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List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread - Part 2
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- May 3, 2007
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Our future 3rd would be worth pick 36-54
Freos future 2nd is worth pick 19-36.
I don't think the suns will trade our future 2nd rounder for pick 32 and their future 4th, unless they know they will get an extra 2021 2nd or 3rd rounder somewhere
Freo traded out their future 2021 4th rounder to the crows for their pick 56 and 63 because the crows are going to use their picks as they already have picks 1, 9, 22, 23 and 40.
Crows only did that deal to get some 2021 points.
I’ll be stoked if we can get in to next years draft without taking a picks deficit from this years NGA picks and use our first three picks. Over the last few years we have been playing catch up as we have continually needed to trade away some future picks. I can handle trading away the 4th round next year, especially knowing that we may not even use it due to list sizes etc.
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I would give Cedric Cox a shot on the rookie list To be honestEAGLES PONDER LATE DRAFT LIFELINES
West Coast is considering handing Cedric Cox and Alec Waterman AFL lifelines at the upcoming drafts.
Cox was one of several Brisbane players delisted in late November — one month after he requested a trade back home to Western Australia for family reasons after playing just five AFL games in four seasons.
Cedric Cox was drafted by the Lions in 2016. Picture: Tony McDonoughSource: AAP![[PLAYERCARD]Cedric Cox[/PLAYERCARD] was drafted by the Lions in 2016. Picture: Tony McDonough](/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.newsapi.com.au%2Fimage%2Fv1%2F7ef3036a52191b120c861d693faba9cf&hash=280e2c852ad599b79fc6d8b7ddaf1812 "[PLAYERCARD]Cedric Cox[/PLAYERCARD] was drafted by the Lions in 2016. Picture: Tony McDonough")
While the club announced it was committed to picking up fellow delistings Grant Birchall, Connor Ballenden and Rhys Mathieson as rookies, Cox was simply cut from the list, along with Mitch Hinge who days later joined Adelaide as a delisted free agent.
But 7 News Perth journalist Ryan Daniels on Friday night reported Cox remained “in the mix” for a rookie spot at the Eagles.
“No guarantees with list squeeze, but more likely than unlikely at this stage,” Daniels wrote on Twitter.
Several clubs, including WA-based Fremantle, have been keeping an eye this season on Waterman, who’s considered the best mature-age state league prospect.
A second crack at an AFL career looms for Waterman, the son of dual premiership Eagle Chris Waterman, spent two seasons on West Coast’s list, after his first stint with the Eagles was ruined by illness.
Alec Waterman had an awesome WAFL season for Claremont. Picture: Paul KaneSource: Getty Images
But after an outstanding 2020 WAFL campaign, which saw him kick 26.13 from 10 games, lead the league for average score involvements (6.1) and win Claremont’s best and fairest award, The Age reported West Coast could “take another punt” on Waterman.
West Coast’s first national draft selection is Pick 62. Should Waterman or Cox be overlooked at that selection, the Eagles could draft either of them as rookies via Thursday’s rookie draft or the pre-season supplemental selection period.
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Pick 27 is already gone to Geelong so mute point.
We will prob now run the gauntlet with 32 and if a bid on Walker comes before that pick instigate a trade with someone to get us more points. Gives someone the opportunity to trade up. Also worth doing this after the first 25 picks where there could be as many as 5-6 bids being matched with a heap of picks after pick 32 but before pick 55.
For eg. If our pick 32 slides to 37 and a bid comes at 35, we could trade 37 for picks 42 and 50.
Or we could package up 37 and a future 3rd to swap for 39, 41 & future 4th.
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Again, this is where it will get interesting with our KPF stocks. Back around 2012-15 when Freo made finals, Freos KPF was an ageing Pavlich, Kepler Bradley who sadly did his knee and retired, Michael Apeness who was a promising young ruck KPF but sadly like Bradley has knee problems too and a slowly developing Matt Taberner.
Yet somehow during our 2016-18 rebuilding period, we got both cam McCarthy and Shane Kersten who were not KPF guys but 2nd talls and Cox who is a CHF CHB Swingman all in that 2016 draft and trade period.
Then in that 2018 trade period, we got KPF ruck in Rory Lobb and KPF on Jesse Hogan.
So we went from just having an ageing pav to all of a sudden 4-5 blokes that were tall forwards.
