well. I don't quite get it, to be completely honest, but it's not hard to see him staying in, and there is somewhat of an argument that he should.

2. Lipinski out. Not gonna lie, Lippy's defence and contested work in a final scares the sh*t out of me. His likely opponents are some variety of Hill/Coffield/Clark, all of whom are players that need some sort of defence. On the flip side, though, his work as a linkman is fantastic and does deliver the ball very nicely - something which will be very important.

3. Richards out. Richards is a bit of a master of struggling to get involved, and then doing enough in a 10-15 minute purple patch to guarantee selection. He's the most balanced and accomplished player of the lot here, though, so he should stay in - but it's a possibility Vandermeer is preferred.

And now for the super high risk, almost a certainty not to happen and probably shouldn't option: 4. Croz out. Hear me out - we're playing far too many defenders right now. JJ forward is looking like a good move, but we are still playing Keath, Gardner, Cordy, Wood, Williams, Croz, Daniel, and Duryea. That's eight players who don't really excel in other roles. This has led to Croz going forward, where he has been mediocre and hasn't really offered much. He's easily the best player of the four covered above, but in the role he's playing at the moment he's arguably the least impactful. Moving out a defender for a speedy wing/half forward might actually make the biggest positive impact on our overall ability as a team, despite him being an extremely good player...

Anyway, #1 is my preferred option in a landslide, followed by #2. That said, I just can't help but be intrigued by option #4 even though I know it won't and probably shouldn't happen. I do think, moving forward, the structure of our backline is something we need to heavily consider with Wood signing on for another two years. I'm not convinced that group of eight is the right one.

We'd be better off dropping Cordy, Gardiner, or even Wood. Crozier has outperformed all of those guys.
Another option would be to move Cordy forward leaving a 7 man defensive rotation of Keath, Gardner, Wood, Williams, Croz, Daniel, Doc.

I think Richards out is my preference.

I agree that Wood shouldn't have been given 2 years. Croz should be playing his intercept role of yesteryears and Cordy can play his lock down role of recent times.