As it stands, only 2 guys on our whole list can play in that FF role : Lobb and Taberner. Both are 27 years old and both have 3-4 years of solid footy left before declining and retiring altogether.
Cox is only 22 or 23. But he isn't going to be the Messiah. He can be a 30-35 goal a season CHF.
I don't think our KPF stocks are that dire compared to 2013-15.
But a call has to be made. One of 2 options.....
Option 1: take a chance of getting a a mature ager 20-24 year old KPF in this draft or get a Taberner KPF or Lobb KPF ruck type that's 18 or 19 years old and slowly develop him.
Option 2: wait for the 2021 draft. Keep this mind, if Freo somehow make finals in 2021, even if it's 7th or 8th spot, that 1st rounder will be pick 11 or 12 but that pick will be pushed back 4-6 picks to pick 15-20 due to free agent compo picks and NG academy picks. Or possibly use a late pick or rookie pick on a project player
Again, I dont know what can happen in 12 months.
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I think if our previous experience has taught us anything it is that if, as you say, Lobb and Taberner have 3-4 years left then the time to pick and develop replacements is the next 3 drafts.
The second thing I think our experience over recent years should teach us is that we can't pick 1 or maybe even 2 guys over that period and consider the job done. It probably needs to be 2-3 especially if it is the more project type we are going for.
The final thing we should have learned is we probably can't trade our way out of it.
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Cal Twomey has us taking Brayden Cook with our first pick. Would we be happy to get him instead of Chapman?
Also interesting that he has Logan McDonald sliding to Hawthorn at pick 5.
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Also interesting that he has Logan McDonald sliding to Hawthorn at pick 5.
Cal Twomey's 2020 Phantom Draft: Top 30, late picks, your club's whispers
Who will your club take in this year's NAB AFL Draft? Our guru makes the call
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Cal Twomey has us taking Brayden Cook with our first pick. Would we be happy to get him instead of Chapman?
Also interesting that he has Logan McDonald sliding to Hawthorn at pick 5.
Cal Twomey's 2020 Phantom Draft: Top 30, late picks, your club's whispers
Who will your club take in this year's NAB AFL Draft? Our guru makes the call
I’ll be happy with whoever we select. Cook looks great but so do about 12 others that could be selected by us at that pick.
I’ve got to say, I’m still struggling to understand why O’Driscoll isn’t rated higher by Twomey. Does he have a touch of the Deven Robertson’s about him??? Or did he bag DMA’s on social media or something?
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Our recruiting teams drafting over the last few years has been decent enough that I'm happy to back whoever they grab.
Like option one.
Getting the next Riccardi or Mihocek should be the aim.
Option two of drafting is fine if we are not reaching too much.
Option three is trade for a tall from a rebuilding team like Brown.
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Well this is my opinion. And to be honest, I am going to be a it Biased here too. I have not heard too much of chapman so I cant comment on him.Cal Twomey has us taking Brayden Cook with our first pick. Would we be happy to get him instead of Chapman?
Also interesting that he has Logan McDonald sliding to Hawthorn at pick 5.
Cal Twomey's 2020 Phantom Draft: Top 30, late picks, your club's whispers
Who will your club take in this year's NAB AFL Draft? Our guru makes the call
I have seen Brayden Cook play. I dont think he will be a star, But I wont think he will be a Dud either. Again, he has grown from 180 cm to 188 cm in the last 12 months.
He looks good at some of the Highlights on youtube.
I am possibly going to get bagged out on this. If We we get Brayden Cook, think he will be like a Sheridan, Crozier or Cam Sutcliffe type. Not a guy you revolve your team around. But a solid 15-20 disposal a game player that plays on a forward Flank, wing or back flank.
Found Twomey’s comments around Adelaide looking to trade one of their early seconds for some future draft picks.
I wonder if a player we rate highly is still available at their pick 23 (pushed back to 27/28) where we could offer a trade like;
32 (pushed back to ~37) & future 3rd > 23 (~28) & our own future 4th. if they aren’t going to use pick 40 (pushed back ~44) then we could ask for that instead of future 4th.
I wonder if a player we rate highly is still available at their pick 23 (pushed back to 27/28) where we could offer a trade like;
32 (pushed back to ~37) & future 3rd > 23 (~28) & our own future 4th. if they aren’t going to use pick 40 (pushed back ~44) then we could ask for that instead of future 4th.
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Well if you want to be Technical. Yeah Malcolm blight counts. He is one Premeirship coach that played forward as a player.
Was CHB in Norths 1975 win.
Up forward, Malcolm blight did play on a forward Flank and CHF.
I can also name 2 more. Both played in Carltons 1970 Flag side as KPFs. Robert Walls was CHF in that 1970 grand final and coached Carlton to a flag in 1987. Alex Jesaulenko played in that 1970 GF as FF. He won a flag with Carlton in 1979 as a captain-coach.
I am sure there are others.
John Coleman coached 2 essendon flags in 1962 and 1965 and he was a Full forward in his playing days.
Does Leigh Matthews count? 900 odd goals in 332 games as a forward and coached collingwood to a flag in 1990 and Brisbane to flags in 2001-3.
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Matthews was a champion but never a KPF, even in the 80s. Walls was a legit CHF but an ordinary coach (Rhys-Jones playing out of his skin on Brereton won the GF). Jezza just played anywhere.
Those 15 - 20 with a couple of goals would be handy!
I appreciate your thoughts and I’m sort of the same about Carroll and O’Driscoll tbh. Very good honest players and in the case of O’Driscoll a long term foot soldier/servant, but should we be expecting more than that at pick 15? That used to be the end of round 1!
I guess if a genuine top end talent falls through to us then we get lucky but otherwise I think we need to be happy with a handy player rather than a star???
Malcolm played at FF a fair bit too.
Walls was a dud of a coach and is massively overrated imo. Very lucky to get the success that he got.
Matthews was a mid.
Cal Twomey has us taking Brayden Cook with our first pick. Would we be happy to get him instead of Chapman?
Also interesting that he has Logan McDonald sliding to Hawthorn at pick 5.
Cal Twomey's 2020 Phantom Draft: Top 30, late picks, your club's whispers
Who will your club take in this year's NAB AFL Draft? Our guru makes the call
If the Hawks get McDonald with pick 5, In the words of Terry Wallace “I’ll spew up!”
Chapman looks better than Cook from the clips I have seen but we have such depth in the backline our forward line is our weakness. Unless Chapman can play forward but that’s against JLo’s mantra of playing players in their preferred positions
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Yeah I think that's a dumb mantra personally. A guideline, sure. A bit like Ye olde "best available".
Quite a few 18 year olds are pretty new to being "talls", and I seem to recall Chapman is one of those. He may have all sorts of capabilities, as Fyfe and Mundy did.
Yep
In the week after last year's grand final Dockers football operations manager Chris Bond and recruiting boss Brad Lloyd met Gold Coast's Scott Clayton and Dom Ambrogio in Melbourne.
The Suns agreed to pre-list Mzungu under the AFL's concessions for the new club, and then trade him to Fremantle for pick No.39 in the national draft. Gold Coast used that for young defender Jeremy Taylor, who is yet to make his debut.
Rivals for Mzungu headed off at pass
Fremantle were sitting on what they considered another rookie list diamond until Tendai Mzungu's blistering WAFL form last year forced them to enlist Gold Coast as unlikely partners in recruiting him.
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Fair enough, I was wr.. wrrrrooo... wrrroooonnn...Yep
In the week after last year's grand final Dockers football operations manager Chris Bond and recruiting boss Brad Lloyd met Gold Coast's Scott Clayton and Dom Ambrogio in Melbourne.
The Suns agreed to pre-list Mzungu under the AFL's concessions for the new club, and then trade him to Fremantle for pick No.39 in the national draft. Gold Coast used that for young defender Jeremy Taylor, who is yet to make his debut.
Rivals for Mzungu headed off at pass
Fremantle were sitting on what they considered another rookie list diamond until Tendai Mzungu's blistering WAFL form last year forced them to enlist Gold Coast as unlikely partners in recruiting him.
Sorry, you were right.
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In the week after last year's grand final Dockers football operations manager Chris Bond and recruiting boss Brad Lloyd met Gold Coast's Scott Clayton and Dom Ambrogio in Melbourne.
The Suns agreed to pre-list Mzungu under the AFL's concessions for the new club, and then trade him to Fremantle for pick No.39 in the national draft. Gold Coast used that for young defender Jeremy Taylor, who is yet to make his debut.
Rivals for Mzungu headed off at pass
Fremantle were sitting on what they considered another rookie list diamond until Tendai Mzungu's blistering WAFL form last year forced them to enlist Gold Coast as unlikely partners in recruiting him.
We gave them #39, they gave us Mzungu and #44.
